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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2014 16:15:18 GMT
Pass Success: Assaidi 88.3% Arnautovic 81.3% Walters 69.3% Are there any figures for how many times Arnie sulks or moans at his team-mates? ...and that affects the result how exactly?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 27, 2014 16:18:06 GMT
Some of those stats look suspect to me? Are some per game while others are per season so far? I can't imagine that even Walters has only managed 8 tackles all season? That's like 1 tackle every 3 games basically. The same goes for his dribbling and interception stats. Walters doesn't get tackles in as he's too slow. He usually gets back just as the cross is coming in or if he is back he's turned inside out and the cross comes in. Up front they usually easily pass round him. Reminds me of when I played rugby. Just ran jogged ambled from line out to scum to line out and never did much in between!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 16:18:17 GMT
Is that a photo that somebody has taken of a post on here? Tell them that it's easier to take a print screen instead. Those who post this sh*t every time we lose don't have the brains to do that. If they think Walters is our main problem there really is no hope for them. Or on the flip side you could say.... Those that don't think Walters is a major part of a big problem,and has been a major part of this big problem for 3 seasons now,well,there is very little hope for them either as regards to understanding football anyway.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2014 16:19:10 GMT
Pass Success: Assaidi 88.3% Arnautovic 81.3% Walters 69.3% Are there any figures for how many times Arnie sulks or moans at his team-mates? Yeah they're about the same as the amount of shit posts you make.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 27, 2014 16:19:12 GMT
Pass Success: Assaidi 88.3% Arnautovic 81.3% Walters 69.3% Are there any figures for how many times Arnie sulks or moans at his team-mates? No because that's trivial. However I have found out that Butland is our heaviest player at 95kg, 10kg heavier than any of his team mates.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2014 16:19:40 GMT
I still believe that Arnie will come good eventually. He has potential. My biggest issue with him at the moment is his weight. He just looks chunky and I don't know why. It's not as if he's built or has a certain body-type. I still think Arnautovic should be a starter. I'm not sure about Walters. I'm 50/50. He does work hard, and I do feel he adds a defensive side but week after week I feel more and more as if he needs dropping. Yesterday Walters looked so poor. He was up against an ageing Ashley Cole, who I'm not convinced had to break a sweat.
I don't know, we'll see. There must be some reason Walters gets picked week in week out. Tony and now Leslie. Could be the fitness thing, he does get around the pitch :\
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Post by kurt on Jan 27, 2014 16:20:20 GMT
How does arnie get that many more tackles than Walters when he's a lazy twat and Walters is in the team because he works hard? That´s the right question an shows that some users here should probably go to an eye specialist.
The fairy tale of "Walter´s effort is so much better than Arni´s" let me puke.
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2014 16:21:05 GMT
I still believe that Arnie will come good eventually. He has potential. My biggest issue with him at the moment is his weight. He just looks chunky and I don't know why. It's not as if he's built or has a certain body-type. I still think Arnautovic should be a starter. I'm not sure about Walters. I'm 50/50. He does work hard, and I do feel he adds a defensive side but week after week I feel more and more as if he needs dropping. Yesterday Walters looked so poor. He was up against an ageing Ashley Cole, who I'm not convinced had to break a sweat. I don't know, we'll see. There must be some reason Walters gets picked week in week out. Tony and now Leslie. Could be the fitness thing, he does get around the pitch :\ Could have sworn Walters was up against Ivanovic yesterday? Maybe I'm mistaken.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 27, 2014 16:21:47 GMT
Some of those stats look suspect to me? Are some per game while others are per season so far? I can't imagine that even Walters has only managed 8 tackles all season? That's like 1 tackle every 3 games basically. The same goes for his dribbling and interception stats. According to whoscored, Walters averages 0.4 tackles per game. Only Crouch, Pennant and the keepers have lower.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2014 16:22:58 GMT
I still believe that Arnie will come good eventually. He has potential. My biggest issue with him at the moment is his weight. He just looks chunky and I don't know why. It's not as if he's built or has a certain body-type. I still think Arnautovic should be a starter. I'm not sure about Walters. I'm 50/50. He does work hard, and I do feel he adds a defensive side but week after week I feel more and more as if he needs dropping. Yesterday Walters looked so poor. He was up against an ageing Ashley Cole, who I'm not convinced had to break a sweat. I don't know, we'll see. There must be some reason Walters gets picked week in week out. Tony and now Leslie. Could be the fitness thing, he does get around the pitch :\ Could have sworn Walters was up against Ivanovic yesterday? Maybe I'm mistaken. They switched a couple of times, but yes, he was up against Ivanovic too.
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Post by sjohank on Jan 27, 2014 16:24:04 GMT
these stats were posted on here last week, weren't they? Yes indeed, and with LOTS of comments - here we go again...
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:24:21 GMT
Are there any figures for how many times Arnie sulks or moans at his team-mates? ...and that affects the result how exactly? Of course it does. If you're so dumb to realise it, I'm not explaining to you.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:27:47 GMT
Are there any figures for how many times Arnie sulks or moans at his team-mates? Yeah they're about the same as the amount of shit posts you make. Oh she's here with a new username. Did your boyfriend Mark unchain you and set you free for the day?
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2014 16:28:12 GMT
...and that affects the result how exactly? Of course it does. If you're so dumb to realise it, I'm not explaining to you. Says the prick who can't read basic stats.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 27, 2014 16:29:53 GMT
Actually I would disagree with you on that. Almost all of Super Jon's appearances are starts and he usually plays the full 90 minutes (no idea why) Arnie and Os have often come on as subs or been subbed so the minutes on the pitch for walters is much greater than the number of appearances suggests compared to the other two. If we had Ronaldo and Bale available, Arnie and Assaidi would not get a look in but from the stats they are both far better than Walters and even super Jon is better than Etherington at the moment. You are just confirming what I've said really. Arnie and Assaidi are both far better than Walters,you're right. Being far better than absolute dog shit of the shittest of orders can still equate to not being good enough for this league best we've got though
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Post by ukcstokie on Jan 27, 2014 16:31:02 GMT
One thing the stats don't show is how many times each of them just let their man go.
I really like Arnie but sometimes yesterday he just let his man run on and didn't track. It's something he needs to work on. It's also something the while Walters is generally decent on, he does fall asleep at times too.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:31:15 GMT
Those who post this sh*t every time we lose don't have the brains to do that. If they think Walters is our main problem there really is no hope for them. Or on the flip side you could say.... Those that don't think Walters is a major part of a big problem,and has been a major part of this big problem for 3 seasons now,well,there is very little hope for them either as regards to understanding football anyway. And you do I suppose? TBH, I can't be arsed to argue with a moaning old c*nt like you.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:33:10 GMT
One thing the stats don't show is how many times each of them just let their man go. I really like Arnie but sometimes yesterday he just let his man run on and didn't track. It's something he needs to work on. It's also something the while Walters is generally decent on, he does fall asleep at times too. These moaners won't have seen that, instead of being there and supporting our team, thry'd fallen asleep in their armchairs.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:36:09 GMT
Of course it does. If you're so dumb to realise it, I'm not explaining to you. Says the prick who can't read basic stats. Love you too, sweetie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 16:37:18 GMT
I think that Arnie will get better and have more confidence about playing in the Stoke team, when he get,s better player,s to play alongside him. The team must now be lacking in confidence, and hopefully, either Guidetti or Odemwingie will help that confidence grow. If we can get Odemwingie back to something near his best, he could make a big difference, and as for Guidetti, he is something of an unknown quality. As I,ve said before, I used to work with a Man city fan, who thought that he was going to be the next big thing. Let,s hope he was right, because we definitely need a lift.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 27, 2014 16:37:53 GMT
One thing the stats don't show is how many times each of them just let their man go. I really like Arnie but sometimes yesterday he just let his man run on and didn't track. It's something he needs to work on. It's also something the while Walters is generally decent on, he does fall asleep at times too. These moaners won't have seen that, instead of being there and supporting our team, thry'd fallen asleep in their armchairs. Oh yes Walter loves his chasing he chases everything, but he hardly ever catches anything.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jan 27, 2014 16:42:45 GMT
These moaners won't have seen that, instead of being there and supporting our team, thry'd fallen asleep in their armchairs. Oh yes Walter loves his chasing he chases everything, but he hardly ever catches anything. Stop banging your head it damages your brain,...........ooops, too late.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 27, 2014 16:45:20 GMT
Is that a photo that somebody has taken of a post on here? Tell them that it's easier to take a print screen instead. Those who post this sh*t every time we lose don't have the brains to do that. If they think Walters is our main problem there really is no hope for them. If Walters specifically and our forwards in general aren't our main problem then I'd love to know what you think is? Our forward/creative players in general are poor to shocking and Walters specifically is wank. They are no threat at all, don't hold the ball up, don't create any problems for the opposition and generally cause more problems for us than anyone else. Unless you're view is that our right back is our biggest problem (which I don't think you do) then I am all ears waiting for your view of where our problems lie.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 27, 2014 16:45:25 GMT
but SJW would beat then all for the ''Chasing up and down the field chasing after the ball I just lost'' Stat.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 27, 2014 16:55:01 GMT
good stats thanks for sharing.
Surprised actually that Arnie looks pretty good there. But maybe thats because they are next to Walters which are so so dire.
Based upon that Walters will make another assist before the end of the season. Cant wait to see that one
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Post by kurt on Jan 27, 2014 17:01:53 GMT
One thing the stats don't show is how many times each of them just let their man go. I really like Arnie but sometimes yesterday he just let his man run on and didn't track. It's something he needs to work on. It's also something the while Walters is generally decent on, he does fall asleep at times too. oh man...he´s a WINGER, and is responsible for the offensive.....we play a shitty football almost every week and if our front line has to track back all the time, they won´t have the power to do their main job an......and i ask me, for what we have the remaining 7 players in our team
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Post by onemanbang on Jan 27, 2014 17:15:25 GMT
One thing the stats don't show is how many times each of them just let their man go. I really like Arnie but sometimes yesterday he just let his man run on and didn't track. It's something he needs to work on. It's also something the while Walters is generally decent on, he does fall asleep at times too. oh man...he´s a WINGER, and is responsible for the offensive.....we play a shitty football almost every week and if our front line has to track back all the time, they won´t have the power to do their main job an......and i ask me, for what we have the remaining 7 players in our team But what did he offer offensively yesterday? every bit of forward play Arnie had resulted in a miss pass or a fancy flick and losing the ball. The sooner Walters goes the better then we will finally get someone in better and have no benchmark for the rest of the shit players in the squad. Why do we have to say "yeah but Arnie is better than walters"? Can we just not appreciate a mediocre player without referring back to Walters?
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 27, 2014 17:25:29 GMT
Walters' main job is to annoy people, and he does seem to do very well on that score, on here at any rate. Although I doubt him or Hughes give much of a fuck whether the Oatcake is annoyed or not. Hope not.
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Post by kurt on Jan 27, 2014 17:26:41 GMT
oh man...he´s a WINGER, and is responsible for the offensive.....we play a shitty football almost every week and if our front line has to track back all the time, they won´t have the power to do their main job an......and i ask me, for what we have the remaining 7 players in our team But what did he offer offensively yesterday? every bit of forward play Arnie had resulted in a miss pass or a fancy flick and losing the ball. The sooner Walters goes the better then we will finally get someone in better and have no benchmark for the rest of the shit players in the squad. Why do we have to say "yeah but Arnie is better than walters"? Can we just not appreciate a mediocre player without referring back to Walters? Not much...i was NOT satisfied with Arni yesterday...but i don´t think he lost so many balls....and he should do his fancy flicks if this improves his self-confidence on the field...if it results in a dangerous situation for us, it´s definitely stupid.
...but compared to Walters he was nonetheless far better....i´m not a Walters-Hater, but this was his worst game this season so far....and to improve (sorry, in our case: to start) a creative offensive football the problem for me is Jonathan Walters (and Crouch)...no doubt.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 27, 2014 17:37:46 GMT
These stats prove that someone at the brit has put kryptonite in the once SJW's boots for 2 seasons now. The sane oatcakers have been saying that for a while now. Jon is a pub player at best...
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