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Post by Tosh on Jul 15, 2013 14:28:53 GMT
just reading a story about robbie rogers, www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23288762with the recent crack downs on racism at the moment i think this would be the ideal time for any gay footballer to come out. i honestly dont think that they would get as much stick as people think. its 2013 for christ sake, not 1963. it would surely be a case of bans and fines for any club / fans that do, so it wouldnt last long if it started. not meaning to open up a homophobic debate, but i for one wouldnt give a shit if there were gay players at stoke, or any other club for that matter. cant help but have a little smile at the blokes name though.  |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 15, 2013 14:30:19 GMT
You're amongst friends on here mate. Anything you want to share ?  |
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Post by Tosh on Jul 15, 2013 14:33:14 GMT
im partial to a sneaky finger, but only off my mrs. no man hands, im delicate  |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 15, 2013 14:50:13 GMT
just reading a story about robbie rogers, www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23288762with the recent crack downs on racism at the moment i think this would be the ideal time for any gay footballer to come out. i honestly dont think that they would get as much stick as people think. its 2013 for christ sake, not 1963. it would surely be a case of bans and fines for any club / fans that do, so it wouldnt last long if it started. not meaning to open up a homophobic debate, but i for one wouldnt give a shit if there were gay players at stoke, or any other club for that matter. cant help but have a little smile at the blokes name though. Can just imagine a gay player coming out and then the next game all youd hear is "team full of benders youre just a team full of benders team full of beeenndders youre just a team full of benders |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 14:52:58 GMT
Some players do lead double lives  |
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 15, 2013 15:19:11 GMT
Why do all these footballers have to hide the fact they are gay by having girlfriends/wifes and kids Seriously I don't think there are many gay footballers. |
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 15, 2013 15:20:25 GMT
Eddie is that John Terry's head super imposed or is it a proper lookalike? Haha wtf
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 15, 2013 15:22:47 GMT
Can anyone remember when Stacey coldicott used to come on against us for WBA? He used to get wolf whistled.
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Jul 15, 2013 16:48:43 GMT
Ivor adacokateau France came out a few years back but not many since. See why idiots would make shite jokes about it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 15, 2013 23:31:13 GMT
In 2013 anti gay bigotry is deemed unacceptable throughout society. Many workplaces have processes in place to ensure employees aren’t victimized on the grounds of their sexuality yet gay footballers feel unable to come out. This doesn’t reflect well on football. We’ll only know how coming out effects a footballers life and career when a gay player makes the decision to declare his sexuality, hopefully he would receive the same level of support Jason Collins a basketball player with the Washington Wizards received when he came out.
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 15, 2013 23:36:41 GMT
In 2013 anti gay bigotry is deemed unacceptable throughout society. Many workplaces have processes in place to ensure employees aren’t victimized on the grounds of their sexuality yet gay footballers feel unable to come out. This doesn’t reflect well on football. We’ll only know how coming out effects a footballers life and career when a gay player makes the decision to declare his sexuality, hopefully he would receive the same level of support Jason Collins a basketball player with the Washington Wizards received when he came out. BUT what if there are NO gay footballers? Why do they have to be gay? If they are gay they would have a boyfriend it would be known. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 15, 2013 23:39:05 GMT
I know. I've wondered what if there are no gay footballers too! BUT PFA chairman Clarke Carlisle has said that at least eight players have told him they are gay, seven of whom told him they are reluctant to go public because of a possible negative reaction of supporters and media.
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Post by cmc89 on Jul 15, 2013 23:50:27 GMT
]BUT what if there are NO gay footballers? Why do they have to be gay? If they are gay they would have a boyfriend it would be known. Basic percentages suggests there are plenty mate. |
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Post by pittshillplotter on Jul 16, 2013 0:03:57 GMT
In 2013 anti gay bigotry is deemed unacceptable throughout society. Many workplaces have processes in place to ensure employees aren’t victimized on the grounds of their sexuality yet gay footballers feel unable to come out. This doesn’t reflect well on football. We’ll only know how coming out effects a footballers life and career when a gay player makes the decision to declare his sexuality, hopefully he would receive the same level of support Jason Collins a basketball player with the Washington Wizards received when he came out. No ...I'm afraid that's not true or accurate at all. There are many countries and societies across the world where homosexual behaviour is illegal and those practising it face harsh punishment or even worse. This includes footballers and anyone else for that matter. Why is it so important that they feel the need to 'come out'.? Why should society make special provision for behaviour that is not acceptable by practically any religion you wish to mention..? If you subscribe to the notion that peoples religious beliefs should be recognised and accepted , then you should not be describing such matters as 'anti gay bigotry'. There seems to be an incredible obsession in this country to force such issues into the limelight with the sole purpose of alienating those who it disgusts for a variety of reasons. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 16, 2013 0:56:48 GMT
Why shouldn't they come out? Why shouldn't anybody be able to feel comfortable about their sexuality? Surely it's an affront to us all that they wouldn't feel safe. If someone can be open about their sexual orientation how is that a bad thing?
Why does anyone deem it 'unacceptable'? On what doctrine is that based?
If heterosexual people had been subjected to hudreds of years of systematic abuse there may well be need for an organisation to raise awareness of the issue.
More to the point why did Collins feel able to come out yet footballers don't?
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Post by jbstokie on Jul 16, 2013 1:21:21 GMT
Why shouldn't they come out? Why shouldn't anybody be able to feel comfortable about their sexuality? Surely it's an affront to us all that they wouldn't feel safe. If someone can be open about their sexual orientation how is that a bad thing? Why does anyone deem it 'unacceptable'? On what doctrine is that based? If heterosexual people had been subjected to hudreds of years of systematic abuse there may well be need for an organisation to raise awareness of the issue. More to the point why did Collins feel able to come out yet footballers don't? I am indifferent to anyone's sexuality but the footballers that do come out would be subject to abuse from opposing fans. If footballers do start to come out though it would be great for both the gay community and the football community imo. The reason that it is deemed as unacceptable by many, is religion and the effect it has had on how people were brought up. |
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Post by Arthurdollar on Jul 16, 2013 4:33:57 GMT
The majority of Gay footballers like it up the arse i am told.
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Post by NassauDave on Jul 16, 2013 5:09:58 GMT
So Fabregas is coming back soon then.......
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 16, 2013 5:46:52 GMT
In 2013 anti gay bigotry is deemed unacceptable throughout society. Many workplaces have processes in place to ensure employees aren’t victimized on the grounds of their sexuality yet gay footballers feel unable to come out. This doesn’t reflect well on football. We’ll only know how coming out effects a footballers life and career when a gay player makes the decision to declare his sexuality, hopefully he would receive the same level of support Jason Collins a basketball player with the Washington Wizards received when he came out. No ...I'm afraid that's not true or accurate at all. There are many countries and societies across the world where homosexual behaviour is illegal and those practising it face harsh punishment or even worse. This includes footballers and anyone else for that matter. Why is it so important that they feel the need to 'come out'.? Why should society make special provision for behaviour that is not acceptable by practically any religion you wish to mention..? If you subscribe to the notion that peoples religious beliefs should be recognised and accepted , then you should not be describing such matters as 'anti gay bigotry'. There seems to be an incredible obsession in this country to force such issues into the limelight with the sole purpose of alienating those who it disgusts for a variety of reasons. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? Do you really think many in this country would have a problem with a "straight pride" march if someone decided to organise one? I certainly wouldn't - just as I have no problem with a gay pride march. I wouldn't understand the NEED for a straight pride march because I don't see any widespread prejudice against heterosexuals, but if someone wants to organise one, that is fine by me. If you don't like the fact that the law in this country specifies that there should be no discrimination against gay people then change the law. But until/unless it is changed then abide by the law and don't bring religion into it. If I (as an agnostic) should recognise and accept your right to hold religious beliefs (which I do) then surely you should recognise and accept people's right to live by any ethical code - providing that code doesn't conflict with the law of the land. I'm not gay but I have several gay friends and I can certainly understand why some of them find it so difficult to come out. I've never understood why some people of religious faith expect tolerance of their own beliefs yet won't show the same tolerance towards people who have different beliefs - providing of course that those beliefs do not conflict with the law of the land. I live near Keswick - this week there is a huge (and I do mean huge) Christian convention in the town. I doubt if the majority of people in Keswick would describe themselves as practising Christians yet they make the people attending the convention welcome - as they do every year without fail. So, we tolerate the beliefs of our visitors despite the inevitable disruption that so many visitors brings to a small town. It is sad that so many of those visitors are so intolerant of the lifestyle of many who don't share their religious convictions - I have had anti abortion and anti gay material pressed into my hand many times during convention week.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 6:23:44 GMT
im partial to a sneaky finger, but only off my mrs. no man hands, im delicate Julian has hands like a bucket.....that is all......oh, and I'm with you sister  |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jul 16, 2013 7:04:19 GMT
Maybe the FA could draw up a list of what fans can take the piss out of and what they can't.  |
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 16, 2013 7:47:10 GMT
]BUT what if there are NO gay footballers? Why do they have to be gay? If they are gay they would have a boyfriend it would be known. Basic percentages suggests there are plenty mate. I work with 20 people all are married with kids or in a relationship with other sex. Now are you telling me one or more of us are gay. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 16, 2013 8:08:51 GMT
Basic percentages suggests there are plenty mate. I work with 20 people all are married with kids or in a relationship with other sex. Now are you telling me one or more of us are gay. You do realise that there are a lot more than 20 professional footballers in Britain? For arguments sake let's assume every club employs 20 professionals. That's 1,840 men. Do you seriously think that there is any chance on earth that none of those people are gay? It may be a stereotype but I'd go along with the notion that percentage wise there are probably less gay footballers than in many other professions. However, the chances of there being no gay footballers in a sample size that large is about as likely as Elvis being found alive on Jupiter. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 16, 2013 8:14:30 GMT
I work with 20 people all are married with kids or in a relationship with other sex. Now are you telling me one or more of us are gay. You do realise that there are a lot more than 20 professional footballers in Britain? For arguments sake let's assume every club employs 20 professionals. That's 1,840 men. Do you seriously think that there is any chance on earth that none of those people are gay? It may be a stereotype but I'd go along with the notion that percentage wise there are probably less gay footballers than in many other professions. However, the chances of there being no gay footballers in a sample size that large is about as likely as Elvis being found alive on Jupiter. You haven't read today's Daily Star, I take it?  |
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Post by capto on Jul 16, 2013 8:16:13 GMT
Maybe gay footballers will come out when gay football supporters come out?
But, I dunner care, if the players good enough to wear the red n white stripes, I onner, er, arsed, what his sexual orientation is - that's his business. It's only the 90 mins on the pitch that matters to me!
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2013 8:20:44 GMT
In 2013 anti gay bigotry is deemed unacceptable throughout society. Many workplaces have processes in place to ensure employees aren’t victimized on the grounds of their sexuality yet gay footballers feel unable to come out. This doesn’t reflect well on football. We’ll only know how coming out effects a footballers life and career when a gay player makes the decision to declare his sexuality, hopefully he would receive the same level of support Jason Collins a basketball player with the Washington Wizards received when he came out. No ...I'm afraid that's not true or accurate at all. There are many countries and societies across the world where homosexual behaviour is illegal and those practising it face harsh punishment or even worse. This includes footballers and anyone else for that matter. Why is it so important that they feel the need to 'come out'.? Why should society make special provision for behaviour that is not acceptable by practically any religion you wish to mention..? If you subscribe to the notion that peoples religious beliefs should be recognised and accepted , then you should not be describing such matters as 'anti gay bigotry'. There seems to be an incredible obsession in this country to force such issues into the limelight with the sole purpose of alienating those who it disgusts for a variety of reasons. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? There's an easy answer to this one - people's religious beliefs should not be 'recognised and accepted' beyond the simple fact that individuals have the right to believe whatever they want to believe. If what those individuals believe is bigoted and they express it in public, or in a way which affects other people's lives, then we all have a right to call it out as bigotry. |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 16, 2013 8:38:48 GMT
the chanting at football grounds is totally different to any other sport in the world.
anything fans can use to shout at players or opposing fans they do
gay players would not want to subject themselves to that.
ffs le saux had tonnes of abuse when he came to stoke for being gay and hes married with kids
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 16, 2013 8:43:07 GMT
No ...I'm afraid that's not true or accurate at all. There are many countries and societies across the world where homosexual behaviour is illegal and those practising it face harsh punishment or even worse. This includes footballers and anyone else for that matter. Why is it so important that they feel the need to 'come out'.? Why should society make special provision for behaviour that is not acceptable by practically any religion you wish to mention..? If you subscribe to the notion that peoples religious beliefs should be recognised and accepted , then you should not be describing such matters as 'anti gay bigotry'. There seems to be an incredible obsession in this country to force such issues into the limelight with the sole purpose of alienating those who it disgusts for a variety of reasons. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? There's an easy answer to this one - people's religious beliefs should not be 'recognised and accepted' beyond the simple fact that individuals have the right to believe whatever they want to believe. If what those individuals believe is bigoted and they express it in public, or in a way which affects other people's lives, then we all have a right to call it out as bigotry. Well said. I agree with all of that. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 16, 2013 8:45:36 GMT
the chanting at football grounds is totally different to any other sport in the world. anything fans can use to shout at players or opposing fans they do gay players would not want to subject themselves to that. ffs le saux had tonnes of abuse when he came to stoke for being gay and hes married with kids I'm trying to remember why English football fans decided to brand Le Saux as gay? Was it because he read The Guardian or because he had and "exotic" surname? |
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 16, 2013 8:56:08 GMT
the chanting at football grounds is totally different to any other sport in the world. anything fans can use to shout at players or opposing fans they do gay players would not want to subject themselves to that. ffs le saux had tonnes of abuse when he came to stoke for being gay and hes married with kids I'm trying to remember why English football fans decided to brand Le Saux as gay? Was it because he read The Guardian or because he had and "exotic" surname? He was into antiques and art and all that jazz. Robbie Fowler also bent over and wiggled his arse at Le Saux during a match.  |
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