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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 19:02:39 GMT
"they're all as bad as each other". Far too simplistic. And wrong. Forget the sack cloth and ashes. Football followers around the world would love to see Europe take a lead. Europe is where they look to as the pinnacle of the sport. They simply don't have the negative view of Europe you assign to them. The fact UEFA won't act doesn't mean they couldn't. It's not though is it? Platini is knee deep in this shit and he knows it, he has too many fingers in the pies that are the most suspicious (Qatar) not to be. You really believe that? All the focus on Europe with the rest of the world taking a back seat, that's the exact problem here and is being highlighted by journalists from Africa etc. Why don't you think they will though, oh yeah it's because they're knee deep in shit! Let me put it this way; if UEFA are up to their knees in shit, FIFA are in it up to their necks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 19:05:14 GMT
It's not though is it? Platini is knee deep in this shit and he knows it, he has too many fingers in the pies that are the most suspicious (Qatar) not to be. You really believe that? All the focus on Europe with the rest of the world taking a back seat, that's the exact problem here and is being highlighted by journalists from Africa etc. Why don't you think they will though, oh yeah it's because they're knee deep in shit! Let me put it this way; if UEFA are up to their knees in shit, FIFA are in it up to their necks. So the status quo will remain unless they all go down.
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Post by enuntio on May 30, 2015 19:10:17 GMT
UEFA will be forced into action as soon as the sponsorships start to dry up. Some organisations do have morals, and these will refuse to allow their global brands to be tarnished by association. FIFA has to change and quite possibly UEFA but one question I would like to ask is, Do we actually need a world governing body?
Blatter Out, FIFA Out.
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 19:10:43 GMT
Let me put it this way; if UEFA are up to their knees in shit, FIFA are in it up to their necks. So the status quo will remain unless they all go down. This is also what I think will happen. Nothing. Unless - and it's a distant hope - UEFA decide to act. They are the only ones that can effect change.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 20:49:46 GMT
Anybody fancy a FIFA sandwich?
Loads of bread, something fishy and I Can't Believe It's Not Blatter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 21:14:27 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2015 21:17:02 GMT
So the status quo will remain unless they all go down. This is also what I think will happen. Nothing. Unless - and it's a distant hope - UEFA decide to act. They are the only ones that can effect change. The Premier League are very, very powerful, more powerful than a lot of people give them credit for. All this talk of nations withdrawing from FIFA competitions be it unilaterally or as a block, might be to actually look at it from completely the wrong angle. It would be interesting to see what wheels would be set in motion if the Premier League announced in the next 12 months, that come 2022 there would be no suspension in any way shape or form of their competition to accommodate FIFA's winter World Cup. Sky pay billions to have the Premier League staged in the months they expect it to be staged, just why should they have their investment compromised because it's too hot to play footy in Qatar in the summer? Did one delegate who voted for Qatar ponder this question at the time? Did they buggery! FIFA can't force the Premiership to suspend it's league and as a result, every club would be given six years notice that the competition would carry on regardless. That would mean that every contract drawn up between Premiership clubs and players over the next six years would see the clubs ensuring that the players agreed that come the time, the players would have to choose club before country. Ah but don't FIFA require that individual clubs release players to play in international matches? Yes they do but only for a period of more than two consecutive games IN THE SUMMER when their domestic league is suspended. Could you imagine a World Cup missing all the players from the Premiership? It would be a total farce. The real power here could come from the Premier League itself rather than from the FA or UEFA.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 21:19:45 GMT
The head of UEFA voted for Qatar!
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Post by lordb on May 30, 2015 21:23:34 GMT
FIFA can sanction players for not being available for their national teams. Premier League,the FA,England cannot act alone. Futile at best. It's UEFA or not at all. The other best hope is FBI,or any other organisation succeeds in bringing Blatter to justice and then UEFA acts. Platini had to act now it be damned.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2015 21:31:54 GMT
FIFA can sanction players for not being available for their national teams. Premier League,the FA,England cannot act alone. Futile at best. It's UEFA or not at all. The other best hope is FBI,or any other organisation succeeds in bringing Blatter to justice and then UEFA acts. Platini had to act now it be damned. That's the whole point Will, they can't sanction players for not being available in the winter for more than two games. And even if they tried to, The lawyers would have a field day and I bet you a pound to a penny, the courts would rule in favour of the players/clubs/Premier League. It's going to take this sort of approach to bring it down, not boycott's of competitions.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2015 21:32:30 GMT
The head of UEFA voted for Qatar! Exactly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 21:35:35 GMT
The head of UEFA voted for Qatar! Exactly. I think the only hope here is the FBI and then the pigs squealing in the subsequent default mode of everyone-self preservation.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 30, 2015 21:38:56 GMT
I think the only hope here is the FBI and then the pigs squealing in the subsequent default mode of everyone-self preservation. It might turn out that the FBI is the only hope mate. I still haven't heard a convincing argument as to why the Premier League refusing to suspend it's competition in 2022 might not work though as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 21:53:36 GMT
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Post by march4 on May 30, 2015 22:24:49 GMT
Sunday Times suggests Swiss prosecutors are targetting Blatter and they also say former UK law chief claims FBI to question Blatter.
Has it not been The Times and the BBC who have led the campaign against FIFA?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 22:31:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 23:11:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 7:55:36 GMT
This is also what I think will happen. Nothing. Unless - and it's a distant hope - UEFA decide to act. They are the only ones that can effect change. The Premier League are very, very powerful, more powerful than a lot of people give them credit for. All this talk of nations withdrawing from FIFA competitions be it unilaterally or as a block, might be to actually look at it from completely the wrong angle. It would be interesting to see what wheels would be set in motion if the Premier League announced in the next 12 months, that come 2022 there would be no suspension in any way shape or form of their competition to accommodate FIFA's winter World Cup. Sky pay billions to have the Premier League staged in the months they expect it to be staged, just why should they have their investment compromised because it's too hot to play footy in Qatar in the summer? Did one delegate who voted for Qatar ponder this question at the time? Did they buggery! FIFA can't force the Premiership to suspend it's league and as a result, every club would be given six years notice that the competition would carry on regardless. That would mean that every contract drawn up between Premiership clubs and players over the next six years would see the clubs ensuring that the players agreed that come the time, the players would have to choose club before country. Ah but don't FIFA require that individual clubs release players to play in international matches? Yes they do but only for a period of more than two consecutive games IN THE SUMMER when their domestic league is suspended. Could you imagine a World Cup missing all the players from the Premiership? It would be a total farce. The real power here could come from the Premier League itself rather than from the FA or UEFA. Great piece of conjecture Paul, the Premier League really is the big dog in all this and Scudamore has yet to reveal his hand. He certainly won't be pushed around by FIFA or Blatter, this guy is as ruthless and as powerful as Bernie Ecclestone. There are multiple posible scenario's at play now and I must admit I find it all far too difficult to call, yet at the same time it's really fascinating to observe. Clearly the curtain is about to fall on Blatter's leading role even if the nature of the final act is as clear as mud. Fortunately for us, the unfolding story arc is far more amusing than Eastenders. As MickMills has been known to say "pass the popcorn and sit back".
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 7:57:23 GMT
Sunday Times suggests Swiss prosecutors are targetting Blatter and they also say former UK law chief claims FBI to question Blatter. Has it not been The Times and the BBC who have led the campaign against FIFA? The British press have been on his case, en masse, for years March.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 8:45:04 GMT
PRINCE WILLIAM this morning and showed his dismay over the matter....
GREGG DYKE said that he didn't think that BLATTER would last another 4 years (well thats reassuring to know isn't it ?)
Being honest , and I appreciate it's not an easy one to deal with , I think that the FA need to show more positive initiative on this matter as it is our national game afterall .
ALL I see Dyke doing is giving interviews STATING THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS instead of directly taking the fight directly to other interested parties and asking what they are collectively going to do ?
It's all very pathetic posturing with little or no bite. Fancy saying that he doesn't see Blatter here in four more years ....FfS !
A WASTE OF SPACE LIKE A LOT MORE ON THE TOP TABLE.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 12:36:21 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2015 14:58:47 GMT
Andy Burnham should keep a sensible professional distance. Easier said than done I know
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Post by march4 on May 31, 2015 15:21:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 15:43:06 GMT
PRINCE WILLIAM this morning and showed his dismay over the matter.... GREGG DYKE said that he didn't think that BLATTER would last another 4 years (well thats reassuring to know isn't it ?) Being honest , and I appreciate it's not an easy one to deal with , I think that the FA need to show more positive initiative on this matter as it is our national game afterall . ALL I see Dyke doing is giving interviews STATING THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS instead of directly taking the fight directly to other interested parties and asking what they are collectively going to do ? It's all very pathetic posturing with little or no bite. Fancy saying that he doesn't see Blatter here in four more years ....FfS ! A WASTE OF SPACE LIKE A LOT MORE ON THE TOP TABLE. Not a royalist by any stretch but has Prince Wills chucked his hat in the ring? Would have the weight of the common wealth behind him
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Post by slash on May 31, 2015 22:32:26 GMT
What did the countries or whoever was bribing the FIFA officials get in exchange for their bribes?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 0:34:54 GMT
What did the countries or whoever was bribing the FIFA officials get in exchange for their bribes? FIFA membership votes in the case of nations and advertising rights and exclusivity in the case of sponsors. Vote rigging was almost certainly in the case of South Africa's illegal $10mill payment to FIFA's former VP - Jack Warner. The thrust of the other lines of investigation currently under way are looking into the payment footprints from the Brazil tournament and more importantly the seriously flaky Russia & Qatar bid wins.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2015 22:57:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 0:56:16 GMT
Why does it? Europe is the absolute beating heart of the game both emotionally and financially. We are hugely taken for granted and this is a big imbalance in FIFA's take on matters. Would you have given the 2022WC to Qatar? This aint no europhobia, this is corruption, man.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 2, 2015 11:54:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:59:50 GMT
Somebody's telling porky's Joe. FIFA's wheel on she goes....where she stops, nobody knows.
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