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Post by Gods on Jul 16, 2013 8:56:28 GMT
the chanting at football grounds is totally different to any other sport in the world. anything fans can use to shout at players or opposing fans they do gay players would not want to subject themselves to that. ffs le saux had tonnes of abuse when he came to stoke for being gay and hes married with kids I'm trying to remember why English football fans decided to brand Le Saux as gay? Was it because he read The Guardian or because he had and "exotic" surname? While a poncy surname didn't help I think the Guardian, the paper of unlimited sanctimony and hypocricy, did for him in the end.
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Post by ohbottom on Jul 16, 2013 8:56:52 GMT
No ...I'm afraid that's not true or accurate at all. There are many countries and societies across the world where homosexual behaviour is illegal and those practising it face harsh punishment or even worse. This includes footballers and anyone else for that matter. Why is it so important that they feel the need to 'come out'.? Why should society make special provision for behaviour that is not acceptable by practically any religion you wish to mention..? If you subscribe to the notion that peoples religious beliefs should be recognised and accepted , then you should not be describing such matters as 'anti gay bigotry'. There seems to be an incredible obsession in this country to force such issues into the limelight with the sole purpose of alienating those who it disgusts for a variety of reasons. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? There's an easy answer to this one - people's religious beliefs should not be 'recognised and accepted' beyond the simple fact that individuals have the right to believe whatever they want to believe. If what those individuals believe is bigoted and they express it in public, or in a way which affects other people's lives, then we all have a right to call it out as bigotry. Exactly right Potterlog. Just because people who hold homophobic (or sexist or racist) views cite their religion as justification for those views doesn't mean they are not bigots. If a person says their religion means they should stone an adulterer to death, should we tolerate that?
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Post by eddyclamp on Jul 16, 2013 9:05:52 GMT
Robbie Rogers ,what an apt name.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 9:13:51 GMT
There's an easy answer to this one - people's religious beliefs should not be 'recognised and accepted' beyond the simple fact that individuals have the right to believe whatever they want to believe. If what those individuals believe is bigoted and they express it in public, or in a way which affects other people's lives, then we all have a right to call it out as bigotry. Exactly right Potterlog. Just because people who hold homophobic (or sexist or racist) views cite their religion as justification for those views doesn't mean they are not bigots. If a person says their religion means they should stone an adulterer to death, should we tolerate that? As one bum said to the other bum ...''does my arse look fat in this dress...?''
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Post by Gods on Jul 16, 2013 9:30:10 GMT
Exactly right Potterlog. Just because people who hold homophobic (or sexist or racist) views cite their religion as justification for those views doesn't mean they are not bigots. If a person says their religion means they should stone an adulterer to death, should we tolerate that? As one bum said to the other bum ...''does my arse look fat in this dress...?''
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Post by bostonstokie on Jul 16, 2013 11:30:29 GMT
I give Robbie Rogers a ton of credit, can't be easy. Though the chanting here in the States isn't close to what it is in the UK or Europe - people who shout bigoted things actually are more likely to get drowned out these days.
People who are surprised that there would be gay footballers are living in a dream world... Same dream world as people who are surprised that there are football fans who are anti-gay and homophobic...
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Post by eddyclamp on Jul 16, 2013 12:21:40 GMT
I give Robbie Rogers a ton of credit, can't be easy. Though the chanting here in the States isn't close to what it is in the UK or Europe - people who shout bigoted things actually are more likely to get drowned out these days. People who are surprised that there would be gay footballers are living in a dream world... Same dream world as people who are surprised that there are football fans who are anti-gay and homophobic... Not in Stoke mate , we have had a gay elected mayor , an Asian mayor and we have an MP called Tristram .
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Post by ihaveadream on Jul 16, 2013 12:35:20 GMT
In 2013 anti gay bigotry is deemed unacceptable throughout society. Many workplaces have processes in place to ensure employees aren’t victimized on the grounds of their sexuality yet gay footballers feel unable to come out. This doesn’t reflect well on football. We’ll only know how coming out effects a footballers life and career when a gay player makes the decision to declare his sexuality, hopefully he would receive the same level of support Jason Collins a basketball player with the Washington Wizards received when he came out. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? Religious people also regard adultery as just as unacceptable as in 1913. Why should gay players who may well be in a faithful stable relationship get abuse when the likes of Wayne Rooney and John terry do not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2013 12:36:56 GMT
In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? Religious people also regard adultery as just as unacceptable as in 1913. Why should gay players who may well be in a faithful stable relationship get abuse when the likes of Wayne Rooney and John terry do not. Rooney and Terry don't get abuse? They do where I sit.
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Post by ihaveadream on Jul 16, 2013 12:41:06 GMT
Religious people also regard adultery as just as unacceptable as in 1913. Why should gay players who may well be in a faithful stable relationship get abuse when the likes of Wayne Rooney and John terry do not. Rooney and Terry don't get abuse? They do where I sit. That is abuse they brought on themselves by taking the unfortunate decision to sign for cheating diving scummy teams like Man u and Chelsea so that doesn't count
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2013 12:44:37 GMT
Rooney and Terry don't get abuse? They do where I sit. That is abuse they brought on themselves by taking the unfortunate decision to sign for cheating diving scummy teams like Man u and Chelsea so that doesn't count I'd say calling Rooney a Granny shagger is a form of abuse because of adultery. And Terry gets called all sorts, shouts about shagging around can be heard from time to time.
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Post by ihaveadream on Jul 16, 2013 12:51:30 GMT
That is abuse they brought on themselves by taking the unfortunate decision to sign for cheating diving scummy teams like Man u and Chelsea so that doesn't count I'd say calling Rooney a Granny shagger is a form of abuse because of adultery. And Terry gets called all sorts, shouts about shagging around can be heard from time to time. Fair comment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 13:11:47 GMT
Percentages say there is more than one gay person on this forum.
Threads say that most are.
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 16, 2013 15:02:22 GMT
The reason why I think there may be no gay footballers or certainly in the prem is this: Everyone knows their business for example the knowledge on this forum could possibly eliminate Stoke from having a gay footballer I'll start.
Shawcross NO just married and kids Beggo NO has Mrs and kids
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 15:20:32 GMT
The reason why I think there may be no gay footballers or certainly in the prem is this: Everyone knows their business for example the knowledge on this forum could possibly eliminate Stoke from having a gay footballer I'll start. Shawcross NO just married and kids Beggo NO has Mrs and kids Oscar Wilde was married, so was Elton John
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Post by onionman on Jul 16, 2013 16:37:58 GMT
The reason why I think there may be no gay footballers or certainly in the prem is this: Everyone knows their business for example the knowledge on this forum could possibly eliminate Stoke from having a gay footballer I'll start. Shawcross NO just married and kids Beggo NO has Mrs and kids Oscar Wilde was married, so was Elton John So, in your analogy, Shawcross is Oscar Wilde. "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is being talked about by Arsene Wenger."
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 16, 2013 20:38:34 GMT
The reason why I think there may be no gay footballers or certainly in the prem is this: Everyone knows their business for example the knowledge on this forum could possibly eliminate Stoke from having a gay footballer I'll start. Shawcross NO just married and kids Beggo NO has Mrs and kids You live in cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 20:53:06 GMT
'No room for puffs in football'
Anyway...that's a very bigoted way of looking at it, and of course, totally wrong. Certainly not a view I hold.
What I don't understand is why there is some kind of stigma surrounding the sexuality of a footballer when football supporters openly chant the name(s) of fully grown men that have committed crimes such as rape (allegedly), assault, assaulting women, adultery, shooting kids with air rifles, racially aggravated assault, assaulting ball boys, tax evasion and in some cases, death by dangerous driving (Feel free to add any misdemeanor i've missed off). One of those is employed up the road and he has been worshipped at clubs like Oldham and Notts County since committing his crime.
Yet footballers are having to suffer in silence because they are attracted to men?
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 16, 2013 23:19:27 GMT
The reason why I think there may be no gay footballers or certainly in the prem is this: Everyone knows their business for example the knowledge on this forum could possibly eliminate Stoke from having a gay footballer I'll start. Shawcross NO just married and kids Beggo NO has Mrs and kids You live in cloud cuckoo land. Why's that, because I don't think many if any footballers are gay? You tell me one who is! I believe Pennant is a prime suspect what do you think?
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Post by Bombus on Jul 16, 2013 23:51:40 GMT
I work with 20 people all are married with kids or in a relationship with other sex. Now are you telling me one or more of us are gay. You do realise that there are a lot more than 20 professional footballers in Britain? For arguments sake let's assume every club employs 20 professionals. That's 1,840 men. Do you seriously think that there is any chance on earth that none of those people are gay? It may be a stereotype but I'd go along with the notion that percentage wise there are probably less gay footballers than in many other professions. However, the chances of there being no gay footballers in a sample size that large is about as likely as Elvis being found alive on Jupiter. TD, always make me smile
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 17, 2013 12:43:39 GMT
You live in cloud cuckoo land. Why's that, because I don't think many if any footballers are gay? You tell me one who is! I believe Pennant is a prime suspect what do you think? Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 17, 2013 12:47:35 GMT
Trouserdog, are you anticipating an 'hilarious' don't bend over when he's around type of comment??
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Post by onionman on Jul 17, 2013 12:59:00 GMT
Why's that, because I don't think many if any footballers are gay? You tell me one who is! I believe Pennant is a prime suspect what do you think? Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight. Gay footballers are easy to spot mate. They have a copy of the Guardian in their kitbag and a French sounding name. I can only think of one off the top of my head, but there's bound to be another one day. Does anyone know what newspaper Adam Le Fondre reads?
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 17, 2013 13:00:36 GMT
Why's that, because I don't think many if any footballers are gay? You tell me one who is! I believe Pennant is a prime suspect what do you think? Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight. Right OK explain why in the history of football as we know it only 1 gay footballer has announced he was gay even years and years after retirement there is ONLY 1 Gay sports people historyJustin Fashanu. It's not like they are going to get chanted at outside thier house is it so why not? Also your not telling me that if a footballer was dating a man nobody would know about it I mean come on how do they live a gay life without nobody knowing about it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 17, 2013 13:04:56 GMT
Well, plenty of people are secretly gay, hence being 'in the closet'.
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Post by Gods on Jul 17, 2013 13:06:25 GMT
Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight. Right OK explain why in the history of football as we know it only 1 gay footballer has announced he was gay even years and years after retirement there is ONLY 1 Gay sports people historyJustin Fashanu. It's not like they are going to get chanted at outside thier house is it so why not? Also your not telling me that if a footballer was dating a man nobody would know about it I mean come on how do they live a gay life without nobody knowing about it. Some may be gay but choose not to led a gay life for a quiet life.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 17, 2013 13:07:52 GMT
Some may be gay but choose not to led a gay life for a quiet life.
And that in itself is a sad reflection on football.
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Post by onionman on Jul 17, 2013 13:10:16 GMT
Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight. Right OK explain why in the history of football as we know it only 1 gay footballer has announced he was gay even years and years after retirement there is ONLY 1 Gay sports people historyJustin Fashanu. It's not like they are going to get chanted at outside thier house is it so why not? Also your not telling me that if a footballer was dating a man nobody would know about it I mean come on how do they live a gay life without nobody knowing about it. It went really well for Justin Fashanu didn't it. I'm surprised straight footballers don't start pretending their gay, such was the fantastic time Justin Fashanu enjoyed after coming out as a gay footballer.* * Except for the non-stop abuse from the media, being publicly disowned by his celebrity brother and ultimately getting wrongly accused of sex crimes which led to him taking his own life. It went really well apart from those bits.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 17, 2013 13:12:38 GMT
Remember though, Justin Fashanu's career was nearing it's end when he came out.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 17, 2013 14:33:06 GMT
Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight. Gay footballers are easy to spot mate. They have a copy of the Guardian in their kitbag and a French sounding name. I can only think of one off the top of my head, but there's bound to be another one day. Does anyone know what newspaper Adam Le Fondre reads? Le Fondre actually* translates as 'The Fondler' in French, so he's got to be one hasn't he? Plus I saw someone who looked a bit like him on Bargain Hunt the other day, looking at some antiques in someone's car boot. *maybe
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