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Post by checkmatestokie on Feb 25, 2015 0:31:45 GMT
As a matter of interest - Which winter will it be? - 2021 or 2022
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Post by kustokie on Feb 25, 2015 0:48:19 GMT
Russia is not exactly squeaky clean when it come to civil rights, racism or discrimination either.
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Post by jmst4 on Feb 25, 2015 1:48:33 GMT
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Post by sheriff on Feb 25, 2015 3:06:28 GMT
Qatar is a country with far more temporary residence immigrants than citizens. An incredible esimated 90% of the population aren't citizens. Many of these are impoverished Bangladeshis, Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans looking for jobs - and I'm sure they're under no illusions about what they face. It's a pretty peculiar country and situation. They obviously like the cheap labour so we have lax standards unfortunately in the working conditions. The spate of deaths are a big cause for concern though. Not sure what's responsible for such a high number.
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Post by sheriff on Feb 25, 2015 3:19:58 GMT
The whole homophobia and human rights thing is sensationalized nonsense though. Qatar is really no different from the UAE which many Brits troop to. Doha is basically just a smaller, less glamorous Dubai. For an Islamic nation, it's fairly moderate and progressive. We're not talking about Afghanistan here. Just respect the culture and you should have no problems. Public drunkeness, PDAs (whether homo or heterosexual), skimpy outfits and all that are frowned upon. Those Brits that troop to Dubai also have to respect the laws. Ideally, one day, the rest of the world would catch up with the liberties of the West. But the West has had its own history of racism, homphobia and all that and made progress. So will other countries. It's rather arrogant and naive to be sermonizing about those things concerning other countries whose constraining religious beliefs are an obstacle to making that progress.
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Post by britsabroad on Feb 25, 2015 4:40:40 GMT
The whole homophobia and human rights thing is sensationalized nonsense though. Qatar is really no different from the UAE which many Brits troop to. Doha is basically just a smaller, less glamorous Dubai. For an Islamic nation, it's fairly moderate and progressive. We're not talking about Afghanistan here. Just respect the culture and you should have no problems. Public drunkeness, PDAs (whether homo or heterosexual), skimpy outfits and all that are frowned upon. Those Brits that troop to Dubai also have to respect the laws. Ideally, one day, the rest of the world would catch up with the liberties of the West. But the West has had its own history of racism, homphobia and all that and made progress. So will other countries. It's rather arrogant and naive to be sermonizing about those things concerning other countries whose constraining religious beliefs are an obstacle to making that progress. With all due respect, thats bollocks. This part of the world is 200 years behind the West in its views on things like homosexuality, womens rights and workers rights, fuelled in large parts by the Arabic belief that they are a superior race to everyone else. There is just no excuse for it when we are talking about where the World Cup will be held. I include Dubai in all that just as much as Qatar, although im not sure why Dubai seems to get a free pass from many people.
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Post by britsabroad on Feb 25, 2015 4:50:40 GMT
Qatar is a country with far more temporary residence immigrants than citizens. An incredible esimated 90% of the population aren't citizens. Many of these are impoverished Bangladeshis, Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans looking for jobs - and I'm sure they're under no illusions about what they face Have you ever talked to any of them? These are people who do not have access to internet or global news. What they know of the UAE/Qatar etc is what the agents who send them there tell them. They are generally sent over on a promise of ~1000USD monthly, owing a fee of a few thousand to the agent back home. When they arrive their passports are confiscated. And they are told their salary is going to be much less, less than half usually. By that point they have no choice, and instead of months to pay off the debt it takes years. Some get lucky and end up in hotels, others not so and end up on the construction sites. Some never make it home. Almost all i have talked to wish theyd never gone. This is not just a case of 'well give them time to develop the same standards as the rest of us'.
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 25, 2015 9:19:23 GMT
Well that's that then UEFA have shafted all their own members by suggesting a World Cup Final for Dec 23rd,FIFA have confirmed no compensation for European Leagues, oh and guess what UEFAs cash cow the Champions League is not affected, what a cock Platini is!
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 25, 2015 9:24:50 GMT
We could do with some big name current players speaking out on this. Last time a big name player spoke about thisstuff was Maradona before the 86 World Cup.
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 25, 2015 9:25:57 GMT
it's not who's hosting it, it's when they are hosting it ! Hosting it in winter is a more important issue than the 1200 poor migrant workers who have already died???? Bizarre Not saying that at all,everybody knew about their human rights issues before the vote,but they still bid for a summer world cup,let's be honest here this is only about money,or to be exact money 'bungs' otherwise who can justify choosing the only high risk bid to host 2022 and the only medium risk(Russia) to host 2018?
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 25, 2015 9:30:18 GMT
Still they all cling on.....
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Post by apb1 on Feb 25, 2015 9:51:08 GMT
This was the opportunity for UEFA to split off from FIFA and bring the whole rotten structure down.
How can you have a World Cup in a country that has NEVER qualified for the finals and only reached the quarter finals of the Asian Cup twice in eleven attempts, that has no population to speak of other than indentured labourers, and where the climate is so unsuitable for football? It's like a perfect storm of idiocy, without even starting on the human rights question (Argentina 78 anyone?)
The FA should pull out now, and force a vote at UEFA to organise a boycott until it's moved to a proper venue. Preferably England. I'd rather have no World Cup for six or eight years if it meant removing Blatter and his ilk from their positions.
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Post by markytcd on Feb 25, 2015 10:13:30 GMT
It might have been mentioned but as tax payers, and assuming tax funds were used, have the average fan got any legal recourse if the governing bodies want nothing to do with it?
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Post by unknown182 on Feb 25, 2015 10:24:06 GMT
I'm just waiting for the 2026 world cup in Atlantis to be announced. There are no stadiums, no football fans, there's not a natural supply of oxygen and it's completely uninhabitable for humans. But fuck it, Sepp Blatter has been promised a new Rolex.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 25, 2015 10:28:11 GMT
If we get say a Brazil v Argentina final, how are they going to get forty (?) thousand South Americans home in time for Christmas?
Both deeply religious countries and both looking at around a 24 hour flight.
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Post by 4kingal on Feb 25, 2015 10:34:41 GMT
If we get say a Brazil v Argentina final, how are they going to get forty (?) thousand South Americans home in time for Christmas? Both deeply religious countries and both looking at around a 24 hour flight. Bloody good point, doubt it will bother Blatter and his cronies though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 25, 2015 10:37:21 GMT
If we get say a Brazil v Argentina final, how are they going to get forty (?) thousand South Americans home in time for Christmas? Both deeply religious countries and both looking at around a 24 hour flight. Bloody good point, doubt it will bother Blatter and his cronies though. Blatter will probably suggest that the Sth Ameicans should suspend/move Christmas that year!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 25, 2015 10:39:38 GMT
Stoke City chairman Peter Coates has labelled the (likely) decision to move the tournament to November-December 2022 as a "disaster".
Speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live, the Potters chief declared: "The only saving grace is that we don't have to think about it for a long time.
"The planning will go on and it will be incredibly difficult.
"It couldn't be more disruptive. It couldn't be more messy."
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 25, 2015 11:04:15 GMT
This was the opportunity for UEFA to split off from FIFA and bring the whole rotten structure down. How can you have a World Cup in a country that has NEVER qualified for the finals and only reached the quarter finals of the Asian Cup twice in eleven attempts, that has no population to speak of other than indentured labourers, and where the climate is so unsuitable for football? It's like a perfect storm of idiocy, without even starting on the human rights question (Argentina 78 anyone?) The FA should pull out now, and force a vote at UEFA to organise a boycott until it's moved to a proper venue. Preferably England. I'd rather have no World Cup for six or eight years if it meant removing Blatter and his ilk from their positions. All of UEFA need to boycott. One nation doing it could do more harm than good. Especiallyif it's England.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 25, 2015 11:08:54 GMT
I think this whole Qatar thing is a bit overly sensationalized. I don't know if they'll pull off the greatest World Cup show ever, but I can say with certainty, they'll host a fine, well-organized tournament come 2022. There shouldn't be this much hysteria over who hosts a footbaling tournament. You know what side your breads buttered...
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 25, 2015 11:14:47 GMT
I think this whole Qatar thing is a bit overly sensationalized. I don't know if they'll pull off the greatest World Cup show ever, but I can say with certainty, they'll host a fine, well-organized tournament come 2022. There shouldn't be this much hysteria over who hosts a footbaling tournament. Wrong. There should be more hysteria. You may disagree but you aren't risking your lifeto get things built.
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Post by 1863scfc1863 on Feb 25, 2015 12:18:51 GMT
There seems to be a few unhappy people with the Fact that the World Cup in 2022 is going to be played in November/December.
What chance of some of the big countries boycotting the cup?
Should there be a boycott?
If only one team did this it would be pointless, but if a few big countries like England, Spain, Italy decided to boycott surely something would have to be done.
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 25, 2015 12:26:36 GMT
It would still massively disrupt our league programme due the number of foreign players here , I would support an England boycott but it won't happen
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 25, 2015 12:34:27 GMT
There seems to be a few unhappy people with the Fact that the World Cup in 2022 is going to be played in November/December. What chance of some of the big countries boycotting the cup? Should there be a boycott? If only one team did this it would be pointless, but if a few big countries like England, Spain, Italy decided to boycott surely something would have to be done. Yes. It has to be collective action. Some nations will have to bite the bullet and go against UEFA but thats what it needs.
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Post by ************** on Feb 25, 2015 13:04:33 GMT
Agree 100% Qatar bid for a summer World Cup which everyone now agrees they can't deliver, in any other world this would put Qatar in breach of contract and they would lose the franchise.....however in Blatter world no problem ignore and/or change the rules As a spokesman recently said they did promise to air condition the training facilities , stadiums and fan zones and they are still working on this . Let's see if they pull it off This has since been proven to be physically impossible within an open stadium. They are building 4 new cities just to satisfy FIFA's bid criteria....puddled.
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Post by ************** on Feb 25, 2015 13:06:13 GMT
Bloody good point, doubt it will bother Blatter and his cronies though. Blatter will probably suggest that the Sth Ameicans should suspend/move Christmas that year! For FIFA, this would not come as any sort of surprise.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 25, 2015 13:07:42 GMT
Blatter will probably suggest that the Sth Ameicans should suspend/move Christmas that year! For FIFA, this would not come as any sort of surprise. And no surprise when they maintain their power despite it
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 25, 2015 13:54:47 GMT
If we get say a Brazil v Argentina final, how are they going to get forty (?) thousand South Americans home in time for Christmas? Both deeply religious countries and both looking at around a 24 hour flight. What if Israel make the tournament full stop. Don't countries like Qatar refuse to acknowledge that Israel exists? Refuse Israeli's entry to the country & wish they were wiped off the face of the Earth?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 25, 2015 15:16:36 GMT
Michel Platini, one of the most powerful men in world football, was on Monday night under pressure to explain a secret meeting with the man at the centre of the Qatar World Cup scandal. The Telegraph has unearthed evidence that Mr Platini, a former leading French international and the president of Uefa, European football’s governing body, had a private discussion with Mohamed Bin Hammam, the controversial Qatari who paid millions of pounds to football officials around the world. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10871065/Qatar-World-Cup-2022-France-embroiled-in-corruption-scandal.html Old news I know but explains things!
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 25, 2015 15:46:32 GMT
Unless garcias report is published in full we will never know the full story
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