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Post by basingstokie on Feb 24, 2015 10:15:03 GMT
Surely now is the opportunity for the FA to build some bridges. Phone the Spanish, Italian, French, German FA and talk about a united boycott. If those 4 major countries pulled out, and we pulled out as a token gesture too (we're shit, can't really say we hold much clout) then major sponsors would pull out. Sepp would shit his pants at the thought of less money, hopefully he'd have a heart attack and die when he resizes just how much he would lose. Surely a Uefa boycott would be even better. Would basically kill the world cup and force Fifa to sort themselves out
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 24, 2015 10:27:05 GMT
There are growing concerns about Russia's involvement in Ukraine, and more and more sanctions by the EU and USA...yet, to date, I have heard NO mention of any suggestion that the EU / USA would consider a boycott of the World Cup in Russia...surely war mongering is more important to fight against than corruption? (although I would also support a boycott of Quatar 2022 Politicians around the world are totally spineless!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 24, 2015 13:16:50 GMT
Richard Keys has been on TalkSport saying what a brilliant World Cup it will be and that we can't expect Qatar's employment/slavery problems to be sorted out quickly as that is not the Arab way! He reckons we are moaning for the sake of moaning. So, that's another reason to boycott it if Keys likes it.
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Post by daibando on Feb 24, 2015 13:22:19 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 24, 2015 13:24:53 GMT
Richard Keys has been on TalkSport saying what a brilliant World Cup it will be and that we can't expect Qatar's employment/slavery problems to be sorted out quickly as that is not the Arab way! He reckons we are moaning for the sake of moaning. So, that's another reason to boycott it if Keys likes it. www.scmp.com/comment/article/1630037/shamed-out-uk-andy-gray-and-richard-keys-are-still-talking-good-game-qatariHmmmmmmm FIFA's rules are that no government is allowed to interfere with their national FA so I'm guessing FIFA take absolutely no notice of what individuals governments do as long as cheques are honoured.
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Post by daibando on Feb 24, 2015 14:12:55 GMT
Richard Keys lives and works in Qatar and surprisingly hasn't seen any corruption or human right abuses regarding the migrant labour that's building the 2022 football stadiums (whilst suffering and dying in doing so) He should know as he seems to know everything else. It's amazing what (delibaretly) escapes people's attention when they benefit from such abuses. I suggest he goes back to his luxurious Qatar apartment and keeps his mouth shut.
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 24, 2015 16:34:22 GMT
it's too late now but in the case of 2022 all the losing nations in the bidding process should have collectivity taken legal action to ensure if for any reason qatar could not hold the World cup in summer which was one of the bid criteria it should be taken off them and re bid as soon as the inability to hold a summer cup became clear,sadly 2 options now 1] shut up and accept it ,or 2] pull out, but one country doing this wont work as others have said needs uefa enblock to pull out then blatter will have no choice but to compromise as he, as always will follow the money and uefa is the money !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 16:36:33 GMT
To be fair with you being Welsh you won't need to watch anyway....
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Post by Veritas on Feb 24, 2015 16:36:57 GMT
Agree 100% Qatar bid for a summer World Cup which everyone now agrees they can't deliver, in any other world this would put Qatar in breach of contract and they would lose the franchise.....however in Blatter world no problem ignore and/or change the rules
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 24, 2015 17:18:36 GMT
Just hoping the Premier League say go ahead but we will not release players.
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 24, 2015 17:25:21 GMT
Agree 100% Qatar bid for a summer World Cup which everyone now agrees they can't deliver, in any other world this would put Qatar in breach of contract and they would lose the franchise.....however in Blatter world no problem ignore and/or change the rules As a spokesman recently said they did promise to air condition the training facilities , stadiums and fan zones and they are still working on this . Let's see if they pull it off
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 24, 2015 17:27:46 GMT
Richard Keys has been on TalkSport saying what a brilliant World Cup it will be and that we can't expect Qatar's employment/slavery problems to be sorted out quickly as that is not the Arab way! He reckons we are moaning for the sake of moaning. So, that's another reason to boycott it if Keys likes it. This is the problem with these commercial stations, always spinning for the capitalist agenda. Sky are like a great propaganda machine. They're like MI7
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Post by salopstick on Feb 24, 2015 17:40:04 GMT
Everyone has come out of this meeting says that a World Cup in Qatar has to take place in winter. Yet they were allowed to win based on a summer bid.
It's wank
The premier. League should warn the clubs that the league will continue throughout the WC
every two years we have a summer tournament to break the boredom of post/pre season. This will be wank
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 24, 2015 18:01:27 GMT
Everyone has come out of this meeting says that a World Cup in Qatar has to take place in winter. Yet they were allowed to win based on a summer bid. It's wank The premier. League should warn the clubs that the league will continue throughout the WC every two years we have a summer tournament to break the boredom of post/pre season. This will be wank It would be interesting to see what would happen if the Premier league said that they intend not to suspend the season. Indeed why SHOULD they? Sky aren't pouring billions into the game out of the goodness of their hearts, it's ALL about revenue earned from advertising and why should their vehicle for that advertising be suspended for a couple of months in the run up to Christmas? What if Sky say that they are going to seriously reduce what they're prepared to pay for the rights if there's a suspension that season? Who will cover the losses? What will happen if clubs start introducing clauses into players' contracts, saying that they wont release them to play any more than just one or two internationals outside of the traditional summer break, in order to cover themselves if the Premiership isn't suspended? FIFA can't force the clubs to lose the majority of their players for several weeks if there isn't a suspension. I suspect this one is far from over yet.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 24, 2015 18:05:51 GMT
All the countries under UEFA, should refuse to take part in 2022, if that doesn't bring the corrupt FIFA wankers down, nothing will.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 24, 2015 18:07:43 GMT
And we all know it's corrupt but to accept a summer bid knowing full well it has to be moved and then all the countries accepting it takes the piss
A world cup should not be held on any country that isn't a traditional football country.
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Post by basingstokie on Feb 24, 2015 19:59:24 GMT
If Qatar had bid based on a winter tournament and won then fair do's. But they bid for a summer tournament and that is what they must deliver. In fairness to the Qatari's they did bid for a summer tournament and appear to have had plans (however ludicrous) to deal with the heat.
What Fifa have now said is 'we don't believe your bid for a summer tournament can be delivered by you, so we will move it to the European winter.
Surely this amounts (on Fifa's part) to an amendment to the conditions the tournament is awarded under and therefore the whole bidding process is void.
Qatar should be told to deliver according to their bid (summer tournament and basically air conditioning for the whole country). If they can't do that then the tournament will be a disaster and it will completely expose that the Fifa execs who vote were pretty much only interested in the size of the brown envelopes rather than the quality and deliverability of their bid.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 24, 2015 21:42:09 GMT
it's too late now but in the case of 2022 all the losing nations in the bidding process should have collectivity taken legal action to ensure if for any reason qatar could not hold the World cup in summer which was one of the bid criteria it should be taken off them and re bid as soon as the inability to hold a summer cup became clear,sadly 2 options now 1] shut up and accept it ,or 2] pull out, but one country doing this wont work as others have said needs uefa enblock to pull out then blatter will have no choice but to compromise as he, as always will follow the money and uefa is the money ! I disagree it's too late. 7 years yet
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 24, 2015 21:53:08 GMT
Qatar and FIFA must have breached the original terms on which the bids were made as soon as the recommendation is ratified. At this point the competing bidders ought to be in a position to take legal action if only to compete on the changed terms of reference.
It definitely stinks particularly as so many are rolling over so easily.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 24, 2015 22:04:45 GMT
We all know what is going to happen. The WC will go ahead as FIFA want it and everyone will knuckle under. We all now why. The game is run by corrupt people. Don't be surprised to see the Prem clubs opt out of the league (Capital 1) cup that season, which will probably start 1st Saturday in July.
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Post by HappyClapper on Feb 24, 2015 22:14:19 GMT
I bet if the premier league refuse to release players they'll face sanctions from FIFA!
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Post by enuntio on Feb 24, 2015 23:13:44 GMT
The F.A. Should seriously consider leaving F.I.F.A. along with France, Italy, Germany, Spain. These five nations with a population of around 250 million are currently the financial backbone of football. Are we going to miss playing Azerbaijan? Are San Marino going to miss playing Italy? F.I.F.A. has run it's course, it doesn't just need reorganising, it needs dismantling and now is the time to do it. Club football has never been as strong as it is today. 75% of the players it Brazil 2014 played in the European leagues. Theses leagues should be treated accordingly. The World Cup should be arranged around them and not the other way round. Soon there will be a few dozen very teased off league clubs as well as football associations that they belong to. They have the money to start their own competition, the question is, do they have the balls?
On the plus side if it meant we could watch Stoke okay in June and July it wouldn't be so bad, would it?
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 24, 2015 23:17:52 GMT
In terms of safety and security, the Qatar bid considers its compact hosting concept as advantageous. A concept would have to be established to enable adequate testing of the proposed security model prior to the event under conditions comparable to the FIFA World Cup™. International standards for health and medical services are likely to be met. However, the fact that the competition is planned in June/July, the two hottest months of the year in this region, has to be considered as a potential health risk for players, of fi cials, the FIFA family and spectators, and requires precautions
from FIFA's pre voting evaluation team, no mention of a winter World Cup !
in terms of safety only one bid for both the 2018 and 2022 World cup's was seen as HIGH RISK guess who !
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Post by sheriff on Feb 24, 2015 23:40:04 GMT
I think this whole Qatar thing is a bit overly sensationalized. I don't know if they'll pull off the greatest World Cup show ever, but I can say with certainty, they'll host a fine, well-organized tournament come 2022. There shouldn't be this much hysteria over who hosts a footbaling tournament.
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Post by staffsvilla on Feb 24, 2015 23:45:25 GMT
I think this whole Qatar thing is a bit overly sensationalized. I don't know if they'll pull off the greatest World Cup show ever, but I can say with certainty, they'll host a fine, well-organized tournament come 2022. There shouldn't be this much hysteria over who hosts a footbaling tournament. it's not who's hosting it, it's when they are hosting it !
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Post by markytcd on Feb 24, 2015 23:50:45 GMT
I think this whole Qatar thing is a bit overly sensationalized. I don't know if they'll pull off the greatest World Cup show ever, but I can say with certainty, they'll host a fine, well-organized tournament come 2022. There shouldn't be this much hysteria over who hosts a footbaling tournament. it's not who's hosting it, it's when they are hosting it ! With all due respect I think you are missing the point.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Feb 24, 2015 23:58:53 GMT
Let's be honest, Premier League has to put up a figh to satisfy Sky (their masters) As sky lose out on the xmas schedule that is pretty important to them
UEFA don't care as it won't affect the champions league
FIFA don't care as long as they get the World Cup and all the sponsor money
The players will get more money from the England set up
They will all get compensation, it's all they will care about now.
Meanwhile thousands have died making it, it's being held in a country with a dubious human rights records and rights for women.
And which fans therefore should support such a regime? The World Cup should be a reward, for positive change. Instead they have blood on their hands and lined pockets.
It's a disgrace. Another sign of what's wrong with the world
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Post by daibando on Feb 25, 2015 0:06:20 GMT
I think this whole Qatar thing is a bit overly sensationalized. I don't know if they'll pull off the greatest World Cup show ever, but I can say with certainty, they'll host a fine, well-organized tournament come 2022. There shouldn't be this much hysteria over who hosts a footbaling tournament. it's not who's hosting it, it's when they are hosting it ! Hosting it in winter is a more important issue than the 1200 poor migrant workers who have already died???? Bizarre
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Post by jmst4 on Feb 25, 2015 0:06:35 GMT
If it goes ahead, I am not watching. Makes me sick to my stomach.
Surely self respecting countries will pull out?
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Post by hammered on Feb 25, 2015 0:26:55 GMT
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