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Post by playhowwewant on Nov 21, 2013 11:06:34 GMT
Just to get things back on the topic and apologies if this has already been raised, but can we appeal or is the desicion final ? The decision is final and no explanation will be given as to why it was refused. Apologies again if covered, but presumably the only way of getting a permit is for example by playing more international football. Also please tell me we would have caveated within the transfer that any money changing hands was pending a work permit and we haven't actually signed a player who can't get in the country.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 21, 2013 11:22:36 GMT
The decision is final and no explanation will be given as to why it was refused. Apologies again if covered, but presumably the only way of getting a permit is for example by playing more international football. Also please tell me we would have caveated within the transfer that any money changing hands was pending a work permit and we haven't actually signed a player who can't get in the country. I'm assuming he could get in the country, but could not work for Stoke City. In theory, I think we could get him training with us while we look for a loan move abroad [but he could not be paid by SCFC, I think]. Although the tone of the story on the official website suggests it's now completely dead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 11:27:17 GMT
I blame Pulis/Hughes (delete as applicable/agenda).
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 21, 2013 11:31:13 GMT
I blame Pulis/Hughes/Coates/Cartwright/scholes/Walters/N'Zonzi(delete as applicable/agenda).
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Post by djduncanjames on Nov 21, 2013 11:31:55 GMT
The FA are corrupt, we all know that. If we were Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, this transfer would have gone through no problem. I think we should fight fire with fire, and aim to get him a Maltese passport as stated earlier in this thread. I know there's a lot of bullshitters on this forum but surely someone here must have a link to the club, maybe a contact to one of the coaches. Why isn't this idea proposed. Imagine how butthurt the FA would be if we went ahead and did that. They would be furious, but in that fury, they would expose their hypocrisy because Willian, and all these other transfers would be scrutinized. Just a question, maybe some Americans would know. Would Agudelo lose his American citizenship if he took a Maltese passport? I'm unsure if the U.S. allows multiple citizenship, whereas I know Canada does?
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 21, 2013 11:39:02 GMT
The FA are corrupt, we all know that. If we were Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, this transfer would have gone through no problem. I think we should fight fire with fire, and aim to get him a Maltese passport as stated earlier in this thread. I know there's a lot of bullshitters on this forum but surely someone here must have a link to the club, maybe a contact to one of the coaches. Why isn't this idea proposed. Imagine how butthurt the FA would be if we went ahead and did that. They would be furious, but in that fury, they would expose their hypocrisy because Willian, and all these other transfers would be scrutinized. Just a question, maybe some Americans would know. Would Agudelo lose his American citizenship if he took a Maltese passport? I'm unsure if the U.S. allows multiple citizenship, whereas I know Canada does? I know somebody with a UK and US passport....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 11:49:18 GMT
Apologies again if covered, but presumably the only way of getting a permit is for example by playing more international football. Also please tell me we would have caveated within the transfer that any money changing hands was pending a work permit and we haven't actually signed a player who can't get in the country. I'm assuming he could get in the country, but could not work for Stoke City. In theory, I think we could get him training with us while we look for a loan move abroad [but he could not be paid by SCFC, I think]. Although the tone of the story on the official website suggests it's now completely dead. Could we loan him to a scot club? I'm sure this is how Ric Fuller obtained his work permit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 12:12:59 GMT
I blame Pulis/Hughes/Coates/Cartwright/scholes/Walters/N'Zonzi(delete as applicable/agenda). you forgot kitson!
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 21, 2013 12:18:57 GMT
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2013 12:19:58 GMT
The FA are corrupt, we all know that. If we were Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, this transfer would have gone through no problem. I think we should fight fire with fire, and aim to get him a Maltese passport as stated earlier in this thread. I know there's a lot of bullshitters on this forum but surely someone here must have a link to the club, maybe a contact to one of the coaches. Why isn't this idea proposed. Imagine how butthurt the FA would be if we went ahead and did that. They would be furious, but in that fury, they would expose their hypocrisy because Willian, and all these other transfers would be scrutinized. Just a question, maybe some Americans would know. Would Agudelo lose his American citizenship if he took a Maltese passport? I'm unsure if the U.S. allows multiple citizenship, whereas I know Canada does? It would appear he could lose his US citizenship. travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html"However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship."
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2013 12:21:46 GMT
I just don't get this blaming Scholes, Cartwight and Beswicks for this. He was a decent target - especially on a free. By all previous standards this should have sailed through on appeal (as I guess the club thought too). We've just got royally screwed by the authorities. So how can our Chief Exec/technical director/local agents be to blame? Please shed some light on this Sheiky, Bombas, wearestoke80 et al. The silence is deafening. Come on guys, tell us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 12:24:13 GMT
I just don't get this blaming Scholes, Cartwight and Beswicks for this. He was a decent target - especially on a free. By all previous standards this should have sailed through on appeal (as I guess the club thought too). We've just got royally screwed by the authorities. So how can our Chief Exec/technical director/local agents be to blame? Please shed some light on this Sheiky, Bombas, wearestoke80 et al. The silence is deafening. Come on guys, tell us. I've answered on this thread.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2013 12:37:44 GMT
The silence is deafening. Come on guys, tell us. I've answered on this thread. What? We should have signed him in the summer? When we offered £700k to the MLS and got turned down. You haven't said why it's their fault though have you? Please explain why an arbitrary decision from a Home Office panel is the fault of our Chief Exec/technical director/local agents? A decision which would have gone our way in pretty much all the previous submissions. You can blame that lot for many things, but this is scraping the barrel and just not true.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 21, 2013 12:38:17 GMT
Just a question, maybe some Americans would know. Would Agudelo lose his American citizenship if he took a Maltese passport? I'm unsure if the U.S. allows multiple citizenship, whereas I know Canada does? I know somebody with a UK and US passport.... I too have a friend with a full US Citizenship, but he was born in this country, so I don't know if the rules differ when applying for dual Citizenship's elsewhere. I've emailed Tony Scholes and asked him if he plans to rectify the situation or if he's just going to allow it to fizzle out? Knowing Tony, he'll do fuck all, in both cases... that's what he's good at after all. It's a shame that we don't fight fire with fire as a team. If this Man Utd, they'd have been granted the work permit, but hypothetically, IF they hadn't been, they'd have already bought his Maltese Citizenship and he'd be waiving to 'mom and daaaad' from the window of the next plane to Manchester Airport.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2013 12:41:07 GMT
I know somebody with a UK and US passport.... I too have a friend with a full US Citizenship, but he was born in this country, so I don't know if the rules differ when applying for dual Citizenship's elsewhere. I've emailed Tony Scholes and asked him if he plans to rectify the situation or if he's just going to allow it to fizzle out? Knowing Tony, he'll do fuck all, in both cases... that's what he's good at after all. It's a shame that we don't fight fire with fire as a team. If this Man Utd, they'd have been granted the work permit, but hypothetically, IF they hadn't been, they'd have already bought his Maltese Citizenship and he'd be waiving to 'mom and daaaad' from the window of the next plane to Manchester Airport. See my link above mate. They can hold duel citizenship in cases like that, but if he applied for a Maltese passport then he would very well lose his US citizenship.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 21, 2013 12:46:46 GMT
I'm assuming he could get in the country, but could not work for Stoke City. In theory, I think we could get him training with us while we look for a loan move abroad [but he could not be paid by SCFC, I think]. Although the tone of the story on the official website suggests it's now completely dead. Could we loan him to a scot club? I'm sure this is how Ric Fuller obtained his work permit? I imagine for visa issues, the UK is considered a single country. So you are rejected from working in the entire UK. Quite happy if someone more knowledgeable me could tell us otherwise though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 12:51:37 GMT
I've answered on this thread. What? We should have signed him in the summer? When we offered £700k to the MLS and got turned down. You haven't said why it's their fault though have you? Please explain why an arbitrary decision from a Home Office panel is the fault of our Chief Exec/technical director/local agents? A decision which would have gone our way in pretty much all the previous submissions. You can blame that lot for many things, but this is scraping the barrel and just not true. I've said that one option that we failed to succeed on along with getting anther fucking striker. Did we adapt our case in light of Dyke's comments? What legal advice did we take? Did we have an answer for why most of other American imports have been disastrous and not benefitted English Football or Stoke City? Or did we turn up half arsed thinking it was in the bag?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2013 12:53:18 GMT
What? We should have signed him in the summer? When we offered £700k to the MLS and got turned down. You haven't said why it's their fault though have you? Please explain why an arbitrary decision from a Home Office panel is the fault of our Chief Exec/technical director/local agents? A decision which would have gone our way in pretty much all the previous submissions. You can blame that lot for many things, but this is scraping the barrel and just not true. I've said that one option that we failed to succeed on along with getting anther fucking striker. Did we adapt our case in light of Dyke's comments? What legal advice did we take? Did we have an answer for why most of other American imports have been disastrous and not benefitted English Football or Stoke City? Or did we turn up half arsed thinking it was in the bag? We asked a firm of experienced local sports lawyers who do this sort of thing, day in, day ouy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 12:53:45 GMT
It's dissapointing but I won't be losing much sleep over it.
He was never the immediate answer to our problems. Even if we got the work permit I wouldn't have been putting all our eggs in that basket.
I'm pretty confident Hughes will still be targeting a centre forward as his top priority in Jan.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 21, 2013 12:56:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 12:57:47 GMT
I think we should just move on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 12:59:59 GMT
I've said that one option that we failed to succeed on along with getting anther fucking striker. Did we adapt our case in light of Dyke's comments? What legal advice did we take? Did we have an answer for why most of other American imports have been disastrous and not benefitted English Football or Stoke City? Or did we turn up half arsed thinking it was in the bag? We asked a firm of experienced local sports lawyers who do this sort of thing, day in, day ouy. Who also represent the player. No conflict there!
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 21, 2013 13:01:48 GMT
Wow, so we brought in the big guns to be fair. Mourinho must be really good at fellatio to get Willian's work permit.
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Post by hollybush on Nov 21, 2013 13:03:46 GMT
momo and his cohort of pulis-droolers aren't stunned at all. They know exactly who's to blame(at least in their tiny mono-maniacal minds)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 13:04:42 GMT
momo and his cohort of pulis-droolers aren't stunned at all. They know exactly who's to blame(at least in their tiny mono-maniacal minds) You've brought Pulis into it. Congratulations, you are our moron of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 13:05:21 GMT
What? We should have signed him in the summer? When we offered £700k to the MLS and got turned down. You haven't said why it's their fault though have you? Please explain why an arbitrary decision from a Home Office panel is the fault of our Chief Exec/technical director/local agents? A decision which would have gone our way in pretty much all the previous submissions. You can blame that lot for many things, but this is scraping the barrel and just not true. I've said that one option that we failed to succeed on along with getting anther fucking striker. Did we adapt our case in light of Dyke's comments? What legal advice did we take? Did we have an answer for why most of other American imports have been disastrous and not benefitted English Football or Stoke City? Or did we turn up half arsed thinking it was in the bag? Until there's a reasonable amount of evidence one way or the other mightn't it be an idea to keep one's powder dry a bit rather than wildly lashing out at our favourite scapegoats du jour?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2013 13:05:29 GMT
We asked a firm of experienced local sports lawyers who do this sort of thing, day in, day ouy. Who also represent the player. No conflict there! I don't think it matters. Use the experts. Also see Grapey's link. The big guns were fired, the panel ignored. What more can they do?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 13:05:45 GMT
momo and his cohort of pulis-droolers aren't stunned at all. They know exactly who's to blame(at least in their tiny mono-maniacal minds) You've brought Pulis into it. Congratulations, you are our moron of the day. You get testimony from senior figures with experience of the player in all these cases.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 21, 2013 13:06:39 GMT
I've said that one option that we failed to succeed on along with getting anther fucking striker. Did we adapt our case in light of Dyke's comments? What legal advice did we take? Did we have an answer for why most of other American imports have been disastrous and not benefitted English Football or Stoke City? Or did we turn up half arsed thinking it was in the bag? Until there's a reasonable amount of evidence one way or the other mightn't it be an idea to keep one's powder dry a bit rather than wildly lashing out at our favourite scapegoats du jour? What like Romanians, independent experts etc?
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Post by hollybush on Nov 21, 2013 13:07:10 GMT
momo and his cohort of pulis-droolers aren't stunned at all. They know exactly who's to blame(at least in their tiny mono-maniacal minds) You've brought Pulis into it. Congratulations, you are our moron of the day. High praise indeed, O ruler of la-la land. To everybody else, you know the phrase 'you couldn't make it up'? Momo's never heard of it.
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