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Post by Roy Cropper on Jan 27, 2014 15:30:44 GMT
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jan 27, 2014 15:32:54 GMT
Can make a case for all of them not to start based on these!
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2014 15:37:13 GMT
How does arnie get that many more tackles than Walters when he's a lazy twat and Walters is in the team because he works hard?
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jan 27, 2014 15:38:00 GMT
I actually think Arnie gets a rough deal because of his body language and the way he seems to amble about the pitch sometimes when not in possession.
To me his attitude and play have improved immensely in recent games, and I think with more matches and confidence he'll improve further.
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jan 27, 2014 15:42:35 GMT
SJW may work ard but these stats are pretty damning, as one of the front 3 your main job is to create / score - he does neither
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2014 15:43:25 GMT
Well, those stats certainly backup my (and others) assessment of Arnie.....and Walters.
Pretty clear from these numbers which 2 should be starting on the wings.
Can you send the link for those stats?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2014 15:45:06 GMT
Even the "lightweight" "weak as piss" Assiadi has made more tackles than goarn Jon.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 27, 2014 15:45:07 GMT
Well, those stats certainly backup my (and others) assessment of Arnie.....and Walters. Pretty clear from these numbers which 2 should be starting on the wings. Can you send the link for those stats? There is no link for them, someone I know sent them to me from Opta. |
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 27, 2014 15:45:26 GMT
these stats were posted on here last week, weren't they?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2014 15:46:42 GMT
these stats were posted on here last week, weren't they? So walters's stats wouldn't of improved at all after yesterday then? |
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 27, 2014 15:47:20 GMT
Walter is useless, he doesn't contribute anything to the team other than running around which at this level is not good enough. It's embarrassing how he's undropable.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 27, 2014 15:49:09 GMT
2 assists is pretty piss poor for any winger, we need better than both Walters and Assaidi.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 15:50:37 GMT
All those stats prove is that all three of these players are shit,one of them more shit than the other two but they're all cack and not good enough for this level.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 27, 2014 15:51:56 GMT
these stats were posted on here last week, weren't they? So walters's stats wouldn't of improved at all after yesterday then? Let's face it anyone who needs to see stats to prove to themselves that Walter's is worryingly ineffective as an attacker just cannot be watching the games. That said i guess TP and MH fall into this camp of selective blindness.  |
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2014 15:56:12 GMT
Some of those stats look suspect to me? Are some per game while others are per season so far?
I can't imagine that even Walters has only managed 8 tackles all season? That's like 1 tackle every 3 games basically. The same goes for his dribbling and interception stats.
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 27, 2014 15:56:49 GMT
All those stats prove is that all three of these players are shit,one of them more shit than the other two but they're all cack and not good enough for this level. Arnautovic's stats are actually quite good compared to the rest of the league. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 27, 2014 15:59:05 GMT
Some of those stats look suspect to me? Are some per game while others are per season so far? I can't imagine that even Walters has only managed 8 tackles all season? That's like 1 tackle every 3 games basically. The same goes for his dribbling and interception stats. There for the season so far, Walters has blocked a lot of shots, but I cant be arsed to write everything that got sent to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 15:59:38 GMT
All those stats prove is that all three of these players are shit,one of them more shit than the other two but they're all cack and not good enough for this level. Arnautovic's stats are actually quite good compared to the rest of the league. Ok,fair enough,but those stats don't match up with what I've seen so far with my own two eyes. He has been disappointing at best. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 27, 2014 16:00:09 GMT
Arnautovic takes more risks than the other two which often makes him look a poorer player. I'm still going to give him time, he's clearly got something. It just needs to click for him at some point.
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 27, 2014 16:02:52 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 27, 2014 16:05:40 GMT
Is that a photo that somebody has taken of a post on here? Tell them that it's easier to take a print screen instead.  |
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Jan 27, 2014 16:06:01 GMT
Even more damning is both Assaidi and Arnautovic will have a considerable amount of sub appearances there whereas Walters is almost exclusively starts.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 27, 2014 16:06:17 GMT
All those stats prove is that all three of these players are shit,one of them more shit than the other two but they're all cack and not good enough for this level. Actually I would disagree with you on that.  Almost all of Super Jon's appearances are starts and he usually plays the full 90 minutes (no idea why) Arnie and Os have often come on as subs or been subbed so the minutes on the pitch for walters is much greater than the number of appearances suggests compared to the other two. If we had Ronaldo and Bale available, Arnie and Assaidi would not get a look in but from the stats they are both far better than Walters and even super Jon is better than Etherington at the moment. |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:07:51 GMT
Is that a photo that somebody has taken of a post on here? Tell them that it's easier to take a print screen instead. Those who post this sh*t every time we lose don't have the brains to do that. If they think Walters is our main problem there really is no hope for them. |
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Post by redwhite on Jan 27, 2014 16:10:50 GMT
Pass Success:
Assaidi 88.3%
Arnautovic 81.3%
Walters 69.3%
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2014 16:12:06 GMT
Some of those stats look suspect to me? Are some per game while others are per season so far? I can't imagine that even Walters has only managed 8 tackles all season? That's like 1 tackle every 3 games basically. The same goes for his dribbling and interception stats. There for the season so far, Walters has blocked a lot of shots, but I cant be arsed to write everything that got sent to me. In that case it's even worse than I originally feared. Walters is actually shitter than I originally thought!!! |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:13:36 GMT
Pass Success: Assaidi 88.3% Arnautovic 81.3% Walters 69.3% Are there any figures for how many times Arnie sulks or moans at his team-mates? |
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2014 16:14:44 GMT
Is that a photo that somebody has taken of a post on here? Tell them that it's easier to take a print screen instead. Those who post this sh*t every time we lose don't have the brains to do that. If they think Walters is our main problem there really is no hope for them. Stats don't lie. Clearly we need better on the wing than Walters. If only to relieve the pressure on the other winger. After all, any FB up against JW knows he's in for a comfortable afternoon and can spend half his time helping out the CBs. In fact, they just need to stand still and Walters will likely run into them or pass them the ball. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 27, 2014 16:14:46 GMT
There for the season so far, Walters has blocked a lot of shots, but I cant be arsed to write everything that got sent to me. In that case it's even worse than I originally feared. Walters is actually shitter than I originally thought!!! Stats do vary though mate through different sites, they are all pretty close though, the ones I gave in that table included cup games to, so we could see it as a whole. The lad I got it from at Opta to, was pretty happy to say that they were the most accurate that he had given me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 16:14:51 GMT
All those stats prove is that all three of these players are shit,one of them more shit than the other two but they're all cack and not good enough for this level. Actually I would disagree with you on that. Almost all of Super Jon's appearances are starts and he usually plays the full 90 minutes (no idea why) Arnie and Os have often come on as subs or been subbed so the minutes on the pitch for walters is much greater than the number of appearances suggests compared to the other two. If we had Ronaldo and Bale available, Arnie and Assaidi would not get a look in but from the stats they are both far better than Walters and even super Jon is better than Etherington at the moment. You are just confirming what I've said really. Arnie and Assaidi are both far better than Walters,you're right. Being far better than absolute dog shit of the shittest of orders can still equate to not being good enough for this league |
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