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Post by Fred Astaire on Jan 27, 2014 17:39:40 GMT
Walters' main job is to annoy people, and he does seem to do very well on that score, on here at any rate. Although I doubt him or Hughes give much of a fuck whether the Oatcake is annoyed or not. Hope not. Yeah, he fcukin' annoys me!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2014 18:16:28 GMT
That confirms what I see with my eyes. Excellent.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jan 27, 2014 18:25:41 GMT
Thing is, for all the stick Walters gets, he doesn't pick himself. I thought he might not get a look in once MH came here, but Hughsey keeps picking him. As for Arnie and Assaidi, they're not bad signings, but we're not getting the best out of them. For me they'd both be better playing wide in a 4-4-2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 18:39:48 GMT
Or on the flip side you could say.... Those that don't think Walters is a major part of a big problem,and has been a major part of this big problem for 3 seasons now,well,there is very little hope for them either as regards to understanding football anyway. And you do I suppose? TBH, I can't be arsed to argue with a moaning old c*nt like you. No point making a case for an argument you can't win I suppose.
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Post by onionman on Jan 27, 2014 18:41:10 GMT
How do you define a successful dribble?
I don't remember Walters going past a man once this season, let alone 9 times.
Does "successful dribble" mean "kicked the ball forward in an empty space without losing control"? In which case, 9 is a frightening figure.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 27, 2014 18:42:05 GMT
oh man...he´s a WINGER, and is responsible for the offensive.....we play a shitty football almost every week and if our front line has to track back all the time, they won´t have the power to do their main job an......and i ask me, for what we have the remaining 7 players in our team But what did he offer offensively yesterday? every bit of forward play Arnie had resulted in a miss pass or a fancy flick and losing the ball. The sooner Walters goes the better then we will finally get someone in better and have no benchmark for the rest of the shit players in the squad. Why do we have to say "yeah but Arnie is better than walters"? Can we just not appreciate a mediocre player without referring back to Walters? Spot on mate; people are for some reason waiting for Arnie to all of a sudden come good! What you have seen so far is as good as it gets so let's just accept it. Why we expect him to become a world beater he never has at any other club he's been at. That's why he was only £2m and all his clubs wanted him out FFS. Some Austrian colleagues from work told me when we signed him don't expect too much from this guy and eventually he will fall out with his team mates. If you are going to compare him to another player pick someone better than Walters it's cheating! We all hope it works for stoke but dint bank on it.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 27, 2014 19:00:04 GMT
'If you are going to compare him to another player pick someone better than Walters it's cheating!'
Who else do you suggest we compare him to? Shawcross, Begovic, N'Zonzi??? Walters plays week in week out in a position that Arnie can play far better as the stats show.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 27, 2014 19:08:35 GMT
That confirms what I see with my eyes. Excellent. I agree bayern. But if there were any people on the fence, the other nights shite performance should have done that. 50% passing and 2 shots on goal in 90 mins... Sometimes the eyes deceive, but bias really helps with that.
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Post by RAF on Jan 27, 2014 19:15:42 GMT
Are there any figures for how many times Arnie sulks or moans at his team-mates? ...and that affects the result how exactly? It doesn't , but when you get as desperate as Shifty trying to argue a case he hasn't got, anything will do to try and deflect him looking a daft cunt as pretty much normal! H
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Post by Fred Astaire on Jan 27, 2014 19:24:10 GMT
But what did he offer offensively yesterday? every bit of forward play Arnie had resulted in a miss pass or a fancy flick and losing the ball. The sooner Walters goes the better then we will finally get someone in better and have no benchmark for the rest of the shit players in the squad. Why do we have to say "yeah but Arnie is better than walters"? Can we just not appreciate a mediocre player without referring back to Walters? Spot on mate; people are for some reason waiting for Arnie to all of a sudden come good! What you have seen so far is as good as it gets so let's just accept it. Why we expect him to become a world beater he never has at any other club he's been at. That's why he was only £2m and all his clubs wanted him out FFS. Some Austrian colleagues from work told me when we signed him don't expect too much from this guy and eventually he will fall out with his team mates. If you are going to compare him to another player pick someone better than Walters it's cheating! We all hope it works for stoke but dint bank on it. He's compared to Walters (and Assaidi) because they all play in the same position. There's no bloody point comparing him to Begovic or Shawcross!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 27, 2014 19:41:25 GMT
Spot on mate; people are for some reason waiting for Arnie to all of a sudden come good! What you have seen so far is as good as it gets so let's just accept it. Why we expect him to become a world beater he never has at any other club he's been at. That's why he was only £2m and all his clubs wanted him out FFS. Some Austrian colleagues from work told me when we signed him don't expect too much from this guy and eventually he will fall out with his team mates. If you are going to compare him to another player pick someone better than Walters it's cheating! We all hope it works for stoke but dint bank on it. He's compared to Walters (and Assaidi) because they all play in the same position. There's no bloody point comparing him to Begovic or Shawcross! I meant some player from one of our rivals i.e - Adam Johnson, Duff,
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Post by Fred Astaire on Jan 27, 2014 20:00:16 GMT
But you said yourself that Arnie is not as good as Walters and the stats show that he still manages to contribute more. You could probably compare Walters to another 100 players in the Prem that play the same position and very few of them would be as ineffective either visually, statistically or actually. His time has passed I feel
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 27, 2014 20:38:44 GMT
what's the phrase again lies lies and Damn statistics !!! Walters is having a dreadful season but Arnie does most of his work where it has little impact and was utter shite yesterday , just ask Terry Conroy about him , a bloke who should know a thing or two about playing in Arnies position .
Out of the three currently I would only give Assaidi the time of day to be honest
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Post by wardtimothy on Jan 27, 2014 20:44:17 GMT
Even more damning is both Assaidi and Arnautovic will have a considerable amount of sub appearances there whereas Walters is almost exclusively starts. You're right. If this was minutes on the pitch there would be a gulf between arnie/assaidi and Walters.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 27, 2014 20:48:24 GMT
what's the phrase again lies lies and Damn statistics !!! Walters is having a dreadful season but Arnie does most of his work where it has little impact and was utter shite yesterday , just ask Terry Conroy about him , a bloke who should know a thing or two about playing in Arnies position . Out of the three currently I would only give Assaidi the time of day to be honest Yeah the same Terry Conroy that said he was shocked that TP was sacked.... Only see's what he wants to see.
What is even worse is that you'd give a loaned player more time than a player this club owns. Congratulations
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 27, 2014 20:51:43 GMT
He's compared to Walters (and Assaidi) because they all play in the same position. There's no bloody point comparing him to Begovic or Shawcross! I meant some player from one of our rivals i.e - Adam Johnson, Duff, Wrong!!! Twente never wanted him to leave, Inter he was injured, & as for Werder Bremen he fell out with a couple it does happen.
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Post by Fred Astaire on Jan 27, 2014 21:45:59 GMT
Total mins played in League & Cup games so far this season (I think)
1,141 mins - Assaidi 1,542 mins - Arnautovic 1,916 mins - Walters
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Post by goldcoaststokie on Jan 27, 2014 22:05:03 GMT
If those stats are correct then arni is doing ok. His contributions are better than the other 2 he just needs a couple more goals. An average above 7 is pretty good too. Pass completions for forwards are going to be pretty low too considering where they play on the pitch. Walters contributions are surpisingly poor.
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Post by kurt on Jan 28, 2014 7:07:05 GMT
If those stats are correct then arni is doing ok. His contributions are better than the other 2 he just needs a couple more goals. An average above 7 is pretty good too. Pass completions for forwards are going to be pretty low too considering where they play on the pitch. Walters contributions are surpisingly poor. I see Arni more as a preparer delivering (hopefully) a lot of assists.
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Post by foster on Jan 28, 2014 8:13:35 GMT
Total mins played in League & Cup games so far this season (I think) 1,141 mins - Assaidi 1,542 mins - Arnautovic 1,916 mins - Walters Well, if that's the case then bump up Arnies stats by 20-25% and Assaidi's by about 40-45% to even them out. Unbelievably that would make JW look even shitter.
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Post by meirparkpotter on Jan 28, 2014 11:41:48 GMT
So those stats say our best team is:
--------------Bego---------------
Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters
---------N'Zonzi, Wilson---------
-------Arno, Adam, Assaidi-------
-------------Crouch-------------
It would be good to see this exact formation for substantial amount of playing time...
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