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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 12:28:01 GMT
Isn't this European arrogance that's being shown on this thread and by Platini one of the reasons Blatter does so well? Holding them to ransome won't win them over, we've got to be cleverer and we do want football to be a global game. No, he does so well because of blatant corrupt figures within the African and Asian game. UEFA is like the bee's stinger. If we pull out out the bee slowly dies a pretty painful death. And he realises that UEFA aren't needed to win. And UEFA won't pull out, you don't think Platini is squeaky clean do you? Look at his links to Qatar, he's knee deep. UEFA will do nothing.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2015 12:39:58 GMT
No, he does so well because of blatant corrupt figures within the African and Asian game. UEFA is like the bee's stinger. If we pull out out the bee slowly dies a pretty painful death. And he realises that UEFA aren't needed to win. And UEFA won't pull out, you don't think Platini is squeaky clean do you? Look at his links to Qatar, he's knee deep. UEFA will do nothing. Platini was a truly great player but once he became a powerbroker he dipped his head in the trough…. just like the rest of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 12:42:39 GMT
And he realises that UEFA aren't needed to win. And UEFA won't pull out, you don't think Platini is squeaky clean do you? Look at his links to Qatar, he's knee deep. UEFA will do nothing. Platini was a truly great player but once he became a powerbroker he dipped his head in the trough…. just like the rest of them. Yup! And why did France vote for Blatter.....look at the links with Qatar. PSG, Platini's son etc it's all there. Why did Spain vote fr Blatter.....look at the links with Qatar. Barcelona, Guardiola, Xaxi etc. They know which side their bread is buttered on.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2015 12:48:49 GMT
Platini was a truly great player but once he became a powerbroker he dipped his head in the trough…. just like the rest of them. Yup! And why did France vote for Blatter.....look at the links with Qatar. PSG, Platini's son etc it's all there. Why did Spain vote fr Blatter.....look at the links with Qatar. Barcelona, Guardiola, Xaxi etc. They know which side their bread is buttered on. Despite attempting to introduce financial fair play rules he contradicted himself by welcoming Qatar Sports Investments bankrolling Paris Saint Germain. Coincidentally, Platini’s son Laurent is a lawyer employed by PSG. On the global stage Platini voted for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup, despite now demanding conditions that weren’t part of the bid during the election in 2010.
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Post by upthefud on May 30, 2015 12:51:25 GMT
No, he does so well because of blatant corrupt figures within the African and Asian game. UEFA is like the bee's stinger. If we pull out out the bee slowly dies a pretty painful death. And he realises that UEFA aren't needed to win. And UEFA won't pull out, you don't think Platini is squeaky clean do you? Look at his links to Qatar, he's knee deep. UEFA will do nothing. I know that Platini is no better than the rest of them but pulling UEFA out of this organisation would restore a little of his credibility and could take any potential FBI interest off his head maybe? That's gotta be his thought process now given his dodgy Qatar links and given that that's the tournament under most scrutiny. UEFA have a chance to make a real change.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2015 12:52:06 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2015 12:58:37 GMT
And he realises that UEFA aren't needed to win. And UEFA won't pull out, you don't think Platini is squeaky clean do you? Look at his links to Qatar, he's knee deep. UEFA will do nothing. I know that Platini is no better than the rest of them but pulling UEFA out of this organisation would restore a little of his credibility and could take any potential FBI interest off his head maybe? That's gotta be his thought process now given his dodgy Qatar links and given that that's the tournament under most scrutiny. UEFA have a chance to make a real change. It might not be a popular view but IMHO view it is too late to withdraw from 2018. Emphasis should be on a re-vote for 2022 and if one is refused then a boycott should be put into place. But everyone has to do it. One nation boycotting, especially if it's England, will look foolish and do more harm than god.
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 12:59:15 GMT
Isn't this European arrogance that's being shown on this thread and by Platini one of the reasons Blatter does so well? Holding them to ransome won't win them over, we've got to be cleverer and we do want football to be a global game. Football is a global game. FIFA doesn't make it a global game. What FIFA is, is a parasite attached to the game sucking it's blood. Football across the world would survive just fine without FIFA.
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Post by enuntio on May 30, 2015 13:05:46 GMT
Governing bodies in their entirety need drastically shaking up and reorganising, even a complete rebirth. I'm all for one man one vote, but without the back scratching. FIFA would loose if UEFA opted out. How much money is generated in Western Europe? How much sponsorship does this bring in? Is everybody happy being a part of a corrupt and underhand governing body? English football would survive on its own, it would even survive if we were thrown out of Europe.
there is a massive issue in Trust, and who should be trusted to dole out the money that FIFA has
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Post by upthefud on May 30, 2015 13:12:09 GMT
I know that Platini is no better than the rest of them but pulling UEFA out of this organisation would restore a little of his credibility and could take any potential FBI interest off his head maybe? That's gotta be his thought process now given his dodgy Qatar links and given that that's the tournament under most scrutiny. UEFA have a chance to make a real change. It might not be a popular view but IMHO view it is too late to withdraw from 2018. Emphasis should be on a re-vote for 2022 and if one is refused then a boycott should be put into place. But everyone has to do it. One nation boycotting, especially if it's England, will look foolish and do more harm than god. I'm inclined to agree that Russia is too late Joe, plus I know football and politics shouldn't mix but things could turn nasty, let's leave that WC alone. I'm boycotting all FIFA's major sponsors personally and hoping others take the same stance, I'd support any boycott whatsoever against this criminal organisation.
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Post by lordb on May 30, 2015 13:43:24 GMT
John Motson pointed out that FIFA has been utterly corrupt since 1974 when Havelange took over. Getting rid if Blatter isn't enough.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2015 14:02:06 GMT
John Motson pointed out that FIFA has been utterly corrupt since 1974 when Havelange took over. Getting rid if Blatter isn't enough. Havelange demanded World cup become more corporate.
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Post by nott1 on May 30, 2015 15:07:38 GMT
The world is full of corruption so what do we expect? It will never stop while money is to be made!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 15:27:32 GMT
And he realises that UEFA aren't needed to win. And UEFA won't pull out, you don't think Platini is squeaky clean do you? Look at his links to Qatar, he's knee deep. UEFA will do nothing. I know that Platini is no better than the rest of them but pulling UEFA out of this organisation would restore a little of his credibility and could take any potential FBI interest off his head maybe? That's gotta be his thought process now given his dodgy Qatar links and given that that's the tournament under most scrutiny. UEFA have a chance to make a real change. The FBI wouldn't give a shit if there's a conviction on the cards unless he started singing, then they'd listen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 15:30:08 GMT
Isn't this European arrogance that's being shown on this thread and by Platini one of the reasons Blatter does so well? Holding them to ransome won't win them over, we've got to be cleverer and we do want football to be a global game. Football is a global game. FIFA doesn't make it a global game. What FIFA is, is a parasite attached to the game sucking it's blood. Football across the world would survive just fine without FIFA. It is but when you've got people banging on about Europe this, Europe that, it's all about Europe you can see why they keep him in. And that's as may be but would we have had a World Cup in Africa etc if the old European bods stayed in? I doubt it. There needs to be a happy medium and all this talk about Europe being the centre of the footballing universe won't help.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 15:37:40 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 15:49:33 GMT
Football is a global game. FIFA doesn't make it a global game. What FIFA is, is a parasite attached to the game sucking it's blood. Football across the world would survive just fine without FIFA. It is but when you've got people banging on about Europe this, Europe that, it's all about Europe you can see why they keep him in. And that's as may be but would we have had a World Cup in Africa etc if the old European bods stayed in? I doubt it. There needs to be a happy medium and all this talk about Europe being the centre of the footballing universe won't help. Cmon - it's the bosses of the football authorities in Africa no Asia who are feeding from the same FIFA lunch boxes who voted Blatter back in. It ain't "the people" which means it isn't the game itself in those countries.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 15:57:40 GMT
It is but when you've got people banging on about Europe this, Europe that, it's all about Europe you can see why they keep him in. And that's as may be but would we have had a World Cup in Africa etc if the old European bods stayed in? I doubt it. There needs to be a happy medium and all this talk about Europe being the centre of the footballing universe won't help. Cmon - it's the bosses of the football authorities in Africa no Asia who are feeding from the same FIFA lunch boxes who voted Blatter back in. It ain't "the people" which means it isn't the game itself in those countries. They are and I bet the UEFA ones aren't far behind either (2 of the biggest nations voted for Blatter for crying out loud, one being the nation the head of UEFA is from.....join the dots). As well as getting fuck loads of money they have been given more in terms of actual football. He's given them the world because he knows it's them who hold the power, not UEFA.
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 16:11:42 GMT
Cmon - it's the bosses of the football authorities in Africa no Asia who are feeding from the same FIFA lunch boxes who voted Blatter back in. It ain't "the people" which means it isn't the game itself in those countries. They are and I bet the UEFA ones aren't far behind either (2 of the biggest nations voted for Blatter for crying out loud, one being the nation the head of UEFA is from.....join the dots). As well as getting fuck loads of money they have been given more in terms of actual football. He's given them the world because he knows it's them who hold the power, not UEFA. Nope. The person who holds power is who generates the cash. And that is UEFA. If they pull out, the money will flood out of FIFA like water down a plug hole. FIFA has ended up with a "pseudo-socialist" system where election power is in the hands of the consumers of wealth rather than the creators of the wealth. When the creators choose to leave, the cash goes with them. UEFA has the power to destroy FIFA if it chooses to. (Of course UEFA is far from perfect and it has shown no signs today of having the sort of moral spine to carry out any action like I'm suggesting - but that is a separate point about their capacity to carry out significant action).
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 16:15:01 GMT
They are and I bet the UEFA ones aren't far behind either (2 of the biggest nations voted for Blatter for crying out loud, one being the nation the head of UEFA is from.....join the dots). As well as getting fuck loads of money they have been given more in terms of actual football. He's given them the world because he knows it's them who hold the power, not UEFA. Nope. The person who holds power is who generates the cash. And that is UEFA. If they pull out, the money will flood out of FIFA like water down a plug hole. FIFA has ended up with a "pseudo-socialist" system where election power is in the hands of the consumers of wealth rather than the creators of the wealth. When the creators choose to leave, the cash goes with them. UEFA has the power to destroy FIFA if it chooses to. (Of course UEFA is far from perfect and it has shown no signs today of having the sort of moral spine to carry out any action like I'm suggesting - but that is a separate point about their capacity to carry out significant action). If they had the power Blatter wouldn't be the leader of FIFA and there's nowt UEFA can realistically do (they aren't going to pull out of FIFA). This is exactly the Euro centralised viewpoint that the rest of the world don't like, it stems from Imperialism and carries on now, it's all about us fuck the rest. This is them sticking their fingers up to us.
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Post by enuntio on May 30, 2015 16:39:04 GMT
UEFA does have the power. Europe has the audience and the cash, and in professional football, cash is king. This is nothing short of farcical. The whole system has become to encumbered and bloated. the longer this drags on, the greater the damage it is time for change. Blatter Out. FIFA Out
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 17:06:26 GMT
Nope. The person who holds power is who generates the cash. And that is UEFA. If they pull out, the money will flood out of FIFA like water down a plug hole. FIFA has ended up with a "pseudo-socialist" system where election power is in the hands of the consumers of wealth rather than the creators of the wealth. When the creators choose to leave, the cash goes with them. UEFA has the power to destroy FIFA if it chooses to. (Of course UEFA is far from perfect and it has shown no signs today of having the sort of moral spine to carry out any action like I'm suggesting - but that is a separate point about their capacity to carry out significant action). If they had the power Blatter wouldn't be the leader of FIFA and there's nowt UEFA can realistically do (they aren't going to pull out of FIFA). This is exactly the Euro centralised viewpoint that the rest of the world don't like, it stems from Imperialism and carries on now, it's all about us fuck the rest. This is them sticking their fingers up to us. The regional FIFA bosses do not have any virtuous ideals (anti imperialist or otherwise). They're just pigs taking their turn at the trough and protecting their own interest. They have no concerns for anyone else and have no mandate for the wider world of football in their sphere of influence. In other words this isn't the rest of the world sticking their fingers up at us, it's about a handful of elite pigs sticking their arses up as they bury their noses in the swill.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 17:10:38 GMT
If they had the power Blatter wouldn't be the leader of FIFA and there's nowt UEFA can realistically do (they aren't going to pull out of FIFA). This is exactly the Euro centralised viewpoint that the rest of the world don't like, it stems from Imperialism and carries on now, it's all about us fuck the rest. This is them sticking their fingers up to us. The regional FIFA bosses do not have any virtuous ideals (anti imperialist or otherwise). They're just pigs taking their turn at the trough and protecting their own interest. They have no concerns for anyone else and have no mandate for the wider world of football in their sphere of influence. In other words this isn't the rest of the world sticking their fingers up at us, it's about a handful of elite pigs sticking their arses up as they bury their noses in the swill. As are UEFA but at least this way they do get a foot in the door which is what they want. As long as people in Europe have this attitude nothing will change, I think that's pretty clear to see. Because quite frankly UEFA aren't the knights in shining people on here seem to think they are.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 17:11:50 GMT
UEFA does have the power. Europe has the audience and the cash, and in professional football, cash is king. This is nothing short of farcical. The whole system has become to encumbered and bloated. the longer this drags on, the greater the damage it is time for change. Blatter Out. FIFA Out FIFA are setting up a professional football department.......they haven't got one.
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 17:25:35 GMT
The regional FIFA bosses do not have any virtuous ideals (anti imperialist or otherwise). They're just pigs taking their turn at the trough and protecting their own interest. They have no concerns for anyone else and have no mandate for the wider world of football in their sphere of influence. In other words this isn't the rest of the world sticking their fingers up at us, it's about a handful of elite pigs sticking their arses up as they bury their noses in the swill. As are UEFA but at least this way they do get a foot in the door which is what they want. As long as people in Europe have this attitude nothing will change, I think that's pretty clear to see. Because quite frankly UEFA aren't the knights in shining people on here seem to think they are. Think you're missing the point big time. No one thinks UEFA are Knights in shining armour. Or that they are perfect. What they are is better than FIFA. And they have the capability to effect change. You're also way of the mark in blaming people's attitudes in Europe.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 17:31:59 GMT
As are UEFA but at least this way they do get a foot in the door which is what they want. As long as people in Europe have this attitude nothing will change, I think that's pretty clear to see. Because quite frankly UEFA aren't the knights in shining people on here seem to think they are. Think you're missing the point big time. No one thinks UEFA are Knights in shining armour. Or that they are perfect. What they are is better than FIFA. And they have the capability to effect change. You're also way of the mark in blaming people's attitudes in Europe. They don't? Have you read the last few pages of this thread? Save us UEFA, save us! They are? Hhhhmmm I don't buy that at all, they're all as bad as each other! You've just got to look at that friendly we played in Trinidad and Tobago, dodgy as fuck! And no, no I'm not. It's that attitude that is part of the problem and it needs to be sorted for the rest of the world to listen. Until that happens nothing will change because UEFA won't do anything.
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Post by scarlet on May 30, 2015 18:22:22 GMT
Sepp has said he knows how to fix FIFA. Sounds close enough to a confession to me.
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 18:23:42 GMT
Think you're missing the point big time. No one thinks UEFA are Knights in shining armour. Or that they are perfect. What they are is better than FIFA. And they have the capability to effect change. You're also way of the mark in blaming people's attitudes in Europe. They don't? Have you read the last few pages of this thread? Save us UEFA, save us! They are? Hhhhmmm I don't buy that at all, they're all as bad as each other! You've just got to look at that friendly we played in Trinidad and Tobago, dodgy as fuck! And no, no I'm not. It's that attitude that is part of the problem and it needs to be sorted for the rest of the world to listen. Until that happens nothing will change because UEFA won't do anything. "they're all as bad as each other". Far too simplistic. And wrong. Forget the sack cloth and ashes. Football followers around the world would love to see Europe take a lead. Europe is where they look to as the pinnacle of the sport. They simply don't have the negative view of Europe you assign to them. The fact UEFA won't act doesn't mean they couldn't.
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Post by Clayton Wood on May 30, 2015 18:28:40 GMT
Mr Blatter, 79, described the issue as "infractions" involving a marketing company operating in the Americas.
And he again questioned the timing of the US prosecutors, saying his organisation "could have been contacted at another time" rather than just before its congress assembled.
"I don't see how Fifa should have been directly affected by this," he said. Next he'll be denying there have been any arrests.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 18:30:13 GMT
They don't? Have you read the last few pages of this thread? Save us UEFA, save us! They are? Hhhhmmm I don't buy that at all, they're all as bad as each other! You've just got to look at that friendly we played in Trinidad and Tobago, dodgy as fuck! And no, no I'm not. It's that attitude that is part of the problem and it needs to be sorted for the rest of the world to listen. Until that happens nothing will change because UEFA won't do anything. "they're all as bad as each other". Far too simplistic. And wrong. Forget the sack cloth and ashes. Football followers around the world would love to see Europe take a lead. Europe is where they look to as the pinnacle of the sport. They simply don't have the negative view of Europe you assign to them. The fact UEFA won't act doesn't mean they couldn't. It's not though is it? Platini is knee deep in this shit and he knows it, he has too many fingers in the pies that are the most suspicious (Qatar) not to be. You really believe that? All the focus on Europe with the rest of the world taking a back seat, that's the exact problem here and is being highlighted by journalists from Africa etc. Why don't you think they will though, oh yeah it's because they're knee deep in shit!
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