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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2014 8:27:02 GMT
Surely the question shouldn't be is Guidetti going to be as good as a £15 million striker who can hit the ground running but is Guidetti on loan for the rest of the season likely to be a significant upgrade for us during that time over Crouch or even Kenwyne, if he's not, then what's the point?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 3, 2014 8:29:43 GMT
To be honest I think if this is true it's quite worrying. It gives the impression that we can't really attract anyone of any note. We need a striker scoring goals, bang in form and sharp. Guidetti hasn't kicked a ball in anger for so long now, what would be the point in loaning this guy? It'd take him a couple months to sharpen up and that's time we don't have. Steer well clear of this one Stoke! And this striker who is bang in form, sharp and scoring goals would 1....cost a fortune 2....be snapped up by clubs not on our radar Stoke City and the like will never sign those types for the reasons I have stated True but we simply can't be signing a player who isn't match fit, there's no point when there are alternatives.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jan 3, 2014 8:43:44 GMT
The story is not just about Guidetti,it says two strikers and a midfielder.
That could be read as 3 players plus Guidetti on loan,certainly 2 plus him.
If that is the case,seems a reasonable option to take on loan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 8:46:13 GMT
The story is not just about Guidetti,it says two strikers and a midfielder. That could be read as 3 players plus Guidetti on loan,certainly 2 plus him. If that is the case,seems a reasonable option to take on loan. Yes. Good option to take and have a look at. He won't be first and only choice.
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2014 8:49:20 GMT
And this striker who is bang in form, sharp and scoring goals would 1....cost a fortune 2....be snapped up by clubs not on our radar Stoke City and the like will never sign those types for the reasons I have stated True but we simply can't be signing a player who isn't match fit, there's no point when there are alternatives. I don't disagree with that mate Has he played any second team football this season ?......in which case he will be match fit ( ish ) but given the depth of Man Citys squad he's never gonna get 1st team football ? He might ( just might ) be fitter than we think
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Post by rawli on Jan 3, 2014 8:50:02 GMT
To be honest I think if this is true it's quite worrying. It gives the impression that we can't really attract anyone of any note. We need a striker scoring goals, bang in form and sharp. Guidetti hasn't kicked a ball in anger for so long now, what would be the point in loaning this guy? It'd take him a couple months to sharpen up and that's time we don't have. Steer well clear of this one Stoke! Players like you describe don't tend to move in January and if they do they cost an absolute fortune. The money for that kind of move has gone.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 3, 2014 8:50:50 GMT
I don't see any problem in Guidetti as a "try before you buy" addition to the squad. Worked with Shawcross, Delap and (for a few years) for Pennant. As said above, I would want another striker as well, though. I presume he is playing reasonably regularly for the Citeh development squad? If so he won't be totally lacking in match fitness.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 3, 2014 9:00:28 GMT
Not quite sure what to make of this. If we are considering taking this guy on loan for the rest of the season then we are obviously looking to make one of Assaidi or Ireland permanent which to me is a good thing.
As for Guidetti if its him plus another with one of Kenywne or Crouch going then I'd be happy with that.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 3, 2014 9:45:26 GMT
Seems the type we need to go for young , potential to improve with games , Assiaidi has been a great example of that
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 3, 2014 9:51:36 GMT
I don't see any problem in Guidetti as a "try before you buy" addition to the squad. Worked with Shawcross, Delap and (for a few years) for Pennant. As said above, I would want another striker as well, though. I presume he is playing reasonably regularly for the Citeh development squad? If so he won't be totally lacking in match fitness. When has he worked with Shawcross, Delap and Pennant? Considering he's only young and not played for that many clubs I fail to see how he's managed to previously work with the aforementioned players. Did he play with Shawcross at Antwerp? Don't think he was at Burton or Barnsley with Rory, was he? Did he come from Zaragoza and that's how he knows JP. Either way, I'd take him.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 3, 2014 9:53:12 GMT
I don't see any problem in Guidetti as a "try before you buy" addition to the squad. Worked with Shawcross, Delap and (for a few years) for Pennant. As said above, I would want another striker as well, though. I presume he is playing reasonably regularly for the Citeh development squad? If so he won't be totally lacking in match fitness. When has he worked with Shawcross, Delap and Pennant? Considering he's only young and not played for that many clubs I fail to see how he's managed to previously work with the aforementioned players. Did he play with Shawcross at Antwerp? Don't think he was at Burton or Barnsley with Rory, was he? Did he come from Zaragoza and that's how he knows JP. Either way, I'd take him. I'm still not sure here whether you're on a wind up or you're just a total fuckwit.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2014 9:54:01 GMT
Unbelievable Jeff
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Post by robrigo on Jan 3, 2014 9:55:38 GMT
I don't see any problem in Guidetti as a "try before you buy" addition to the squad. Worked with Shawcross, Delap and (for a few years) for Pennant. As said above, I would want another striker as well, though. I presume he is playing reasonably regularly for the Citeh development squad? If so he won't be totally lacking in match fitness. When has he worked with Shawcross, Delap and Pennant? Considering he's only young and not played for that many clubs I fail to see how he's managed to previously work with the aforementioned players. Did he play with Shawcross at Antwerp? Don't think he was at Burton or Barnsley with Rory, was he? Did he come from Zaragoza and that's how he knows JP. Either way, I'd take him. I think Lakeland means it worked with those players when we took them as a try before you buy option Gary, not as working together.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 3, 2014 10:07:59 GMT
When has he worked with Shawcross, Delap and Pennant? Considering he's only young and not played for that many clubs I fail to see how he's managed to previously work with the aforementioned players. Did he play with Shawcross at Antwerp? Don't think he was at Burton or Barnsley with Rory, was he? Did he come from Zaragoza and that's how he knows JP. Either way, I'd take him. I'm still not sure here whether you're on a wind up or you're just a total fuckwit. You've given him a get-out there ely
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Post by elystokie on Jan 3, 2014 10:10:44 GMT
I'm still not sure here whether you're on a wind up or you're just a total fuckwit. You've given him a get-out there ely Curse my good nature
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Post by f1rew0rks on Jan 3, 2014 10:17:28 GMT
I don't see any problem in Guidetti as a "try before you buy" addition to the squad. Worked with Shawcross, Delap and (for a few years) for Pennant. As said above, I would want another striker as well, though. I presume he is playing reasonably regularly for the Citeh development squad? If so he won't be totally lacking in match fitness. When has he worked with Shawcross, Delap and Pennant? Considering he's only young and not played for that many clubs I fail to see how he's managed to previously work with the aforementioned players. Did he play with Shawcross at Antwerp? Don't think he was at Burton or Barnsley with Rory, was he? Did he come from Zaragoza and that's how he knows JP. Either way, I'd take him. ha ha .... I know we shouldn't laugh at those who are one bulb short of a chandelier , that did make me smile :-)
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Post by slicko on Jan 3, 2014 10:26:28 GMT
True but we simply can't be signing a player who isn't match fit, there's no point when there are alternatives. I don't disagree with that mate Has he played any second team football this season ?......in which case he will be match fit ( ish ) but given the depth of Man Citys squad he's never gonna get 1st team football ? He might ( just might ) be fitter than we think Agree wholeheartedly. I've had this discussion on here before. Hernandez at Utd has no problems staying match fit although his playing minutes are small. It would be a strange set-up where 11 fit players train and the remaining 13 sit in a portacabin watching, playing xbox and eating pizzas. Pro clubs create the same match pressures for the full 24 man squad in U21s games and frendlies.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 3, 2014 10:37:35 GMT
When has he worked with Shawcross, Delap and Pennant? Considering he's only young and not played for that many clubs I fail to see how he's managed to previously work with the aforementioned players. Did he play with Shawcross at Antwerp? Don't think he was at Burton or Barnsley with Rory, was he? Did he come from Zaragoza and that's how he knows JP. Either way, I'd take him. I'm still not sure here whether you're on a wind up or you're just a total fuckwit.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 3, 2014 10:40:38 GMT
I don't see any problem in Guidetti as a "try before you buy" addition to the squad. Worked with Shawcross, Delap and (for a few years) for Pennant. As said above, I would want another striker as well, though. I presume he is playing reasonably regularly for the Citeh development squad? If so he won't be totally lacking in match fitness. This. If it really is only a 6 month loan with City refusing to sell him then theres not really any point. But if theres a chance of buying him come the summer if it works out then whats not to like. He probably wont be a nailed on starter at first. But look at Assaidi, after spending the first 2 months of the season on our bench he has forced his way into the side. Hughes will give these players the chance to break through when the timing is right and he finds his form. To be honest Hughes is a million times better than Pulis when it comes to playing players in form and dropping them when they are out of form. Sounds an easy job but some managers cant do it
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 3, 2014 10:46:00 GMT
Just had a nose on superguidetti's twitter. Looks like he's been back to full training & playing since November 2013. So could be match fit, assuming he's been worked hard. But can't find any stats at all re: goals & assists...
Begs the question: is this the same Guidetti who stormed Feyenoord?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 3, 2014 11:08:45 GMT
You've given him a get-out there ely Curse my good nature The fuckwit theory is usually spot on in such cases!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 3, 2014 11:11:01 GMT
Just had a nose on superguidetti's twitter. Looks like he's been back to full training & playing since November 2013. So could be match fit, assuming he's been worked hard. But can't find any stats at all re: goals & assists... Begs the question: is this the same Guidetti who stormed Feyenoord? What exactly was his injury and how serious was it? If it's something that could return then the risk factor is great. If it's one that has just needed a lengthy recovery with no long term danger then he was one of the brightest emerging talents around.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 3, 2014 11:11:42 GMT
I'm still not sure here whether you're on a wind up or you're just a total fuckwit. Stand up for yourself Gary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 11:14:57 GMT
Just had a nose on superguidetti's twitter. Looks like he's been back to full training & playing since November 2013. So could be match fit, assuming he's been worked hard. But can't find any stats at all re: goals & assists... Begs the question: is this the same Guidetti who stormed Feyenoord? What exactly was his injury and how serious was it? If it's something that could return then the risk factor is great. If it's one that has just needed a lengthy recovery with no long term danger then he was one of the brightest emerging talents around. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/exclusive-john-guidetti-interview-striker-1403623
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 3, 2014 11:16:57 GMT
Just had a nose on superguidetti's twitter. Looks like he's been back to full training & playing since November 2013. So could be match fit, assuming he's been worked hard. But can't find any stats at all re: goals & assists... Begs the question: is this the same Guidetti who stormed Feyenoord? What exactly was his injury and how serious was it? If it's something that could return then the risk factor is great. If it's one that has just needed a lengthy recovery with no long term danger then he was one of the brightest emerging talents around. He caught a 'mystery virus' that gave him a dead right leg, just as he was threatening to turn stratospheric with Feyenoord. They just missed out on the league after his virus hit. Took him out from May 12 to Nov 13... Work that out??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 11:20:28 GMT
Greetings fellow Stokies. Fresh from dressing up as Tonto at the NYE Party (It's better than Bin Laden before anyone starts...) our friend Carto has sent us a scouting report on our potential loan ranger. Here is his scouting report on a player they refer to as "matchstick".
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2014 11:38:34 GMT
Pellegrini“We will see now we are in January,” Pellegrini said. “John was not at Swansea because he had a little problem in his knee but we will see in the transfer window if he goes – maybe it’s a chance for him to start playing.
“We have four very important strikers, and John must play after being out for a long time with an injury to his knee.”
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 3, 2014 11:42:30 GMT
Just chatting with a Man City supporting mate who thinks Guidetti does have a future with them if Dzeko moves in the summer which is what he's expecting.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 3, 2014 11:49:23 GMT
What exactly was his injury and how serious was it? If it's something that could return then the risk factor is great. If it's one that has just needed a lengthy recovery with no long term danger then he was one of the brightest emerging talents around. He caught a 'mystery virus' that gave him a dead right leg, just as he was threatening to turn stratospheric with Feyenoord. They just missed out on the league after his virus hit. Took him out from May 12 to Nov 13... Work that out?? That's a hell of a long time out of the game for such a young player. It looks like Pellegrini wants to see him in the Prem for the rest of the season so someone will get him.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 3, 2014 12:04:00 GMT
Stand up for yourself Gary. I'll get my revenge.
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