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Post by iglugluk on Feb 18, 2014 14:06:56 GMT
Absolutely. Its character building if nothing else. Chin up Johnno...at least you will get to see a team 'take it to them' now  Going fishing by any chance?  |
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Post by mcf on Feb 18, 2014 14:07:28 GMT
The Pulis hate has deluded you. Even with the facts firmly in your lap you still can't accept it. You may have hated but it still picked up points and if you think 'die trying' would really have yielded us only 6 points then the tactics really and truly must be fucking wank. Still, at least your lad can watch the 2nd half on TV why you drink in the concourse |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 18, 2014 14:12:19 GMT
The Pulis hate has deluded you. Even with the facts firmly in your lap you still can't accept it. You may have hated but it still picked up points and if you think 'die trying' would really have yielded us only 6 points then the tactics really and truly must be fucking wank. Still, at least your lad can watch the 2nd half on TV why you drink in the concourse The season hasn't finished yet. We are playing better away from home than we did at any point last season even if we haven't picked up the points we may well have merited. Let's see what the point accruals are come the end of the season. Didn't we only win 2 away games last season including our regular 3 points v WBA who we still have to play? |
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Post by mcf on Feb 18, 2014 14:14:52 GMT
well, unless he goes long ball and defends properly then don't hold your breath.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 18, 2014 14:21:00 GMT
well, unless he goes long ball and defends properly then don't hold your breath. We went long ball v Swansea and promptly turned in our worst home performance of the season. I would prefer we mix it up myself, as we have tried to do for the most part. |
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Post by mcf on Feb 18, 2014 14:23:16 GMT
No we didn't.
We haven't really mixed it up either.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 18, 2014 14:24:31 GMT
I'm looking forward to Saturday, be a good day out and hopefully a good crack
Stoke have fuck all to lose there, absolutely fuck all - they are a great team, however sandwiched between two games v Barcelona (and an away trip next Weds to the Nou Camp), and on the back of a game v Chelsea that they put a lot of effort into, it could be a good time to go there.
I'd settle now for us having a go and losing 4-2 than the turgid 3-0 surrender of recent times when Tone really did class it as a 'bonus' game, not even bothering!
I was (and still am) a TP fan, but going to top clubs always annoyed the shit out of me!
The positive vibes even though we lost at Man Utd last year (4-2) and this (3-2) are a world away from setting up for a 0-0 draw after 4 minutes at Anfield/CoM/WHL and hoping we can score from our only shot - strangely we seem comfortable having a go at Arsenal!
Just hope Hughsey has the bollocks to go there and play a strong attacking team
Bego
GCam Shawx Erik Muniesa
PO Adam Nzonzi Arnie/Assaidi
Walters Crouch
(he wont drop JW, but I am OK with that if up front sitting a bit deeper behind Crouchie)
I would also be OK with JW on the bench and Arnie playing off Crouch
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 18, 2014 14:25:00 GMT
(Wilson is gash and should be dropped imo)
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Post by mcf on Feb 18, 2014 14:28:24 GMT
Robo
We were fucking hopeless at Arsenal...our defending was fucking wank.
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 18, 2014 14:32:11 GMT
Defending yes mate, but at least we created chances (in between our appalling ball retention)
We are fairly unpredicatble away tbh at the min, awful at Palace, pretty good at Sunderland (for 60 mins, still lost though), awful at Chelsea, decent at Saints
Even Xmas we were super for 40 mins against Castle (grr), then pig awful at Spurs.
One thing is for certain, if we dont turn up on Sat, we could get a right hiding - much better teams than us have been tatered there this season!
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Post by mcf on Feb 18, 2014 14:35:50 GMT
It doesn't matter if you create chances if you can't keep the fucking ball out of your own net at these places.
The only hope is that we defend a lot more like we did against Southampton (or The Shit at home) or we won't pick up enough away points.
(Losing at Scumderland was typical of our negligent approach to keeping the ball out of the net)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 14:39:14 GMT
(Wilson is gash and should be dropped imo) And Walters?? You've got him in your starting XI. He takes 'gash' to another stratosphere. I'd go Crouch and PO up top, if both available. We may as well have a go. |
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 18, 2014 15:06:26 GMT
I know CBL - but Hughes wont drop him.
If I was picking the side for Saturday
Bego
GCam Shawx Pieters Muniesa
Arnie Adam Whelan Assaidi
PO Crouch
And give them something to think about - Kompany doesnt look right yet and seems slow and a walking red card put under pressure
The rest of the defence isnt that great (bar Zabaletta - I like him a lot!)
Guess it will depend if City rest a few for the CL games and play a (I darent say weakened as its still much better than ours!) lesser side
Defence - Clichy, Kolarov, Lescott, Zabaleta (keep Kompany safe for Barca)
Midfield - Milner, Garcia, Nasri, Navas (keeping Silva, Toure for Barca?)
Forwards - Dzeko, Jovetic (keeping Negredo for Barca - presuming Aguero is still injured)
That still leaves them with options of Demechelis, Nastasic, Richards, Boyata, Rodwell etc as well - a squad of riches.
Just dont think he will play all of the big guns against us, so a glimmer of light!
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Post by werrington on Feb 18, 2014 17:37:22 GMT
stokecity_joshw: Over 1,100 sold for Saturday so far. Tickets available from the ticket office until Friday then on the day at the ground. #StokeCity
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 18, 2014 19:20:38 GMT
Defending yes mate, but at least we created chances (in between our appalling ball retention) We are fairly unpredicatble away tbh at the min, awful at Palace, pretty good at Sunderland (for 60 mins, still lost though), awful at Chelsea, decent at Saints Even Xmas we were super for 40 mins against Castle (grr), then pig awful at Spurs. One thing is for certain, if we dont turn up on Sat, we could get a right hiding - much better teams than us have been tatered there this season! True we looked poor at Arsenal, but we did have more possession than them, if i remember correctly, which was highly unusual. So our ball retention wasn't that bad. Didn't make any difference to the result though, let's face it.....pity that!! |
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 19, 2014 0:18:55 GMT
Defending yes mate, but at least we created chances (in between our appalling ball retention) We are fairly unpredicatble away tbh at the min, awful at Palace, pretty good at Sunderland (for 60 mins, still lost though), awful at Chelsea, decent at Saints Even Xmas we were super for 40 mins against Castle (grr), then pig awful at Spurs. One thing is for certain, if we dont turn up on Sat, we could get a right hiding - much better teams than us have been tatered there this season! True we looked poor at Arsenal, but we did have more possession than them, if i remember correctly, which was highly unusual. So our ball retention wasn't that bad. Didn't make any difference to the result though, let's face it.....pity that!! I don't think we were that bad at Arsenal. Surely it was probably our best performance there so far?
We had more possession, scored, and were in the game until well into the second half.
Remind me when we've done better there.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 19, 2014 10:00:12 GMT
And at least one genius blames Pulis, (not mentioning any names). Either way our support is crap. 1700 for a trip to Man City in a game that we can't and won't win is far from shit. 1,700 would be good for a League 1 game but, for a Premiership club travelling 30 odd miles it's sh@t no matter how you look at it. Besides which, according to Werrington as of yesterday we'd only sold 1,100. |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 19, 2014 10:03:19 GMT
And at least one genius blames Pulis, (not mentioning any names). Either way our support is crap. It's no fucking coincidence that our away support fell away while Pulis was in charge and his attitude to certain away games. You can try and re-write history if you want, but it's a lot harder getting supporters back once they have gone. Our away support is shite in the main, and has been for 3 years. H I'd say it's more to do with the novelty of the Premiership wearing off but, you will continue to blame Pulis for everything negative for years to come. |
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Post by RAF on Feb 19, 2014 10:31:39 GMT
It's no fucking coincidence that our away support fell away while Pulis was in charge and his attitude to certain away games. You can try and re-write history if you want, but it's a lot harder getting supporters back once they have gone. Our away support is shite in the main, and has been for 3 years. H I'd say it's more to do with the novelty of the Premiership wearing off but, you will continue to blame Pulis for everything negative for years to come. Well of course you would. That way you can still pray at the altar of your hero pretending he was faultless. I know you are hurting but he's gone, have another cry then get over it. H |
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 19, 2014 10:44:01 GMT
It's no fucking coincidence that our away support fell away while Pulis was in charge and his attitude to certain away games. You can try and re-write history if you want, but it's a lot harder getting supporters back once they have gone. Our away support is shite in the main, and has been for 3 years. H I'd say it's more to do with the novelty of the Premiership wearing off but, you will continue to blame Pulis for everything negative for years to come. You don't think that the utter negative football of the past few seasons away from home has put people off going to away matches at all? People have lost the habit of going to away matches because quite frankly it wasn't fun. A lot of people are reluctant to spend a shit load of money on something which hasn't been fun. |
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Post by mcf on Feb 19, 2014 10:46:50 GMT
I used to like going under Pulis when you had more of a chance of getting something out of a game.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 19, 2014 10:49:09 GMT
That's the sh*t people spouted last season, Pulis has gone now and, they've got the great, new, attacking style of football they wanted, (still not getting points though), and with free travel why hasn't the support increased?
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Post by mcf on Feb 19, 2014 10:54:46 GMT
....because the average fan isn't a Pulis Hating Spunk Monkey - most fans want to see us pick up points.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 19, 2014 10:56:20 GMT
That's the sh*t people spouted last season, Pulis has gone now and, they've got the great, new, attacking style of football they wanted, (still not getting points though), and with free travel why hasn't the support increased? You think it's as easy as that? People lose the habit. They do other things. Once you stop going to away matches you start to look at the costs differently. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 19, 2014 10:57:01 GMT
....because the average fan isn't a Pulis Hating Spunk Monkey - most fans want to see us pick up points. But have a modicum of entertainment. That's why he left. |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 19, 2014 11:02:34 GMT
That's the sh*t people spouted last season, Pulis has gone now and, they've got the great, new, attacking style of football they wanted, (still not getting points though), and with free travel why hasn't the support increased? You think it's as easy as that? People lose the habit. They do other things. Once you stop going to away matches you start to look at the costs differently. Shopping with your Mrs.? |
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Post by ladyinred on Feb 19, 2014 11:06:49 GMT
My memories of The Etihad (I have been to all our previous matches there) - are all negative - except for the FA cup game.
Standing in that awful lower tier, with the Cretin's to the right of us, rubbing in just how useless we were 'Let's pretend you had a shot' etc - IS NOT FUN.
I like some banter - but there are not enough Stokies there to return any banter.
'Is that all you take away?' 'Your Support is F***ing S**T' etc - it is soul destroying, because they are correct.
The joy of away matches is - going en-masse, we don't have that any more.
In the past - even when we were not playing well away from home, the atmosphere was enough to make it still a good day out, all that has gone.
Since promotion to the Prem the cost of away matches has increased and the probability of victory has decreased, this has lead to a decrease in the following, and hence the enjoyment and hence futher decreases in following.
I feel that this season we are having 'more of a go' than in previous seasons - and I have had some enjoyable away matches this season - But I am not going to the Etihad on saturday - Why? because the New Years Day game last season was an utterly, utterly miserable experience - added to the previous visits to that blue plastic hell - I vowed that I would not be going again for quite a while.
You know what though? If we had 3000 tickets and had already sold 2500 - I would probably change my mind and go, because us Stokies would be standing proud together, giving the Mancs some banter, even though we are getting beaten.
How many more fans are like me? Put off going because the following is so poor?
The only way the following will be better is if all us fans that feel that way actually go - but no one will until the followings improve.
We are stuck in a cycle - and I don't see how it can be rectified.
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Post by mcf on Feb 19, 2014 11:08:07 GMT
....because the average fan isn't a Pulis Hating Spunk Monkey - most fans want to see us pick up points. But have a modicum of entertainment. That's why he left. That is why they are now rushing back on free transport. The club did everything they could to help get Hughes the support that he needed but results count. |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 19, 2014 11:16:09 GMT
My memories of The Etihad (I have been to all our previous matches there) - are all negative - except for the FA cup game. Standing in that awful lower tier, with the Cretin's to the right of us, rubbing in just how useless we were 'Let's pretend you had a shot' etc - IS NOT FUN. I like some banter - but there are not enough Stokies there to return any banter. 'Is that all you take away?' 'Your Support is F***ing S**T' etc - it is soul destroying, because they are correct. The joy of away matches is - going en-masse, we don't have that any more. In the past - even when we were not playing well away from home, the atmosphere was enough to make it still a good day out, all that has gone. Since promotion to the Prem the cost of away matches has increased and the probability of victory has decreased, this has lead to a decrease in the following, and hence the enjoyment and hence futher decreases in following. I feel that this season we are having 'more of a go' than in previous seasons - and I have had some enjoyable away matches this season - But I am not going to the Etihad on saturday - Why? because the New Years Day game last season was an utterly, utterly miserable experience - added to the previous visits to that blue plastic hell - I vowed that I would not be going again for quite a while. You know what though? If we had 3000 tickets and had already sold 2500 - I would probably change my mind and go, because us Stokies would be standing proud together, giving the Mancs some banter, even though we are getting beaten. How many more fans are like me? Put off going because the following is so poor? The only way the following will be better is if all us fans that feel that way actually go - but no one will until the followings improve. We are stuck in a cycle - and I don't see how it can be rectified. But you're part of the reason the following is so poor. Get yourself down the ticket office. |
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Post by mcf on Feb 19, 2014 11:25:21 GMT
My memories of The Etihad (I have been to all our previous matches there) - are all negative - except for the FA cup game. Standing in that awful lower tier, with the Cretin's to the right of us, rubbing in just how useless we were 'Let's pretend you had a shot' etc - IS NOT FUN. I like some banter - but there are not enough Stokies there to return any banter. 'Is that all you take away?' 'Your Support is F***ing S**T' etc - it is soul destroying, because they are correct. The joy of away matches is - going en-masse, we don't have that any more. In the past - even when we were not playing well away from home, the atmosphere was enough to make it still a good day out, all that has gone. Since promotion to the Prem the cost of away matches has increased and the probability of victory has decreased, this has lead to a decrease in the following, and hence the enjoyment and hence futher decreases in following. I feel that this season we are having 'more of a go' than in previous seasons - and I have had some enjoyable away matches this season - But I am not going to the Etihad on saturday - Why? because the New Years Day game last season was an utterly, utterly miserable experience - added to the previous visits to that blue plastic hell - I vowed that I would not be going again for quite a while. You know what though? If we had 3000 tickets and had already sold 2500 - I would probably change my mind and go, because us Stokies would be standing proud together, giving the Mancs some banter, even though we are getting beaten. How many more fans are like me? Put off going because the following is so poor? The only way the following will be better is if all us fans that feel that way actually go - but no one will until the followings improve. We are stuck in a cycle - and I don't see how it can be rectified. There were a number of empty seats at Newcastle and as well as we started the game - it turned pretty miserable. For me though, and my lads, the small group of Stokies at the back made it an absolute pisser - the only bit I didn't like like from them was when they said we were shit - which we are not - we were fucked over. Now, I understand that this may not be everyone's cup of tea but I've always lived by these rules...expect at home, expect nothing away. Denying a home team a win is enough for me. If that makes be a cowardly spunk monkey then I will live with it. If you are getting a tonking somewhere then you just have to suck it up. It's easy for me to say though as I barely go away these days....watching the streams is too easy. The odds are massively stacked against all teams at our level that travel away so the only way it will be rectified is if people get a sense of perspective about what we need to do our on travels which is essentially try and pick up at least 15 points. |
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