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Post by spitthedog on Mar 19, 2015 23:44:41 GMT
Like I keep saying it has to be collective action. One nation will achieve nothing. Especially not England. It only needs England, Spain and Germany to work. None of these would ever boycott the World Cup. There is 0% chance of it happening. It can only happen in our heads.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 20, 2015 1:04:41 GMT
It only needs England, Spain and Germany to work. Couldn't the Premier League just refuse to release it's players? I'm sure at the last World Cup we supplied about 35% of the players, that'd be a killer blow... And it's not like the players would stay away from signing for our clubs 'cos we can offer them the most money with our TV deals. Another point which I've got to repeat as I'm sure no-one answered me last time, but what happens if Israel qualify? Unless things have changed (Or I've just always believed wrongly) don't Qatar refuse to acknowledge Israel as a country & refuse to let anyone with an Israeli passport into the country? And one final point, all this messing around with the leagues of Europe & making them all start/finish earlier/later, wont this mean as countries like Portugal, Spain, Greece, Turkey etc... Will be playing games in their summers, which whilst not quite hitting Qatari highs will still be high 30c's? You don't think FIFA can arrange for Israel not to qualify?
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 20, 2015 3:06:10 GMT
Like I keep saying it has to be collective action. One nation will achieve nothing. Especially not England. It only needs England, Spain and Germany to work. England? Italy Spain and Germany would be more effective.
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2015 8:52:15 GMT
There is no chance of a boycott,none.
This World Cup is happening
as stupid as it is to hold a World Cup in Qatar its done now.
Time to get planning to cope with the disruption.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 20, 2015 9:02:35 GMT
I still don't understand why some of the countries which lost the bid which Qatar won, haven't sued FIFA. Even if they didn't get the result overturned they should at least get the cost of their bids reimbursed.
Bids were invited by FIFA to hold a tournament in the months of June - August (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere summer) - and the winners of the bid are now going to host the event in November and December (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere winter). Legally, FIFA and Qatar must be on very dodgy ground.
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Post by norman conquest on Mar 20, 2015 9:46:02 GMT
I still don't understand why some of the countries which lost the bid which Qatar won, haven't sued FIFA. Even if they didn't get the result overturned they should at least get the cost of their bids reimbursed. Bids were invited by FIFA to hold a tournament in the months of June - August (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere summer) - and the winners of the bid are now going to host the event in November and December (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere winter). Legally, FIFA and Qatar must be on very dodgy ground. I,ve been thinking the very same thing, why have Australia not kicked up a fuss, the whole thing stinks to high heaven.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:12:22 GMT
I still don't understand why some of the countries which lost the bid which Qatar won, haven't sued FIFA. Even if they didn't get the result overturned they should at least get the cost of their bids reimbursed. Bids were invited by FIFA to hold a tournament in the months of June - August (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere summer) - and the winners of the bid are now going to host the event in November and December (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere winter). Legally, FIFA and Qatar must be on very dodgy ground. genuine question here (as i've seen this point mentioned a lot and don't know the actual answer), what was the official and therefore legally binding FIFA offering that the bids were made for i.e. when countries bid, are the dates of what they're bidding for actually specifically mentioned? if not (and people are just basing it on the presumption that the World Cup traditionally happens in the Northern hemisphere Summer months) then they can't be sued can they? even if the offering DOES specify the dates in your post Lakeland, i don't see how Qatar could be on dodgy ground for hosting it in a different time period; they won the bid (whether that was done legally is another matter of course) and it's FIFA that have changed the dates not Qatar (Qatar have simply agreed to accommodate those date changes) so surely it would only be FIFA on dodgy ground for the date changes?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 20, 2015 10:26:02 GMT
I still don't understand why some of the countries which lost the bid which Qatar won, haven't sued FIFA. Even if they didn't get the result overturned they should at least get the cost of their bids reimbursed. Bids were invited by FIFA to hold a tournament in the months of June - August (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere summer) - and the winners of the bid are now going to host the event in November and December (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere winter). Legally, FIFA and Qatar must be on very dodgy ground. genuine question here (as i've seen this point mentioned a lot and don't know the actual answer), what was the official and therefore legally binding FIFA offering that the bids were made for i.e. when countries bid, are the dates of what they're bidding for actually specifically mentioned? if not (and people are just basing it on the presumption that the World Cup traditionally happens in the Northern hemisphere Summer months) then they can't be sued can they? even if the offering DOES specify the dates in your post Lakeland, i don't see how Qatar could be on dodgy ground for hosting it in a different time period; they won the bid (whether that was done legally is another matter of course) and it's FIFA that have changed the dates not Qatar (Qatar have simply agreed to accommodate those date changes) so surely it would only be FIFA on dodgy ground for the date changes? Apparently, the original document inviting bids did specify that the tournament was to be held withing the June - August period. Qatar won based on a claim that they could SAFELY organise a tournament in that period. Now, those who voted for them were obviously idiots to believe them so it is a moot point as to whether Qatar's bid was in good faith. I think, if I was the judge on the matter, I would award compensation for costs incurred to all the other bidders - payable by FIFA. I probably would not find against Qatar (unless corruption was proven) but it must be touch and go - and I really would like to see the arguments debated in court - if only to get some clarity to prevent a similar situation happening again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:32:42 GMT
genuine question here (as i've seen this point mentioned a lot and don't know the actual answer), what was the official and therefore legally binding FIFA offering that the bids were made for i.e. when countries bid, are the dates of what they're bidding for actually specifically mentioned? if not (and people are just basing it on the presumption that the World Cup traditionally happens in the Northern hemisphere Summer months) then they can't be sued can they? even if the offering DOES specify the dates in your post Lakeland, i don't see how Qatar could be on dodgy ground for hosting it in a different time period; they won the bid (whether that was done legally is another matter of course) and it's FIFA that have changed the dates not Qatar (Qatar have simply agreed to accommodate those date changes) so surely it would only be FIFA on dodgy ground for the date changes? Apparently, the original document inviting bids did specify that the tournament was to be held withing the June - August period. Qatar won based on a claim that they could SAFELY organise a tournament in that period. Now, those who voted for them were obviously idiots to believe them so it is a moot point as to whether Qatar's bid was in good faith. I think, if I was the judge on the matter, I would award compensation for costs incurred to all the other bidders - payable by FIFA. I probably would not find against Qatar (unless corruption was proven) but it must be touch and go - and I really would like to see the arguments debated in court - if only to get some clarity to prevent a similar situation happening again. good stuff, cheers for the info Lakeland
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 20, 2015 10:44:32 GMT
I still don't understand why some of the countries which lost the bid which Qatar won, haven't sued FIFA. Even if they didn't get the result overturned they should at least get the cost of their bids reimbursed. Bids were invited by FIFA to hold a tournament in the months of June - August (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere summer) - and the winners of the bid are now going to host the event in November and December (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere winter). Legally, FIFA and Qatar must be on very dodgy ground. To be honest I've always wondered why the FBI aren't all over this , USA missed out big time .they could also compel Michael Garcia to give up his full report and all its grubby secrets
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 20, 2015 12:38:30 GMT
It only needs England, Spain and Germany to work. England? Italy Spain and Germany would be more effective. Further evidence of why there will be no boycott. Richard Conway BBC Radio 5 live sports news correspondent Fifa reveal club payments for 2018 and 2002 World Cups Football Posted at 11:40 "Fifa has announced that $209m (£142m) will be shared among clubs who release players for the next two World Cups. "The deal will begin as of 2018 and will cover both the Russian and Qatar World Cups. "A Fifa statement said: 'A total of $209m will be distributed among the clubs releasing players to the participating teams in the 2018 World Cup. The same amount has been agreed for the 22nd edition to be staged in Qatar in 2022.' "The pot was $70m for Brazil 2010 and only $40m in South Africa in 2010." Now it's up to the clubs Are they more interested in principles or cash? What do you think? It's only the fans who can do anything.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 20, 2015 12:41:32 GMT
I still don't understand why some of the countries which lost the bid which Qatar won, haven't sued FIFA. Even if they didn't get the result overturned they should at least get the cost of their bids reimbursed. Bids were invited by FIFA to hold a tournament in the months of June - August (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere summer) - and the winners of the bid are now going to host the event in November and December (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere winter). Legally, FIFA and Qatar must be on very dodgy ground. I would suggest that is because for them running these bids it is simply a money making racket, a gravy train. They have lined their pockets, theyve moved on, they will have their noses in some other trough now.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 20, 2015 13:22:24 GMT
I still don't understand why some of the countries which lost the bid which Qatar won, haven't sued FIFA. Even if they didn't get the result overturned they should at least get the cost of their bids reimbursed. Bids were invited by FIFA to hold a tournament in the months of June - August (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere summer) - and the winners of the bid are now going to host the event in November and December (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere winter). Legally, FIFA and Qatar must be on very dodgy ground. To be honest I've always wondered why the FBI aren't all over this , USA missed out big time .they could also compel Michael Garcia to give up his full report and all its grubby secrets USA have basically been promised 2026 World Cup. If they mount legal action/get FBI involved then I doubt they would be hosting in 11 years time
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 20, 2015 13:24:54 GMT
Couldn't the Premier League just refuse to release it's players? I'm sure at the last World Cup we supplied about 35% of the players, that'd be a killer blow... And it's not like the players would stay away from signing for our clubs 'cos we can offer them the most money with our TV deals. Another point which I've got to repeat as I'm sure no-one answered me last time, but what happens if Israel qualify? Unless things have changed (Or I've just always believed wrongly) don't Qatar refuse to acknowledge Israel as a country & refuse to let anyone with an Israeli passport into the country? And one final point, all this messing around with the leagues of Europe & making them all start/finish earlier/later, wont this mean as countries like Portugal, Spain, Greece, Turkey etc... Will be playing games in their summers, which whilst not quite hitting Qatari highs will still be high 30c's? You don't think FIFA can arrange for Israel not to qualify? I would assume the World Cup T&C's state that all nations recognised by FIFA are allowed to enter qualifying and if they qualify then the host nation is obligated to allow their players (& management etc) in during the tournament. Surely FIFA wouldn't screw this up. Unless they just didn't think about it and were only interested in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s. At some point someone in FIFA will realise they bolloxed up on this and spent the next X years praying Israel don't qualify
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 20, 2015 14:24:25 GMT
To be honest I've always wondered why the FBI aren't all over this , USA missed out big time .they could also compel Michael Garcia to give up his full report and all its grubby secrets USA have basically been promised 2026 World Cup. If they mount legal action/get FBI involved then I doubt they would be hosting in 11 years time Wouldn't trust them to honour any gentlemans agreement , how can FIFA make that sort of promise anyway ? It's supposed to go to a vote of the delegates isn't it or are FIFA admitting it can gift the tournament anywhere it sees fit
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 20, 2015 15:47:34 GMT
To be honest I've always wondered why the FBI aren't all over this , USA missed out big time .they could also compel Michael Garcia to give up his full report and all its grubby secrets USA have basically been promised 2026 World Cup. If they mount legal action/get FBI involved then I doubt they would be hosting in 11 years time I rather doubt that the USA have been promised the tournament. Not least because, if that was the case and it leaked out, then all the bidders for the 2026 tournament would cry foul and take FIFA to court. But, even if the USA had been "bought off" why would that prevent any of the other bidders suing FIFA to (at a minimum) get the $millions they spent on their bids back as compensation?
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 20, 2015 18:30:06 GMT
USA have basically been promised 2026 World Cup. If they mount legal action/get FBI involved then I doubt they would be hosting in 11 years time I rather doubt that the USA have been promised the tournament. Not least because, if that was the case and it leaked out, then all the bidders for the 2026 tournament would cry foul and take FIFA to court. But, even if the USA had been "bought off" why would that prevent any of the other bidders suing FIFA to (at a minimum) get the $millions they spent on their bids back as compensation? I believe there is a gentlemens agreement (which Fifa could renege on) that USA will get 2026 and indeed the broadcasting rights in the USA have already been awarded in a sham arrangement to compensate for the shitness of the 2022 dates from an American perspective. I believe the bidding contract countries have to sign for their bid to be valid includes a clause along the lines of 'we won't sue Fifa for anything'. Remember the negativity towards England from Fifa when we started claiming corruption - would any country really want to suffer that for money that is long gone?
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 21, 2015 13:43:37 GMT
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Post by BuzzB on May 5, 2015 21:42:52 GMT
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Post by enuntio on May 18, 2015 11:39:52 GMT
Journalists jailed and interrogated for doing what they'd been invited to do. Press FreedomSo what's it going to be like when there are tens of hundreds of journalists there?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 15:24:29 GMT
Journalists jailed and interrogated for doing what they'd been invited to do. Press FreedomSo what's it going to be like when there are tens of hundreds of journalists there? or even thousands
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Post by harryburrows on May 18, 2015 20:46:21 GMT
Portland group doing PR for Qatar , Alistair Campbell works for them too
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 11:56:10 GMT
Anybody think that the 2018 and 2022 WC's could be re-contested as a result? Surely, if guilt is proven then the bidding processes must re-open?
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Post by JoeinOz on May 27, 2015 13:41:43 GMT
Anybody think that the 2018 and 2022 WC's could be re-contested as a result? Surely, if guilt is proven then the bidding processes must re-open? It's more possible than it was 24 hours ago but still a longshot IMHO
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 27, 2015 13:59:23 GMT
Anybody think that the 2018 and 2022 WC's could be re-contested as a result? Surely, if guilt is proven then the bidding processes must re-open? It would cost far less to have it in England Shirley, the stadiums are already there.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 15:27:11 GMT
I'm far from the biggest yankophile on this board, but fair play to our US counterparts for bringing this shower to justice.
Listening to the statement on Sky just now it really does seem that the US finally "get" the beautiful game and are more than happy to treat those who threaten it to a swift dose of US Justice.
Unlikely heroes, but well played you Yanks, you may just have saved the game as we know it. Take a bow.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 18:29:04 GMT
Andrew Jennings, a key investigative journalist who has submitted documents to the FBI indicting Blatter and FIFA has just been interviewed on Sky. He is saying that the very likely outcome for football is that England will now get WC2018 and the US will get WC2022.
Explosive!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 18:33:20 GMT
Jennings was also commenting on Blatter being as guilty as hell regarding the bribes.
"He's been a micro-manager in FIFA since 1976, do don't tell me he doesn't know what exactly what was going on."
An arrest warrant has now also been issued for Jack Warner in Trinidad & Tobago.
Story is moving super-fast. FIFA is going down like dominoes.
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Post by xchpotter on May 27, 2015 18:38:27 GMT
I'm far from the biggest yankophile on this board, but fair play to our US counterparts for bringing this shower to justice. Listening to the statement on Sky just now it really does seem that the US finally "get" the beautiful game and are more than happy to treat those who threaten it to a swift dose of US Justice. Unlikely heroes, but well played you Yanks, you may just have saved the game as we know it. Take a bow. Yep, I agree. I'm sure there is some motive in it for them as well (I am naturally cynical) but I doubt any other nation in the world would have the guts, resource and desire to take on what must be one of the most corrupt, dishonest and rotten organisations this side of the Noth Korean presidency. Now, what relationship do we have with the North American FIFA representative.......good enough to support a future World Cup bid?????
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Post by stokiejoe on May 27, 2015 18:44:42 GMT
The biggest praise should be for the Swiss. The US banks have been servicing this for twenty years without questions asked. The US were invited by FIFA to investigate. However the Swiss have set up a seperate investigation and this is not one FIFA wanted. Blatter has been told not to leave Switzerland.
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