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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 26, 2014 22:36:53 GMT
About the worst I have watched him play, couldn't. believe how often he gave the ball away. We cannot afford to keep picking him. It's scary to even contemplate putting shotton or move Cameron to the wing for a game because at least they'd try to get a friggen cross in or attempt to beat thier man. I seriously think we've used jon to the point were better off taking him behind the woodshed and put a bullet to his head to put him out of his misery... He's moving into the deadwood column faster than I expected tbh. It's the most worrying aspect about our side because he was a main contributor in assists and goals but this season a loanee and arnie offer more to the attacking game in his position yet Walters takes a spot on the sheet week in week out. Its baffling.
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Post by philb on Jan 26, 2014 22:45:01 GMT
I find this a bizarre thread.......why pick out just Walters......poor today along with most of the team but certainly not worth singling out any more than the rest. Week after week we are shown clear incontrovertible evidence that the current style and formation just don't work but for some reason it's Walters fault alone.......some people seem to see what they want to....as usual. I simply 'singled' out Walters because he was clearly the worst player in a Stoke shirt on the pitch today. He offered nowt going forward (he was a striker once remember) and continually gave the ball away when we got anywhere In a decent position. Why he lasted 90 mins god only knows and I find it hard that anyone can defend him today. There's no 'agenda' as some seem to think by the way, just an observation on his 'performance' today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 8:20:12 GMT
I find this a bizarre thread.......why pick out just Walters......poor today along with most of the team but certainly not worth singling out any more than the rest. Week after week we are shown clear incontrovertible evidence that the current style and formation just don't work but for some reason it's Walters fault alone.......some people seem to see what they want to....as usual. He epitomises everything that's wrong with us as a team. Oh, and there are better footballers in League One. Who might not run as far. But are better at the actual game of football than Honest Jon is.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2014 8:54:17 GMT
Anyone think Walters was being tried out on the left yesterday in preparation for Odemwingie? I hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 9:23:26 GMT
I find this a bizarre thread.......why pick out just Walters......poor today along with most of the team but certainly not worth singling out any more than the rest. Week after week we are shown clear incontrovertible evidence that the current style and formation just don't work but for some reason it's Walters fault alone.......some people seem to see what they want to....as usual. He epitomises everything that's wrong with us as a team. Oh, and there are better footballers in League One. Who might not run as far. But are better at the actual game of football than Honest Jon is. what is wrong with our team is attitude, if certain other players with far more talent had half as much determination as Walters we wouldn't be in this position. I am not suggesting Walters should keep his place, but if anyone deserves abuse its Hughes for picking him week after week, not Walters for trying to make the most out of his very limited ability.
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Post by kurt on Jan 27, 2014 9:35:25 GMT
Can´t understand that Hughe doesn´t realize our big lack of producing creative offensive football....and sorry, ´but with Walters there will definitely be no improvement concerning that
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 27, 2014 9:41:49 GMT
Anyone think Walters was being tried out on the left yesterday in preparation for Odemwingie? I hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me. Nah, he'll drop Wilson and play Walters at CB.
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Post by themarkwilsonturn on Jan 27, 2014 9:49:53 GMT
How is he still getting in the side???
Now I know the subject of this thread is just a typical Monday morning post highlighting the deficiency of our latest performance but something has to be said (again) about the performance of Johnathan Walters
I really do struggle to see what he brings to the side, in terms of an attacking sense there is very little. He spends most of his time chasing down the full back, when he does win the ball he's shattered and has little or absolotely no idea what to do with it. Its embarrassing when you see him pick up the ball and drive at the opposition with No pace, technic and very little ability- he usually makes it two yards then he's been dispossesed.
Surly it's time for Hughes to make changes and Johnathan Walters should be the first player dropped to the bench, his performances are becoming little short of embarrasing. His ability has always been questioned at Stoke but at least during the cup run he made the most of it, now he appears to have lost the commited side to his game. When he loses the ball he might aswell just stand there because there is no way he is winning it back!
Come on Hughes sort it out for Wednesday!!!
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 27, 2014 10:01:49 GMT
Why not post this on one of the 25 other Walters is wank threads?
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jan 27, 2014 10:02:31 GMT
Well I spent the second half yesterday screaming/begging for MH to sub Walters for Guidetti (and Ireland for Adam as it goes), so you won't get any argument from me.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jan 27, 2014 10:07:25 GMT
Why not post this on one of the 25 other Walters is wank threads? Only "25"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:10:20 GMT
i've never been a Walters basher...i think most of the threads are completely unwarranted but i have to agree that yesterday he offered nothing to the side at all and should have been subbed. his passes were almost always going straight back to Chelsea and relinquishing possession...just one of those days where it really wasn't happening for him at all in any way
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Post by themarkwilsonturn on Jan 27, 2014 10:10:44 GMT
Why not post this on one of the 25 other Walters is wank threads? Thought i'd start a brand new thread, just so that you could make that remark. Oh go on, you were dying to comment
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Post by apb1 on Jan 27, 2014 10:12:36 GMT
So will we have Walters on the left and Odemwingie on the right?
I really like Walters and his attitude is top rate, but if there's a gave away possession stat his must have been 100% on Sunday.
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Post by st3mark on Jan 27, 2014 10:16:50 GMT
We're in a relegation battle, he's our hardest working and most committed player. It's a no brainer really. There isn't a manager in the league that would take him out of the team because most people know what it takes to grind out results.
If we had some quality come in then great, drop Walters and get some quality in. But at this time there is no player of significant quality in the squad to make up for the grit we would lose by dropping him. So get behind him, Walters represents Stoke the way we ourselves would - 110% on and off the pitch.
Walters performance as a player is far better than alot of our fans' performances as supporters on a match day.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 27, 2014 10:21:36 GMT
The more threads about Walters the toss footballer the better,maybe someone high up at the club will get to see one of them and hope the penny drops where Walters is concerned.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 27, 2014 10:24:47 GMT
We're in a relegation battle, he's our hardest working and most committed player. It's a no brainer really. There isn't a manager in the league that would take him out of the team because most people know what it takes to grind out results. If we had some quality come in then great, drop Walters and get some quality in. But at this time there is no player of significant quality in the squad to make up for the grit we would lose by dropping him. So get behind him, Walters represents Stoke the way we ourselves would - 110% on and off the pitch. Walters performance as a player is far better than alot of our fans' performances as supporters on a match day. Bang on the money. We love a scapegoat and SJW fits the bill.
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Post by Gods on Jan 27, 2014 10:28:47 GMT
This is the walters-wank-weekly I'll hazard a guess that Arnie lost the ball as often as Walters yesterday but he looked bloody good in doing it so he is cut some extra slack
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Post by themarkwilsonturn on Jan 27, 2014 10:28:56 GMT
We're in a relegation battle, he's our hardest working and most committed player. It's a no brainer really. There isn't a manager in the league that would take him out of the team because most people know what it takes to grind out results. If we had some quality come in then great, drop Walters and get some quality in. But at this time there is no player of significant quality in the squad to make up for the grit we would lose by dropping him. So get behind him, Walters represents Stoke the way we ourselves would - 110% on and off the pitch. Walters performance as a player is far better than alot of our fans' performances as supporters on a match day. At this moment in time we are in a relegation battle and your right we do need our most hard working/commited players, but these hard working/commited players need to have something more about them! They can't just run around giving 100% winning the occasional tackle/freekick. For as much effort Walters gives he also makes up for it by giving the ball straight back to the opposition time and time again, making us vunerable when the opposition are on the break, it's dangerous and i'm suprised we haven't been punished alot more for it. I'll always get behind a players 100% who put's on the red and white shirt, i'm merely pointing out his current performances and suggesting that we have got better. I'll be there come wednesday hoping that Walters turns up and has an absolute blinder but I think it's just wishful thinking. Whatever Hughes team selection I'll be behind it but we can't continue to excuse these performances come the final whistle.
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jan 27, 2014 10:29:24 GMT
he is toss, but not as toss as Arnie at the minute
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 27, 2014 10:32:46 GMT
The hard work and commitment arguement only works if he wins the ball and then does something with it or when he is passed the ball he keeps it long enough to pass it on. Niether still apply, they did once but no longer. Running up and down the pitch doesn't warrant a place in a ball game. Can't tackle, can't pass, can't. score, not a lot left really.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2014 10:34:05 GMT
Would it be a shock to see Wingie come in on the right on Wednesday? Sentinel"Either on the right side cutting in, or the left side cutting in, he can do both, and play through the middle of course.
"His versatility will help us, he's got ability on the ball and he has a goal in him.
"His age is not a concern to me… I played until I was 38.
"In this day and age 32 is not the issue it was in the good old days. Players are very conscious of what they need to do to make sure they are up to the best physical capacity."I instinctively like Walters' attitude, but increasingly I don't know what words like "grit", "commitment" and "hard-working" mean in the context of his entirely production-free, low-quality performances.
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Post by themarkwilsonturn on Jan 27, 2014 10:36:24 GMT
This is the walters-wank-weekly I'll hazard a guess that Arnie lost the ball as often as Walters yesterday but he looked bloody good in doing it so he is cut some extra slack Your bang on with your assessment of Arnie, he probably did lose the ball as much as Walters. As poor as he was at least he was trying to carry the ball forward and create something, unfortuntely when we did break forward there was absolotely no support whatsoever!
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 27, 2014 10:36:36 GMT
This is the walters-wank-weekly I'll hazard a guess that Arnie lost the ball as often as Walters yesterday but he looked bloody good in doing it so he is cut some extra slack yes and no, he did lose the ball a few times because there was noone quick enough to keep up or they were playing statues. Yesterday was the worst I have seen Walters play, it is becoming increasingly difficult to defend his selection, no other player has been given that privilege.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 27, 2014 10:41:10 GMT
Was also pondering him this morning myself. Apparently he always has great Opta stats, but it depends on which stats you are referring to
If its running around like a blue arsed fly stats hes probably quite high.
its its having any involvement in the success of Stoke stats I reckon hes very low for a forward
Goals per game ratio Penalties scored/missed ratio Assists per game ratio Chances created ratio Shots on target ratio Number of shots to goals ratio Forward passes ratio Successful dribbles ratio
I reckon that if you had stats for other Premier League forwards/strikers/wingers playing over 20 games a season Walters would appear near the bottom of most of those lists. Maybe not the bottom but definitely not in the top half. Even Adam Johnson has a good game and scores every now and then
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Post by elystokie on Jan 27, 2014 11:10:16 GMT
The hard work and commitment arguement only works if he wins the ball and then does something with it or when he is passed the ball he keeps it long enough to pass it on. Niether still apply, they did once but no longer. Running up and down the pitch doesn't warrant a place in a ball game. Can't tackle, can't pass, can't. score, not a lot left really. Just heading, and he's hardly proficient at that.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 27, 2014 11:11:53 GMT
We hear a lot of comments re what's in his contract ie "if fit he plays" I just wonder whether it does have a clause re his opta stats and if he covers the required amount of mileage he plays next match. It's a mystery alright time to bring in Sherlock, Poirot, Miss Marple and Scooby fucking Doo to solve it coz I haven't a fucking clue what makes MH pick him
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 27, 2014 11:12:26 GMT
I can see Odemwingie coming straight into the starting 11.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 11:16:50 GMT
If Walters had a twin he would have brought him on for the other wing,. Beyond belief this guy and it's getting beyond a joke. I ask anyone to re watch that match and find a reason he was not subbed. Do you think he'll take this hint and go to Ipswich www.jonathanwaters.co.uk/
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Post by stokiet90 on Jan 27, 2014 11:17:32 GMT
Never really been one to have a go at walters but its getting abit stupid now. If he could pass the ball to a stoke player he might not need do as much chasing back or battling for the ball because we could keep it abit longer. Him chasing back is only try to correct his mistakes. If we had a more attacking player in his position then we might not need do all the defending we have to do when walters loses the ball.
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