|
Post by Pugsley on May 29, 2015 21:25:01 GMT
It doesn't give me any confidence I'm afraid . However , there must be bucketfuls of allegations to be laid at Blatters door . It simply hasn't percolated through the investigations yet. He's not someone who would simply walk away . There seems to be a lot of talk about; he'll be gone in 2 years. Would you trust him if he has said he will resign within two years so Ali can take over? UEFA need to ratchet up the pressure at their meeting next week. If they can propose an alternative tournament in 2018 and they will have all of the major sponsors for their tournament it would be a good start. The likes of the US, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia & New Zealand then need to get behind the proposal. I suppose UEFA would need to threaten any European country who boycott their tournament that they will not be allowed any clubs in European competitions. UEFA have postured all week - they need to turn words into actions. What you said is bang on the money.
|
|
|
Post by stokiejoe on May 29, 2015 21:25:45 GMT
Down to either the law taking its course or commerce in the shape of sponsors pulling out. Won't be holding my breathe.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on May 29, 2015 21:32:17 GMT
Down to either the law taking its course or commerce in the shape of sponsors pulling out. Won't be holding my breathe. Don't think it will take long, mate.
|
|
|
Post by spitthedog on May 29, 2015 21:52:44 GMT
I don't have any faith whatsoever in Greg Dyke and the FA
They will just see this as an opportunity to make themselves out to be the good guys in all this. They have got the perfect villain in Blatter.
This is the same guy who was forced to return a 16k gold watch which he did reluctantly and not voluntarily. It's just empty words from Dyke. We shouldn't put our faith in the likes of him.
It's the same with Cameron, its just opportunism. He knows it won't make one iota of a difference but it makes him look like he's on the side of justice.
|
|
|
Post by harryburrows on May 29, 2015 21:57:59 GMT
That someone is Platini. If England did it UDI it would be easy fir Blatter to portray us as arrogant. But doesn't Platini see himself as a future FIFA President? If so he won't want to rock the boat too much as to jeopardise this will he? Platini is the ultimate politician , he also supported the Qatar bid . His son workers for the Qatari government coincidentally .
|
|
|
Post by ukcstokie on May 29, 2015 22:01:42 GMT
Blatter has won and won't be going anywhere anytime soon - voluntarily. There's too many in FIFA who have their snouts in the trough and know that if he goes their dealings will be exposed. They'll keep tight as long as they think it's in their best interests.
So, I see these scenarios for getting rid of him:
(1) Legal - the FBI and other law-enforcement organisations arrest Blatter and his cronies.
(2) Sponsers - FIFA is all about money. If the money dries up the power goes. It would only take a European boycott of the sponsors and they'd drop FIFA tomorrow. If the FIFA sponsors saw their revenue drop by 10% across most of Europe as football fans ditched them, then they'd ditch FIFA PDQ. There must be some method to organise these type of boycotts on the internet? Twitter?
(3) He snuffs it. He's 79 and under quite a lot of pressure.
My guess is 3. As soon as he goes the house of cards will come tumbling down. Expect to see police taking boxes of paper and hard drives from the FIFA offices, and FIFA delegates by the dozen being lead away in hand cuffs. Only then can we reclaim our great game.
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on May 29, 2015 22:36:36 GMT
Probably a stupid question this, but:
The common reaponse to saying 'the FA should split from FIFA' is that foreign FAs would jump for joy and everybody would be happy to see us go. On the flip side, though, do we really lose anything by not being a part of FIFA?
|
|
|
Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on May 29, 2015 22:42:41 GMT
Probably a stupid question this, but: The common reaponse to saying 'the FA should split from FIFA' is that foreign FAs would jump for joy and everybody would be happy to see us go. On the flip side, though, do we really lose anything by not being a part of FIFA? Would it be similar to when Franklin went to Colombia? Our league wouldn't be recognised or something? (Probably rubbish)
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on May 29, 2015 22:50:26 GMT
Probably a stupid question this, but: The common reaponse to saying 'the FA should split from FIFA' is that foreign FAs would jump for joy and everybody would be happy to see us go. On the flip side, though, do we really lose anything by not being a part of FIFA? Would it be similar to when Franklin went to Colombia? Our league wouldn't be recognised or something? (Probably rubbish) In a worst case scenario, I guess you could imagine something like: No admission to the Champions' League (who cares?) No international football (who cares? The home nations would probably come along anyway) Problems dealing with FIFA registered agents and hence problems attracting foreign players (not the worst problem) The silly money in our league would probably turn us into a sort of Kerry Packer nation. I don't know, I might be talking rubbish at this point.
|
|
|
Post by BuzzB on May 29, 2015 22:51:09 GMT
How the frigballinsbollocksinell have the French voted for Blatter when Platini is running the show?? Or am I missing something??
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:01:16 GMT
It's hard to get a dog (Blatter) to let go of a bone (FIFA) especially when it is a gravy bone (Money).
He needs to be offered a way out, like exemption from prosecution if he squeals (Tells the truth)
Failing that just wait and see how many sponsors pull the rug from under him when they lose the European and American market.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:11:15 GMT
Corrupt African regimes propping up a corrupt organisation. Who'd have thunk it? African and ASEAN support for Blatter. You can only guess what those fat little hands have been grabbing in that part of the world. Justice, equality and fair play don't register too highly on the list of priorities in some of those places.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:24:32 GMT
Campaign against Blatter is building tonight. Dyke seems confident something is imminent. Reminds me of Thatcher 'winning' her leadership vote, but in reality she was so damaged by the process she had to resign. Ali had to withdraw to be in any position to take over as soon as Blatter is gone. He couldn't afford to be accused of deliberately splitting FIFA. Blatter can save face by resigning for the good of FIFA rather than being humiliated by being booted out. The Fed's will grab him soon enough. The FBI will see Blatter's total lack of humility as extremely provocative and will wipe the floor with him in due course. I think he'll be lucky not to spend the rest of his life behind bars. FIFA now needs eradicating wholesale, this is what the FBI will go for. It's now too late now even for root and branch reform - that option dissolved with Blatter's re-election. It's like half of David Cameron's Cabinet being arrested. How can Blatter possibly believe he can escape the full force of the judicial process when half of his very closest colleagues are looking at imprisonment? The behaviour he is now displaying is that of a desperate dying man, clinging on for dear life.
|
|
|
Post by spitthedog on May 29, 2015 23:25:43 GMT
Corrupt African regimes propping up a corrupt organisation. Who'd have thunk it? African and ASEAN support for Blatter. You can only guess what those fat little hands have been grabbing in that part of the world. Justice, equality and fair play don't register too highly on the list of priorities in some of those places. That is just an incredibly naive statement! You are dreaming if you think a lack of justice, equality and fair play is exclusive to Africa and Asia. Never heard of the banking crisis or what about colonialism (approx. 350 years of it!!!)
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 23:34:54 GMT
African and ASEAN support for Blatter. You can only guess what those fat little hands have been grabbing in that part of the world. Justice, equality and fair play don't register too highly on the list of priorities in some of those places. That is just an incredibly naive statement! You are dreaming if you think a lack of justice, equality and fair play is exclusive to Africa and Asia. Never heard of the banking crisis or what about colonialism (approx. 350 years of it!!!) Have you ever been to Lagos? I can assure that you would have a different opinion if that was the case. I know we have had our own past problems in the west and we continue to still have them, but corruption is on a different scale over there Spit. I know firsthand.
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 5:57:57 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:20:27 GMT
What are the football supporters federation going to do about this since clearly most supporters in this country are disgusted by FIFA - most supporters want to see our FA take a stand, should the FSF not be lobbying the FA on this?
I would love to see what Malcolm Clark thinks about this, has he commented on this yet?
|
|
|
Post by lordb on May 30, 2015 8:28:39 GMT
How the frigballinsbollocksinell have the French voted for Blatter when Platini is running the show?? Or am I missing something?? Platini runs UEFA not the FFF. Depressing that major European nations voted for Blatter.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:30:02 GMT
African and ASEAN support for Blatter. You can only guess what those fat little hands have been grabbing in that part of the world. Justice, equality and fair play don't register too highly on the list of priorities in some of those places. That is just an incredibly naive statement! You are dreaming if you think a lack of justice, equality and fair play is exclusive to Africa and Asia. Never heard of the banking crisis or what about colonialism (approx. 350 years of it!!!) Let's not try and turn this into another race debate , but instead address the bloody facts . Blatters support was from Africa and Asia....! It was a deliberate ploy on Blatters part . ! Jesus Christ ...Why are you so determined to prove how nice the blacks and Asians are ....! Get a grip .
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on May 30, 2015 8:32:29 GMT
How the frigballinsbollocksinell have the French voted for Blatter when Platini is running the show?? Or am I missing something?? Platini runs UEFA not the FFF. Depressing that major European nations voted for Blatter. And that is because Ali was not a credible enough candidate. Basically he was a stooge set up to try and rattle Blatters cage, which he did. Europe is the powerhouse of football, UEFA need to take the lead.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 8:34:36 GMT
That is just an incredibly naive statement! You are dreaming if you think a lack of justice, equality and fair play is exclusive to Africa and Asia. Never heard of the banking crisis or what about colonialism (approx. 350 years of it!!!) Let's not try and turn this into another race debate , but instead address the bloody facts . Blatters support was from Africa and Asia....! It was a deliberate ploy on Blatters part . ! Jesus Christ ...Why are you so determined to prove how nice the blacks and Asians are ....! Get a grip . It's unbelievable. Day is night in some peoples eyes. You don't need to read The Mirror to know that corruption is rife in those economies. Malaysians have over 40 different words for "bribe".
|
|
|
Post by Clayton Wood on May 30, 2015 9:09:51 GMT
Sepp Blatter: Europe's 'hate' campaign against Fifa Mr Blatter said: "It is a hate that comes not just from a person at Uefa, it comes from the Uefa organisation that cannot understand that in 1998 I became president."Battle lines are drawn. Will Uefa have the balls to leave the mothership? Platini needs to put up or quit now.
|
|
|
Post by jeycov on May 30, 2015 9:15:30 GMT
News conference on SSN coming up - 10-30
David Gill confirms he will not take up his post On FIFA Executive committee
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 10:53:23 GMT
Sepp Blatter: Europe's 'hate' campaign against Fifa Mr Blatter said: "It is a hate that comes not just from a person at Uefa, it comes from the Uefa organisation that cannot understand that in 1998 I became president."Battle lines are drawn. Will Uefa have the balls to leave the mothership? Platini needs to put up or quit now. It's being suggested that UEFA could and have indeed toyed with the idea of inviting Brazil, Argentina, USA, Mexico and Japan et al to take part in the next European Championships and BOOM! that's your World Cup right there. So UEFA hold all the aces at the moment. Blatter draws his support from Africa and Asia because these confederations have seen a 40 fold increase in revenues under Blatter. So why would they choose to replace him? Very smart and hugely divisive strategy from Blatter. Essentially Blatter is controlling football through a mandate from Africa and Asia. It's all wrong.
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2015 11:57:40 GMT
Sepp Blatter: Europe's 'hate' campaign against Fifa Mr Blatter said: "It is a hate that comes not just from a person at Uefa, it comes from the Uefa organisation that cannot understand that in 1998 I became president."Battle lines are drawn. Will Uefa have the balls to leave the mothership? Platini needs to put up or quit now. This. Put up or shut up Europe. Withdraw from FIFA and announce your intention to set up a rival global organisation.
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on May 30, 2015 12:09:02 GMT
Perhaps the US could arrange military strikes against FIFA?
Although two wrongs don't make a right I can think of several US organisations that the FBI should look at before FIFA.
|
|
|
Post by upthefud on May 30, 2015 12:12:06 GMT
Perhaps the US could arrange military strikes against FIFA? Although two wrongs don't make a right I can think of several US organisations that the FBI should look at before FIFA. So you don't think FIFA is a corrupt organisation with blood on it's hands?
|
|
|
Post by geoff321 on May 30, 2015 12:15:33 GMT
I'm all for an investigation into FIFA but I don't like double standards.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2015 12:17:11 GMT
Isn't this European arrogance that's being shown on this thread and by Platini one of the reasons Blatter does so well?
Holding them to ransome won't win them over, we've got to be cleverer and we do want football to be a global game.
|
|
|
Post by upthefud on May 30, 2015 12:26:05 GMT
Isn't this European arrogance that's being shown on this thread and by Platini one of the reasons Blatter does so well? Holding them to ransome won't win them over, we've got to be cleverer and we do want football to be a global game. No, he does so well because of blatant corrupt figures within the African and Asian game. UEFA is like the bee's stinger. If we pull out out the bee slowly dies a pretty painful death.
|
|