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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 21, 2013 16:30:45 GMT
I for one will certainly be interested in seeing how the january window pans out for a lot of clubs. If we are the first club to get stung by this supposed new stricter panel then Id imagine one or two other clubs will now be shitting it as they may have lined deals up with players who would similarly fail the process.
I also cant wait to see which of Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea or Spurs get one granted on appeal in January there's bound to be one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2013 16:37:25 GMT
So the panel was made up (taken from the other thread discussing this): "The panel will normally consist of representatives from the relevant football governing bodies together with up to three independent experts." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/222702/#ixzz2lIUKlfcX...so that means that the FA would have a representative on the panel. It's not a big leap of faith to suggest that they may have been listening to the widely reported comments from Dyke is it, the Chairman of the FA? Supposition maybe? But at least it's based on some facts. . There would be equal representation from the governing body and supposedly independent experts. Unless Dyke is angling for a full on showdown with the Premier League and directly influenced the panel, which I severely doubt, the requirements for exceptions haven't been tightened. As only two exceptions were granted this summer in the premier league perhaps our recruitment team have backed the wrong donkey? Supposition maybe? But at least it's based on some facts. As opposed to your complete and utter bollocks based upon your own agenda Best last sentence ever* on here. *today
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2013 16:40:26 GMT
There would be equal representation from the governing body and supposedly independent experts. Unless Dyke is angling for a full on showdown with the Premier League and directly influenced the panel, which I severely doubt, the requirements for exceptions haven't been tightened. As only two exceptions were granted this summer in the premier league perhaps our recruitment team have backed the wrong donkey? Supposition maybe? But at least it's based on some facts. As opposed to your complete and utter bollocks based upon your own agenda Best last sentence ever* on here. *today I saved that sentence for old Sheiky. I thought that was very appropriate for him and summed his view on this up perfectly.
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Post by wembley4372 on Nov 21, 2013 16:42:16 GMT
Could it just be that after reading on here how shit he is and won't get a game for years that the powers that be just decided not to try very hard with the panel?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 16:44:08 GMT
There would be equal representation from the governing body and supposedly independent experts. Unless Dyke is angling for a full on showdown with the Premier League and directly influenced the panel, which I severely doubt, the requirements for exceptions haven't been tightened. As only two exceptions were granted this summer in the premier league perhaps our recruitment team have backed the wrong donkey? Supposition maybe? But at least it's based on some facts. As opposed to your complete and utter bollocks based upon your own agenda Best last sentence ever* on here. *today It was lifted from UKC's post you daft tit
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2013 16:47:49 GMT
Best last sentence ever* on here. *today It was lifted from UKC's post you daft tit I can't tell You how disappointed I am.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2013 16:49:18 GMT
So the panel was made up (taken from the other thread discussing this): "The panel will normally consist of representatives from the relevant football governing bodies together with up to three independent experts." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/222702/#ixzz2lIUKlfcX...so that means that the FA would have a representative on the panel. It's not a big leap of faith to suggest that they may have been listening to the widely reported comments from Dyke is it, the Chairman of the FA? Supposition maybe? But at least it's based on some facts. . There would be equal representation from the governing body and supposedly independent experts. Unless Dyke is angling for a full on showdown with the Premier League and directly influenced the panel, which I severely doubt, the requirements for exceptions haven't been tightened. As only two exceptions were granted this summer in the premier league perhaps our recruitment team have backed the wrong donkey? Supposition maybe? But at least it's based on some facts. As opposed to your complete and utter bollocks based upon your own agenda Dyke isn't suggesting that at all. he's just wanting the bar to be raised so that less get through on appeal. Somebody on the panel ***may*** have taken that message on board. Not that tough to believe. You've presented not a jot of evidence to support your assertion that the panel turning down our appeal was down to the management team's incompetence. Not a fucking jot.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 17:23:46 GMT
There would be equal representation from the governing body and supposedly independent experts. Unless Dyke is angling for a full on showdown with the Premier League and directly influenced the panel, which I severely doubt, the requirements for exceptions haven't been tightened. As only two exceptions were granted this summer in the premier league perhaps our recruitment team have backed the wrong donkey? Supposition maybe? But at least it's based on some facts. As opposed to your complete and utter bollocks based upon your own agenda Dyke isn't suggesting that at all. he's just wanting the bar to be raised so that less get through on appeal. Somebody on the panel ***may*** have taken that message on board. Not that tough to believe. You've presented not a jot of evidence to support your assertion that the panel turning down our appeal was down to the management team's incompetence. Not a fucking jot. Errr so the fact that someone may have taken on board a three month old speech is 'not that tough to believe' but the fact that there have only been two exceptions granted since the end of January, we have a dreadful record in the American market and it is highly likely that no change in emphasis has been officially communicated is 'not a jot of evidence'! OK.
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Post by adi on Nov 21, 2013 17:45:48 GMT
So he's been denied a work permit?! Fuckers
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 21, 2013 17:51:03 GMT
So he's been denied a work permit?! Fuckers Who?
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Post by adi on Nov 21, 2013 17:56:23 GMT
So he's been denied a work permit?! Fuckers Who? In concert?! Where?!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 21, 2013 18:00:42 GMT
Rod Stewart at the Brit in June.
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Post by adi on Nov 21, 2013 18:09:17 GMT
Rod Stewart at the Brit in June. Supported by The Who? Now I'm confused...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 21, 2013 18:16:29 GMT
Rod Stewart at the Brit in June. Supported by The Who? Now I'm confused... Call the Doctor
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 21, 2013 19:54:53 GMT
Honestly I think this may be a blessing in disguise, now Denise whoops I mean Peter will have to bankroll a proven Prem striker at the going rate to have a chance of keeping us up.
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Post by frumpy on Nov 21, 2013 19:59:04 GMT
Oh really, that's quite funny in hindsight. I don't remember a single poster here wanting to pay any decent fee this summer to get Juan. Everyone wanted him for as cheap as possible, even free. Now because it didn't work out Stoke should have instead paid millions this summer to buy him outright? If Stoke paid what it would have taken to buy Juan in Aug, you likely would have crying about that too. That'd mean something if you suggested it in August, yet you didn't. You're just as guilty as the club. Now you just come across as big ol baby. Quit crying. Wait a minute shit fucking ant. There were dozens of threads discussing whether we should but him or not in the summer. Questioning how much we wanted him, how good he was if we weren't prepared to pay what everyone thought would be a about half a million quid to get him here early. So stop making things up you mouthy twat. No, sheik homo, you were not campaigning for this to be all wrapped up this summer and paying a decent transfer fee. You were more then happy having Juan arrive for free and thought it'd go through, as did most. Now you're throwing a little tantrum and acting like the club should have done different because it didn't work out. You're holding the club to higher standards than yourself. Everything's easier in hindsight. Club got fooked over. No one saw this coming. It sucks. But Stoke can still have him if they want. Can still have him here well before his 23rd birthday. All is not lost. But I admit, I like twat more than cock. You might too. Try it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 20:06:13 GMT
Wait a minute shit fucking ant. There were dozens of threads discussing whether we should but him or not in the summer. Questioning how much we wanted him, how good he was if we weren't prepared to pay what everyone thought would be a about half a million quid to get him here early. So stop making things up you mouthy twat. No, sheik homo, you were not campaigning for this to be all wrapped up this summer and paying a decent transfer fee. You were more then happy having Juan arrive for free and thought it'd go through, as did most. Now you're throwing a little tantrum and acting like the club should have done different because it didn't work out. You're holding the club to higher standards than yourself. Everything's easier in hindsight. Club got fooked over. No one saw this coming. It sucks. But Stoke can still have him if they want. Can still have him here well before his 23rd birthday. All is not lost. But I admit, I like twat more than cock. You might too. Try it. The American called me a homo, I mean how un-reconstructed are these septic's
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Post by frumpy on Nov 21, 2013 20:10:32 GMT
In general, looking past Juan, I'd be more pissed about what this means going forward with other prospects and that now it appears clubs will be extremely limited in bringing in foreign prospects. There will be much more competition for the few that prove themselves as stars and they'll cost more, hurting the smaller clubs. Paying less for a prospect who needs some development now appears to be a strategy that won't be as common for clubs and that hurts the smaller clubs in competing with the richest clubs.
Whether you like the American player or not this next generation has considerably more talent than the one before. It's not just about Juan. Now PL clubs like Stoke can't go after guys like Okugo, Gil, Yedlin, Villareal, Nagbe, Kitchen,O'neill(although think he has Irish passport) and a few other very good prospects in MLS. Now PL clubs would have to wait until they're fully in the national team and at that point more clubs will be competing for their services and they'll cost more. This new rule, or rather the tightening of the system means Stoke couldn't have brought in a guy like Cameron in the future. Whether you like Shea or not it means bringing in guys like Cameron/Shea will be much tougher to do. They'll likely start heading to the Bundesliga(no foreign limits) and cost a decent amount more to buy them at some point. That's a problem. There could be a draining of young talent in the PL outside of a few young stars(which cost larger fees) and English prospects.
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Post by jamrock on Nov 21, 2013 20:45:49 GMT
Rudolph Austin spring to mind? Wasn't Austin denied a work permit for Stoke then granted a work permit for Leeds the very next year? The FA might just not like you lot very much.
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 21, 2013 20:57:48 GMT
Rudolph Austin spring to mind? Wasn't Austin denied a work permit for Stoke then granted a work permit for Leeds the very next year? The FA might just not like you lot very much. I would keep him under contract until the appeal in four months, a small risk if he turns out to be a big talent, loan out to Spain in the meantime.
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Post by fromtheusa on Nov 21, 2013 21:02:56 GMT
Jamaicans can't get a break on permits from their Queen?
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Post by stokeyank on Nov 21, 2013 21:16:24 GMT
Klinsman spoke at the hearing, and I would be curious what he said. He made it clear he did not want Shea here (no, not trying get back on that topic), but I never heard much opinion from him on Agudelo. I would think that Stoke had assurances that he would speak highly of his talent, but who knows. Not saying Klinsman did anything to harm the appeal, just wondering what he said.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 21:31:56 GMT
Klinsman spoke at the hearing, and I would be curious what he said. He made it clear he did not want Shea here (no, not trying get back on that topic), but I never heard much opinion from him on Agudelo. I would think that Stoke had assurances that he would speak highly of his talent, but who knows. Not saying Klinsman did anything to harm the appeal, just wondering what he said. His submission would be written not personal.
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Post by adi on Nov 21, 2013 23:29:13 GMT
Supported by The Who? Now I'm confused... Call the Doctor He was just as confused. We're all pretty confused!
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Post by musik on Nov 22, 2013 2:23:57 GMT
Dank Joe! So it was because he hasn't played so many international games yet, we couldn't buy him? That's weird!
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Post by musik on Nov 22, 2013 2:25:20 GMT
What player are we buying now then?
John Guidetti?
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Post by mvtt on Nov 22, 2013 3:45:54 GMT
We can sign him, and loan him out until the summer right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 6:38:22 GMT
Rudolph Austin spring to mind? Wasn't Austin denied a work permit for Stoke then granted a work permit for Leeds the very next year? The FA might just not like you lot very much. Let's ignore the time he spent in Norway in between shall we?
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Post by Jimm on Nov 22, 2013 11:42:48 GMT
Brian Sciaretta ?@briansciaretta According to sources, Kenny Dalglish, Jurgen Klinsman, & Mark Hughes argued for Juan Agudelo in his unsuccessful WP appeal hearing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 11:44:28 GMT
Brian Sciaretta ?@briansciaretta According to sources, Kenny Dalglish, Jurgen Klinsman, & Mark Hughes argued for Juan Agudelo in his unsuccessful WP appeal hearing Kenny Dalglish? Thats interesting.
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