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Post by agingerstokie on Jan 29, 2014 0:50:07 GMT
Will we see the end of "get such and such in he couldn't do any worse" comments in regard to Hughes?
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Post by Gods on Jan 29, 2014 1:04:25 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack.
If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 1:14:14 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. You'll be asking for a statue next =)
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Post by salopstick on Jan 29, 2014 1:19:45 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. Only because of the previous two seasons
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Post by craig67 on Jan 29, 2014 2:50:08 GMT
Will we see the end of "get such and such in he couldn't do any worse" comments in regard to Hughes? So Palace have 6 wins in 12-we have 3 in 18?
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 29, 2014 3:03:12 GMT
Will we see the end of "get such and such in he couldn't do any worse" comments in regard to Hughes? So Palace have 6 wins in 12-we have 3 in 18? But we're in transition! (Despondent smiling emoticon thingy)
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Post by craig67 on Jan 29, 2014 3:06:25 GMT
So Palace have 6 wins in 12-we have 3 in 18? But we're in transition! (Despondent smiling emoticon thingy) Transition into a Championship team-if we don't get our act together! 3 points tonight will help tremendously.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 29, 2014 3:26:51 GMT
But we're in transition! (Despondent smiling emoticon thingy) Transition into a Championship team-if we don't get our act together! 3 points tonight will help tremendously. Will it fookin ever Craigo, essential, crucial, another clever word for: WIN THIS FRIGGIN MATCH LADS!! I think we're all peeved because Hughes jacked the cup in intentionally, we are better than Sunday, I know we are...
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Post by craig67 on Jan 29, 2014 3:54:20 GMT
Transition into a Championship team-if we don't get our act together! 3 points tonight will help tremendously. Will it fookin ever Craigo, essential, crucial, another clever word for: WIN THIS FRIGGIN MATCH LADS!! I think we're all peeved because Hughes jacked the cup in intentionally, we are better than Sunday, I know we are... I hope we are better than Sunday. I think we will beat Sunderland-then onwards.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 29, 2014 4:31:30 GMT
Will it fookin ever Craigo, essential, crucial, another clever word for: WIN THIS FRIGGIN MATCH LADS!! I think we're all peeved because Hughes jacked the cup in intentionally, we are better than Sunday, I know we are... I hope we are better than Sunday. I think we will beat Sunderland-then onwards. Charlie plays we are sound, Cmon City, make us fucking proud of you.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 29, 2014 7:20:28 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. The previous incumbant would have had 8 years and the best part of 100m to produce that shit whereas the current incumbant has had 10 minutes and in comparison the equivalent of 10 bob to spend. Win tonight and we are in the top half!
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 29, 2014 7:36:26 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. The previous incumbant would have had 8 years and the best part of 100m to produce that shit whereas the current incumbant has had 10 minutes and in comparison the equivalent of 10 bob to spend. Win tonight and we are in the top half! Are Palace not in transition Dave? It's not stopping them winning games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 7:42:49 GMT
I think we are going this season. I can't see us getting anything tonight or our next home game. Pressure will start to mount, fans get edgy at home games, confidence drops, trap door opens, prem dream over! If you look at the contracts given out and the what this current sqaud have remaining on theirs it is all geared up for the drop. Most are out in 2015 leaving us financially secure with no big wages to pay. Interesting that no one us getting extensions!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 29, 2014 7:50:18 GMT
I wouldn't say they are in transition no.
Totally different situation and it is very fine margins. According to reports Palace could easily have lost. Same against us. We were the better side until they scored by some distance.
The difference is that our manager has inherited an expensively assembled squad devoid of any pace or attacking ability and the man who everyone seems to want to compare with has inherited a team with pace that needed organising.
Pulis is doing a fine job at Palace and will keep them up. The problem for them, as it was for us, is when he's spent a fortune in 3 years time and has got a team worse than the one he has now.
The team that finished our first Premiership season cost less than 10m and it would have murdered the team he left behind despite it costing 5 times more (not to mention wages)
EDIT - up to the Everton game I was pleased with how we were going about things and my concern was that we didn't have the points we deserved.
After the last 3 games, I am back to thinking we can't do anything given how nbad are attacking/creative options are!
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Post by mcf on Jan 29, 2014 7:59:02 GMT
This is exactly what I'm on about....excuse making wank and basically talking fucking shit with fucking daft comments.
fucking transition. fuck transition. we just need to get more fucking points on the board Johnno.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 29, 2014 8:17:15 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. The previous incumbant would have had 8 years and the best part of 100m to produce that shit whereas the current incumbant has had 10 minutes and in comparison the equivalent of 10 bob to spend. Win tonight and we are in the top half! But £100m is only £12m or so a year and that allowed us to build up a player asset base, we spent a £100m but earned a lot more from TV, commercial, brand enhancement and appreciation of value of the stadium. The Manager inherited Begovic, Butland, Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Wilson, N'Zonzi, Whelan, Crouch, Adam, Jones all of whom are proven Premierhsip performers and with a significant value so he didn't need £100m as he had a base of player sthe previous manager didn't. We have since signed Pieters, Muniesa, Assaidi, Arnautovic, Pennant, Ireland and Giudetti and yet the performances at Palace and Chelsea were certainly no better than average away perfomences over the last 5 years. At times this season we have appeared to be making progress but more recently I can see no evidence of an emerging pattern of play. Yes we pass the ball more but for no obvious benefit and rarely do we complete passes in the final third of the pitch. We are far from doomed but it is hard to argue that the manager is currently doing a particularly good job. As i said and felt at the time, the idea thta it is possible to survive in the Premiership by spending less on players, buying young players and relying on an academy is unporven as is the idea that better football delivers better results. We may well find that the previous 5 seasons were as good as it gets for a club like Stoke with the geographic and economc constraints it faces
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Post by mcf on Jan 29, 2014 8:22:02 GMT
That post should be framed chiswick.
Even if you spread the 90-100m over the 5 years then it would be 18m a year.
I read something on here where they reckon Coates has put in something like 30M in support of the club (forget the investment to purchase) after much of the income is deducted.
I bet that compares ok to what has been spent or is owed to many owners.
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 29, 2014 8:41:19 GMT
We should finish comfortably higher than Palace given the squad they have, their lack of experience in this league, the position they were after 10 games, and the fact that their strike force contains a player considered not good enough for Stoke. They've hardly set the world alight in the transfer window either.
If we are to achieve that we will need a very sudden change to using the appropriate tactics with the squad we've got.
We'll need to show a lot more spirit.
We'll need Guidetti and Odemwingie to hit the ground running.
We have to get Huth and Shawcross fully fit and back in tandem
We need to start scoring again from set pieces.
We'll have to start making the most of our substitutions
We need to get the crowd behind us.
Fortunately, Mark Bowen reassures us that Hughes teams are always better in the second half of the season ( when he hasn't been sacked in the first half) and his statistics prove that Hughes' players usually become supremely fit thoroughbreds as they approach the finishing line.
Tonight is our biggest game since the cup final. If we win I think we'll be ok for the rest of the season. If we lose we are in very severe danger of going down. As our second half of the season didn't start after game 19 it needs to start right now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 29, 2014 8:42:23 GMT
This is exactly what I'm on about....excuse making wank and basically talking fucking shit with fucking daft comments. fucking transition. fuck transition. we just need to get more fucking points on the board Johnno. I am pretty sure I haven't said we are in transition and I agree we need to get more points on the board. Doesn't matter how we do it. We just have to do it, starting tonight. As for Chiswicks list of players...don't make me laugh. Wilson, Adam, Cameron, Jones, Crouch and N'zonzi are all worse than players they effectively replaced. If we have spent so little over the years how do you explain away our recent 30m trading loss?
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Post by mcf on Jan 29, 2014 8:50:47 GMT
I'm not saying that we have spent little.
Most clubs have to spend a lot to compete in this league.
It is brutal in that respect.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 29, 2014 8:56:04 GMT
As I mentioned on the shitbinned thread, why do people never seem to band around the word 'transition' when their team are winning games?
We are behind where we want to be at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 8:57:22 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. The previous incumbant would have had 8 years and the best part of 100m to produce that shit whereas the current incumbant has had 10 minutes and in comparison the equivalent of 10 bob to spend. Win tonight and we are in the top half! The previous incumbent inherited an average championship team and had the best part of 100m to turn us into a stable premier league team. Hughes has inherited a stable premier league team and so far hasn't made much difference. Personally i think Hughes will turn it around, but i don't understand why people like yourself think he is immune to criticism simply because he is not Tony Pulis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 9:10:52 GMT
Pulis has a better record to-date with Palace than he did with us over the period of the last 18 months.
At Stoke, his dismal record was achieved using his team, he'd built, spending many many millions of Peter's warchest.
At Palace, he's taken someone else's team, and somehow managed to get them to collect more wins/points than he seemed capable of here. IronicaIically, he's done it with the assistance of a forward he plainly didn't rate whilst at Stoke.
Not sure what to read into that; he vastly under-achieved in his last 18 months here but stubbornly refused to accept it; he spunked his transfer budget on players that aren't/weren't very good*; or his Palace predecessor did a better job in buying the right kind of player and now TPs reaping the benefits.
* if this is the case (!) then MH is left with a plethora of these same players
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 29, 2014 9:12:10 GMT
The previous incumbant would have had 8 years and the best part of 100m to produce that shit whereas the current incumbant has had 10 minutes and in comparison the equivalent of 10 bob to spend. Win tonight and we are in the top half! The previous incumbent inherited an average championship team and had the best part of 100m to turn us into a stable premier league team. Hughes has inherited a stable premier league team and so far hasn't made much difference. Personally i think Hughes will turn it around, but i don't understand why people like yourself think he is immune to criticism simply because he is not Tony Pulis. People like me??? Mark Hughes isn't immune from crticism at all, certainly not from me. Where valid, I have criticised him and will continur to do so. You say Pulis inherited a midtabe championship side and you're right. He inherited a team full of players he himself had signed during his first spell and he was given time and money to build the team he wanted. Mark Hughes inherited a team heading in one direction and loaded with hopeless big name players on big fat contracts. He hasn't had time or considerable financial backing so should be judged accordingly. We need points and we need them badly. If Hughes persists with the likes of Cameron, Walters, Crouch, Adam and Wilson (not that he has much choice with Wilson at the moment) in his current system then he will have nobody to blame but himself.
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Post by mcf on Jan 29, 2014 9:15:31 GMT
Adam is top league scorer you utter buffoon.
Should he play Arnie or Munny instead of him to get the goals.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 29, 2014 9:16:30 GMT
I wouldn't say they are in transition no. Totally different situation and it is very fine margins. According to reports Palace could easily have lost. Same against us. We were the better side until they scored by some distance. The difference is that our manager has inherited an expensively assembled squad devoid of any pace or attacking ability and the man who everyone seems to want to compare with has inherited a team with pace that needed organising. Pulis is doing a fine job at Palace and will keep them up. The problem for them, as it was for us, is when he's spent a fortune in 3 years time and has got a team worse than the one he has now. The team that finished our first Premiership season cost less than 10m and it would have murdered the team he left behind despite it costing 5 times more (not to mention wages) EDIT - up to the Everton game I was pleased with how we were going about things and my concern was that we didn't have the points we deserved. After the last 3 games, I am back to thinking we can't do anything given how nbad are attacking/creative options are! I think we know enough about Tony Pulis' MO to know that we weren't the better team at all. If five years ago we'd played like Palace against some mid table team and run out 1-0 winners, we'd have thought we'd had a dead easy regulation victory. We didn't make too many chances, were only able to keep the ball in our own half, since Palace clogged up the middle and any attempt to pass through their half saw us overplaying and eventually goving it away. We would probably have come away laughing at another Premier League team more interested in possession than chances (I can think of two shots at goal) and who repeatedly played themselves into trouble. All they needed was a long throw goal to complete it, really. As for the question in the original post, I don't mind Hughes and haven't been saying those things anyway.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Jan 29, 2014 9:17:27 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. This is spot on. Look at the league table this morning. Its frightening!! The FACT is we shouldn't be in this position. Hughes needs to get a grip. Persisting with fucking 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 with the wrong personnel to make it work is shocking. Walking into work this morning and a work colleague turned to me and said 'I wouldn't want to be in a relegation scrap with Hughes' I think he means that Hughes turns teams out that appear to be a tad gutless. Hope he's wrong and this is a blip... very worried this morning.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 29, 2014 9:30:16 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. This is spot on. Look at the league table this morning. Its frightening!! The FACT is we shouldn't be in this position. Hughes needs to get a grip. Persisting with fucking 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 with the wrong personnel to make it work is shocking. Walking into work this morning and a work colleague turned to me and said 'I wouldn't want to be in a relegation scrap with Hughes' I think he means that Hughes turns teams out that appear to be a tad gutless. Hope he's wrong and this is a blip... very worried this morning. Why shouldn't we be in this position? We finished 16th last season and we are currently 16th having failed to address many of the problems that emerged during the last 2 years of the previous managers tenure. Its no surprise to me that we find ourselves where we are. It was always likely when we failed to get the forward players Hughes wanted in the Summer.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 29, 2014 9:31:26 GMT
its been a strange season. We are sitting 16th and yet a win tonight would place us 10th. We appear to be addressing our attacking options and when we have played as a team have played very well. When we haven't gelled as a team we have been awful. Having an eight man defence will stop others scoring most of the time but relies on getting a goal, often from a set piece, and defending the lead. Not knocking it as it is effective and will help survival. Clearly survival is the first aim but if we have ambitions to become a regular top ten team we have to be more balanced. Changing the style means changing the players in truth, hopefully that is happening at a pace that allows survival and not too much disruption. Change is and always will be messy, particularly part way through. Hughes is not beyond criticism but he, or whoever else had come in, does have a difficult task to achieve, given his remit. More than ever we must be secure at home this season, sadly away points are the bonus that gets you up the table but survival begins at home. Still optimistic.
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 29, 2014 9:46:25 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. Help me out Gods. The league started mid August last year and we are now in late January. However I try to work that out I always get 5 months and two weeks so where have you trawled 7 from? "The previous incumbent" you refer to won how many games in the last half of last season? We are poor at the moment. No denying that, but it's about time this rubbish was put to bed. Yes Palace won last night. Yes TP will probably keep them up. Does that make any difference to us? No, I don't think so. Would we have won more in the imaginary extra 2 months of the season under Pulis? Who knows. We were only heading in one direction BEFORE Hughes came on board. Try to bear that in mind. I think if he's backed in the next few days with a striker who's got a bit of movement, then we will be fine.
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