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Post by owdestokie on Jan 29, 2014 18:13:13 GMT
Exactly. Are people that stupid that they believe we weren't in anything other than a downward spiral under Pulis,on the pitch and regarding signings? Whatever happens this season it was the right decision to get rid of Pulis,whether we have replaced him with the right man is still up for debate and the jury is definitely still out. maybe on hughes but i agree with pulis but i posted last week so then, a lot of people (posters on thios board included) as well as the owners wanted pulis gone as it was his time to go. we all wanted someone better than pulis the problem was who? there was no-one better available who would come. of the popular suspects rafa - no way martinez ditto Peter Coates was taking the club in a new direction so to be fair to him an upcoming manager from the lower leagues was maybe not the answer. It is debate-able wether we got an unproven foreigtner Hughes; regardless of wether you like the bloke was one of only a few candidates who was good enough (QPR aside) available and more importantly who would come you can suggest anyone but if they would prefer napoli or everton what are you do so stafford or anyone else for that matter, the question then who was better, available and appeared to want to take the job. im all ears which beggars belief on the lack of support our manager does get from certain elements of our support there was no-one else If there was no-one else why change at that time? |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 29, 2014 18:33:10 GMT
Still an improvement
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 29, 2014 18:35:57 GMT
maybe on hughes but i agree with pulis but i posted last week there was no-one else If there was no-one else why change at that time? This!!! hughes is no better than Pulis. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 18:41:18 GMT
But £100m is only £12m or so a year and that allowed us to build up a player asset base, we spent a £100m but earned a lot more from TV, commercial, brand enhancement and appreciation of value of the stadium. The Manager inherited Begovic, Butland, Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Wilson, N'Zonzi, Whelan, Crouch, Adam, Jones all of whom are proven Premierhsip performers and with a significant value so he didn't need £100m as he had a base of player sthe previous manager didn't. We have since signed Pieters, Muniesa, Assaidi, Arnautovic, Pennant, Ireland and Giudetti and yet the performances at Palace and Chelsea were certainly no better than average away perfomences over the last 5 years. At times this season we have appeared to be making progress but more recently I can see no evidence of an emerging pattern of play. Yes we pass the ball more but for no obvious benefit and rarely do we complete passes in the final third of the pitch. We are far from doomed but it is hard to argue that the manager is currently doing a particularly good job. As i said and felt at the time, the idea thta it is possible to survive in the Premiership by spending less on players, buying young players and relying on an academy is unporven as is the idea that better football delivers better results. We may well find that the previous 5 seasons were as good as it gets for a club like Stoke with the geographic and economc constraints it faces Best and most sensible post i've seen on here for a long long time  No disrespect but how the fuck can it be the best and most sensible post on here in a long time when he states that Jones,Whelan,Butland,Cameron,Adam and Wilson are "Proven" premier league performers? I didn't read the rest of his post,for the simple reason that the second sentence was littered with absolute bollocks! |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 29, 2014 18:48:20 GMT
Best and most sensible post i've seen on here for a long long time No disrespect but how the fuck can it be the best and most sensible post on here in a long time when he states that Jones,Whelan,Butland,Cameron,Adam and Wilson are "Proven" premier league performers? I didn't read the rest of his post,for the simple reason that the second sentence was littered with absolute bollocks! With the exception of Butland[who will be] they are.Maybe if you didn't look through those Pulis hating glasses you'd see it different  |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 29, 2014 18:51:19 GMT
I think most posters have cut Sparky a fair bit of slack. If the previous incumbent had remained in post and then delivered an underwhelming 5 wins in the first 7 months of this season there would have been a lobby on here to have his cock and balls cut off, mounted on a plinth and placed in the Waddington suite. The fact he delivered far worse last season is exactly why that scenario developed. Unbelievably some people defended that to the hilt. Same folk as are donning the executioners mask now ironically and even hypocritically. |
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Post by AlliG on Jan 29, 2014 18:56:16 GMT
All managers inherit someone elses team and as most of those predecessors will have been sacked it would be fair to say that most will not have got the players or squad that they would really like.
As the average tenure of a manager is probably 15 months, it is also safe to say that all managers are judged on what they manage to do with their predecessors players plus a few of their own.
It is time for some to stop harking back to what the previous manager might or might not have done this season but it is also time to stop making excuses for Mark Hughes. While it might be unfair, it is naieve and unrealistic to expect a new manager to be given 3 or 4 transfer windows before they are judged.
It is time for Mark to show his true managerial colours and start making the best use of the hand that he has been dealt.
Tonight would be ideal.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 29, 2014 19:03:03 GMT
All managers inherit someone elses team and as most of those predecessors will have been sacked it would be fair to say that most will not have got the players or squad that they would really like. As the average tenure of a manager is probably 15 months, it is also safe to say that all managers are judged on what they manage to do with their predecessors players plus a few of their own. It is time for some to stop harking back to what the previous manager might or might not have done this season but it is also time to stop making excuses for Mark Hughes. While it might be unfair, it is naieve and unrealistic to expect a new manager to be given 3 or 4 transfer windows before they are judged. It is time for Mark to show his true managerial colours and start making the best use of the hand that he has been dealt. Tonight would be ideal. Well said Sir and very true. |
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Post by owdestokie on Jan 29, 2014 19:25:45 GMT
All managers inherit someone elses team and as most of those predecessors will have been sacked it would be fair to say that most will not have got the players or squad that they would really like. As the average tenure of a manager is probably 15 months, it is also safe to say that all managers are judged on what they manage to do with their predecessors players plus a few of their own. It is time for some to stop harking back to what the previous manager might or might not have done this season but it is also time to stop making excuses for Mark Hughes. While it might be unfair, it is naieve and unrealistic to expect a new manager to be given 3 or 4 transfer windows before they are judged. It is time for Mark to show his true managerial colours and start making the best use of the hand that he has been dealt. Tonight would be ideal. Well said Sir and very true. I'll go with that |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 20:04:05 GMT
No disrespect but how the fuck can it be the best and most sensible post on here in a long time when he states that Jones,Whelan,Butland,Cameron,Adam and Wilson are "Proven" premier league performers? I didn't read the rest of his post,for the simple reason that the second sentence was littered with absolute bollocks! With the exception of Butland[who will be] they are.Maybe if you didn't look through those Pulis hating glasses you'd see it different My Pulis hating glasses were removed when he was rightly removed from our club. With or without them I still see those players you mentioned as proven premier league players,doing nothing other than giving average to poor performances in this league week in week out. Butland aside,as you mention,those players have done nothing but prove that they aren't proven premier league standard,so I was right in my assumption that the post you quoted wasn't the best and most sensible post on here in a long time. |
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Post by Ayupshag on Jan 29, 2014 20:10:28 GMT
We won't finish higher than a snakes belly. This is the year we'll go down. We're extremely poor
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 29, 2014 20:13:55 GMT
Best and most sensible post i've seen on here for a long long time No disrespect but how the fuck can it be the best and most sensible post on here in a long time when he states that Jones,Whelan,Butland,Cameron,Adam and Wilson are "Proven" premier league performers? I didn't read the rest of his post,for the simple reason that the second sentence was littered with absolute bollocks! Obviously if you had read all the post it would be easier to debate with you. But the fact is all thsoe players except Butland, who everyone agrees has potential, have been part of an established Premership team for at least a season and more than that in the case of most that was never in the position the current team is. I cannot see how Puis can recieve any blame when he consistently delivered mid table security with a simialr squad, the fact this is now proving difficult merely goes to show he did agood job in difficult circumstances |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 29, 2014 20:18:05 GMT
How though, what criteria are you using to conclude that. After my trips to Palace and Chelsea i cna only conclude we are poorer at defending, worse at set pieces at both ends, have less passion, little idea of what our tacticla plan is, put teams under very litle pressure. My kids are bored stiff with the lack of excitement, we have 3,000 less season ticket holders, only 700 fans at Chelsea, only 400 brave souls tonight and we have no identity. What is better? the fact we pass the ball more across the defence? |
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