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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 7:45:10 GMT
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Post by huuuuuth on Nov 5, 2013 7:52:50 GMT
Good to see a couple of champ clubs have asked about Shea. Both the club and him need a spell of him playing regularly. Hopefully the permit hearing goes smoothly, but it's us, so fuck knows how it'll turn out :-D
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Post by jeycov on Nov 5, 2013 8:06:22 GMT
Even more reason to have at least two or more strikers lined up for the beginning of January. We need at least one new addition who can be available for selection for most of that months games imo
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Post by dadofsam on Nov 5, 2013 9:07:29 GMT
Perhaps the manager will spend the day babysitting the hearing while the most important transfer window since promotion happens without him?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 5, 2013 9:49:46 GMT
Perhaps the manager will spend the day babysitting the hearing while the most important transfer window since promotion happens without him? As the work permit appeal is next month (that's December) it is difficult to see how Hughes' presence at the hearing would prejudice a transfer window which doesn't even open until January. But if you know different, I am willing to listen!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2013 9:56:30 GMT
Perhaps the manager will spend the day babysitting the hearing while the most important transfer window since promotion happens without him? Tone knew he could trust the Beswicks Boys and Scholes to bring home the bacon.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 5, 2013 10:04:25 GMT
Perhaps the manager will spend the day babysitting the hearing while the most important transfer window since promotion happens without him? Brilliant !!! Ha ha
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 5, 2013 10:18:24 GMT
Perhaps the manager will spend the day babysitting the hearing while the most important transfer window since promotion happens without him? Tone knew he could trust the Beswicks Boys and Scholes to bring home the bacon. And all the men in suits delivered was a half empty bag of pork scratchings. Catrwright and his cronies really need to justify their no doubt huge salaries this January with something positive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 10:21:01 GMT
the Brek Shea thing shouldn't be an issue at all. he has a work permit so him going on loan would actually be a good thing as he would then be "Working"..it would be worse to just leave him here doing sod all.
Dyke's little push isn't relevant either....the work permit rules are already in place and just because Dyke wants more homegrown talent coming through, he can't just deny someone a work permit if they fit the criteria. he'd have to change the rules surrounding the approval of work permits to go in line with his homegrown push BEFORE it would affect anything.
plus the fact that his gripe isn't to do with foreign players coming in but the fact that too many don't fit the criteria laid out but get in anyway. 30% of the players that were signed to English teams in the summer didn't meet the work permit criteria but got through after appeal (Willian and Cristian Cuevas at Chelsea are examples) and it's THIS he's trying to clamp down on (and also tighten up regs for renewals of work permits for players already here). until any of these rules change though, as long as the players fit the criteria then he literally can't refuse the application.
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Post by keasie1863 on Nov 5, 2013 10:57:54 GMT
Perhaps the manager will spend the day babysitting the hearing while the most important transfer window since promotion happens without him? Ouch!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2013 11:03:03 GMT
Tone knew he could trust the Beswicks Boys and Scholes to bring home the bacon. And all the men in suits delivered was a half empty bag of pork scratchings. Catrwright and his cronies really need to justify their no doubt huge salaries this January with something positive. Yep the Preston pen pusher and the Colwyn Bay keeper, doing their best back at base. Probably not enough Beswicks clients or shit Americans available that window.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 12:50:54 GMT
His work permit hearing is going to be based upon the relevant laws of UK, not what Greg Dyke said
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 12:54:54 GMT
His work permit hearing is going to be based upon the relevant laws of UK, not what Greg Dyke said I thought he fails the criteria based on his non-appearances for the USA?
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 5, 2013 12:57:44 GMT
And all the men in suits delivered was a half empty bag of pork scratchings. Catrwright and his cronies really need to justify their no doubt huge salaries this January with something positive. Yep the Preston pen pusher and the Colwyn Bay keeper, doing their best back at base. Probably not enough Beswicks clients or shit Americans available that window. You not much for arnautavic, muniesa or pieters then momo? Course not.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2013 13:02:19 GMT
Yep the Preston pen pusher and the Colwyn Bay keeper, doing their best back at base. Probably not enough Beswicks clients or shit Americans available that window. You not much for arnautavic, muniesa or pieters then momo? Course not. that was a different transfer window old fruit. Incidentally in the window we are talking about, Tone went to the SHea hearing under the impression that Erik was a done deal but somehow THE PPP and ex CBK managed to fuck it up.......or perhaps this is where we can trace back the commencement of the men in suits taking over...........
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 5, 2013 13:12:29 GMT
His work permit hearing is going to be based upon the relevant laws of UK, not what Greg Dyke said What are the regs for the work permit? Does it still look at so many national caps or something of that ilk?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 14:51:51 GMT
His work permit hearing is going to be based upon the relevant laws of UK, not what Greg Dyke said What are the regs for the work permit? Does it still look at so many national caps or something of that ilk? That's a big factor (apart from all the times that teams find a way around it). Probably comes down to how fit his missus is
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Post by kitkatkev on Nov 5, 2013 15:07:24 GMT
You not much for arnautavic, muniesa or pieters then momo? Course not. that was a different transfer window old fruit. Incidentally in the window we are talking about, Tone went to the SHea hearing under the impression that Erik was a done deal but somehow THE PPP and ex CBK managed to fuck it up.......or perhaps this is where we can trace back the commencement of the men in suits taking over........... Bang on this is when things went pear shaped
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 5, 2013 15:14:33 GMT
Perhaps the manager will spend the day babysitting the hearing while the most important transfer window since promotion happens without him? Fail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:21:24 GMT
His work permit hearing is going to be based upon the relevant laws of UK, not what Greg Dyke said What are the regs for the work permit? Does it still look at so many national caps or something of that ilk? 75% of the national teams competitive matches over the last 2 years...that can be appealed against though (Willian and Cuevas for Chelsea for instance...Willian has not played enough matches for Brazil to allow him a permit but Chelsea argued that if it was any other nation other than Brazil he would have but it's due to their high level....Cuevas has only played U20 games but because he went on loan to Holland he only needs to meet Dutch work permit laws and will come back when he achieves ours). basically it's all to do with justifying that the talent coming in will add to and improve the English Leagues so as long as you can argue that then the FA will look at the appeal
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 5, 2013 15:25:16 GMT
What are the regs for the work permit? Does it still look at so many national caps or something of that ilk? That's a big factor (apart from all the times that teams find a way around it). Probably comes down to how fit his missus isI'm happy with that
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Post by fromtheusa on Nov 5, 2013 15:25:16 GMT
Rules have been bent for Americans before. How the hell did Robbie Rogers get a work permit?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 5, 2013 15:26:11 GMT
Rules have been bent for Americans before. How the hell did Robbie Rogers get a work permit?
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Post by kitkatkev on Nov 5, 2013 15:28:53 GMT
This has got F*** up all over it. I can see the headline now FA get tough Stoke are refused work permit
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 5, 2013 15:29:49 GMT
You not much for arnautavic, muniesa or pieters then momo? Course not. that was a different transfer window old fruit. Incidentally in the window we are talking about, Tone went to the SHea hearing under the impression that Erik was a done deal but somehow THE PPP and ex CBK managed to fuck it up.......or perhaps this is where we can trace back the commencement of the men in suits taking over........... Didn't Pieters get injured so the deal was put on hold? Or did TP get his priorities wrong? Concentrate on getting a left back who was desperately needed, or try get a left winger that he viewed as for next season?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:32:42 GMT
This has got F*** up all over it. I can see the headline now FA get tough Stoke are refused work permit as long as Agudelo fits the criteria they can't refuse it! they would have to change the rules beforehand to allow it to be refused
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:41:10 GMT
What are the regs for the work permit? Does it still look at so many national caps or something of that ilk? 75% of the national teams competitive matches over the last 2 years...that can be appealed against though (Willian and Cuevas for Chelsea for instance...Willian has not played enough matches for Brazil to allow him a permit but Chelsea argued that if it was any other nation other than Brazil he would have but it's due to their high level....Cuevas has only played U20 games but because he went on loan to Holland he only needs to meet Dutch work permit laws and will come back when he achieves ours). basically it's all to do with justifying that the talent coming in will add to and improve the English Leagues so as long as you can argue that then the FA will look at the appeal This takes me back to the original post and point. Brek Shea is the biggest and most hyped talent from the US. How the hell are we going to convince the panel that Agudelo will add to the league/country when their brightest star is being loaned out only 12 months after signing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:50:09 GMT
75% of the national teams competitive matches over the last 2 years...that can be appealed against though (Willian and Cuevas for Chelsea for instance...Willian has not played enough matches for Brazil to allow him a permit but Chelsea argued that if it was any other nation other than Brazil he would have but it's due to their high level....Cuevas has only played U20 games but because he went on loan to Holland he only needs to meet Dutch work permit laws and will come back when he achieves ours). basically it's all to do with justifying that the talent coming in will add to and improve the English Leagues so as long as you can argue that then the FA will look at the appeal This takes me back to the original post and point. Brek Shea is the biggest and most hyped talent from the US. How the hell are we going to convince the panel that Agudelo will add to the league/country when their brightest star is being loaned out only 12 months after signing? as long as he's played 75% of the competitive matches for the US over the last 2 years then they don't need to convince anyone of anything (has he? he's played 17 times I think but not sure how many competitive games US have played), he'll get a work permit. you only need to actually convince the panel if they don't meet that criteria
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Post by fromtheusa on Nov 5, 2013 15:52:29 GMT
75% of the national teams competitive matches over the last 2 years...that can be appealed against though (Willian and Cuevas for Chelsea for instance...Willian has not played enough matches for Brazil to allow him a permit but Chelsea argued that if it was any other nation other than Brazil he would have but it's due to their high level....Cuevas has only played U20 games but because he went on loan to Holland he only needs to meet Dutch work permit laws and will come back when he achieves ours). basically it's all to do with justifying that the talent coming in will add to and improve the English Leagues so as long as you can argue that then the FA will look at the appeal This takes me back to the original post and point. Brek Shea is the biggest and most hyped talent from the US. How the hell are we going to convince the panel that Agudelo will add to the league/country when their brightest star is being loaned out only 12 months after signing? I'm not trying to rant on Shea, but it's near fact that Shea sucks and always has. Yet you can see he is one of the most popular players even when he embarrasses himself in most games. I'm convinced the panel cares about money more then any one wants to believe. Honestly who doesn't bend rules when profits can be increased.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 15:54:38 GMT
This takes me back to the original post and point. Brek Shea is the biggest and most hyped talent from the US. How the hell are we going to convince the panel that Agudelo will add to the league/country when their brightest star is being loaned out only 12 months after signing? I'm not trying to rant on Shea, but it's near fact that Shea sucks and always has. Yet you can see he is one of the most popular players even when he embarrasses himself in most games. I'm convinced the panel cares about money more then any one wants to believe. Honestly who doesn't bend rules when profits can be increased. what money would the FA have got by giving Shea a work permit? if US fans love Shea (rightly or wrongly) then fair enough Stoke may sell more shirts but how would the FA make money out of it?
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