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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 17, 2013 14:38:18 GMT
Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight. Right OK explain why in the history of football as we know it only 1 gay footballer has announced he was gay even years and years after retirement there is ONLY 1 Gay sports people historyJustin Fashanu. It's not like they are going to get chanted at outside thier house is it so why not? Also your not telling me that if a footballer was dating a man nobody would know about it I mean come on how do they live a gay life without nobody knowing about it. I'd exit this thread as gracefully as possible mate before you embarass yourself
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 17, 2013 14:47:02 GMT
Well, let's go back to basics shall we...the point of this thread, and the crux of the whole issue when it comes to gay footballers, is that they feel unable to be open about their sexuality for a number of reasons. Therefore, unless i personally know a load of footballers- which thank Christ i don't- then how on earth am I supposed to start naming which players are gay? This might come as a shock, but gay people generally look like straight people do- they're quite hard to pick out of a crowd, especially from a distance. What do you expect a gay footballer to look like? Do you think they'd come mincing out of the tunnel wearing lipstick and start trying to bum the other players on the pitch? Your view on this topic seems to be: Well, I've never seen two players sucking each other off on Match of the Day, therefore all footballers must be straight. Right OK explain why in the history of football as we know it only 1 gay footballer has announced he was gay even years and years after retirement there is ONLY 1 Gay sports people historyJustin Fashanu. It's not like they are going to get chanted at outside thier house is it so why not? Also your not telling me that if a footballer was dating a man nobody would know about it I mean come on how do they live a gay life without nobody knowing about it. Are you taking the piss? Do you really need that explaining to you? Right, fuck this, let's just move this discussion on a few posts because we'll only get here eventually... Ok listen, when Mummies and Daddies love each other, the Daddy puts his widgey into Mummy's foo-foo, yes?. However, some Daddies love other Daddies and so they put their widgeys into each other's bottys. or sometimes they might just have a little play with each other's widgeys. This is called being gay...and most people think that's OK. However, some naughty, bad people don't like this at all and so call the gay Daddies lots of nasty names. Therefore the gay Daddies don't always tell people that they are gay because they get a bit scared. Hope we've cleared this up now.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 17, 2013 14:49:23 GMT
Right OK explain why in the history of football as we know it only 1 gay footballer has announced he was gay even years and years after retirement there is ONLY 1 Gay sports people historyJustin Fashanu. It's not like they are going to get chanted at outside thier house is it so why not? Also your not telling me that if a footballer was dating a man nobody would know about it I mean come on how do they live a gay life without nobody knowing about it. Are you taking the piss? Do you really need that explaining to you? Right, fuck this, let's just move this discussion on a few posts because we'll only get here eventually... Ok listen, when Mummies and Daddies love each other, the Daddy puts his widgey into Mummy's foo-foo, yes?. However, some Daddies love other Daddies and so they put their widgeys into each other's bottys. or sometimes they might just have a little play with each other's widgeys. This is called being gay...and most people think that's OK. However, some naughty, bad people don't like this at all and so call the gay Daddies lots of nasty names. Therefore the gay Daddies don't always tell people that they are gay because they get a bit scared. Hope we've cleared this up now. I think you may have made that a bit too technical for your target audience, TD. I always find that using Noddy Book 2 as a template works best for this sort of thing!
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Post by onionman on Jul 17, 2013 14:51:32 GMT
Gay footballers are easy to spot mate. They have a copy of the Guardian in their kitbag and a French sounding name. I can only think of one off the top of my head, but there's bound to be another one day. Does anyone know what newspaper Adam Le Fondre reads? Le Fondre actually* translates as 'The Fondler' in French, so he's got to be one hasn't he? Plus I saw someone who looked a bit like him on Bargain Hunt the other day, looking at some antiques in someone's car boot. *maybe Did he look like he'd been eating prawn cocktail crisps? That's another sign. Straight crispsReady salted Salt and vinegar Cheese and onion Worcester sauce Barbecue beef Roast chicken Gay crispsPrawn cocktail
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 17, 2013 15:05:55 GMT
Le Fondre actually* translates as 'The Fondler' in French, so he's got to be one hasn't he? Plus I saw someone who looked a bit like him on Bargain Hunt the other day, looking at some antiques in someone's car boot. *maybe Did he look like he'd been eating prawn cocktail crisps? That's another sign. Straight crispsReady salted Salt and vinegar Cheese and onion Worcester sauce Barbecue beef Roast chicken Gay crispsPrawn cocktail Gulp. I think i've got some prawn cocktail crisps in the cupboard. If I eat them could they actually make me gay, or are they just a snack that tends to attract gays due to their effeminate packaging and general ponciness? If I buy some Monster Munch and put them next to the prawn cocktail will that balance things out? I've just realised that I read the Guardian as well. This isn't looking good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 15:18:11 GMT
I eat gay crisps too.
Squeaky bum time.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 17, 2013 15:21:49 GMT
Double fucking fuck. I've just Googled the origin of my surname and it's of Gallic origin. I daren't watch Cash in the Attic ever again.
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 17, 2013 15:23:28 GMT
Right OK explain why in the history of football as we know it only 1 gay footballer has announced he was gay even years and years after retirement there is ONLY 1 Gay sports people historyJustin Fashanu. It's not like they are going to get chanted at outside thier house is it so why not? Also your not telling me that if a footballer was dating a man nobody would know about it I mean come on how do they live a gay life without nobody knowing about it. Are you taking the piss? Do you really need that explaining to you? Right, fuck this, let's just move this discussion on a few posts because we'll only get here eventually... Ok listen, when Mummies and Daddies love each other, the Daddy puts his widgey into Mummy's foo-foo, yes?. However, some Daddies love other Daddies and so they put their widgeys into each other's bottys. or sometimes they might just have a little play with each other's widgeys. This is called being gay...and most people think that's OK. However, some naughty, bad people don't like this at all and so call the gay Daddies lots of nasty names. Therefore the gay Daddies don't always tell people that they are gay because they get a bit scared. Hope we've cleared this up now. Ok Daddie, so there is no chance that there are no gay footballers in the prem Jesus wept. Your obviously certain there is with absolutely no evidence why is it more shocking there isn't any gay footballers. If you have 20 straight men why is it not possible to have another group of 20 straight men and so on why does everybody feel the need to say come on at least 2 of you must be gay. All I'm saying is it is not in the realms of possibility there isn't any gay footballers in the prem. I have never said people can't be gay nor have I said I don't like gays. Nor have I said I don't understand what makes a person gay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 15:28:33 GMT
Double fucking fuck. I've just Googled the origin of my surname and it's of Gallic origin. I daren't watch Cash in the Attic ever again. You've been cocked more times than John Wayne's rifle.
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Post by onionman on Jul 17, 2013 15:39:41 GMT
Did he look like he'd been eating prawn cocktail crisps? That's another sign. Straight crispsReady salted Salt and vinegar Cheese and onion Worcester sauce Barbecue beef Roast chicken Gay crispsPrawn cocktail Gulp. I think i've got some prawn cocktail crisps in the cupboard. If I eat them could they actually make me gay, or are they just a snack that tends to attract gays due to their effeminate packaging and general ponciness? If I buy some Monster Munch and put them next to the prawn cocktail will that balance things out? I've just realised that I read the Guardian as well. This isn't looking good. The crisps won't turn you gay - that's not how gay works - but the fact you've bought them suggests you're probably harbouring some kind of gay spirit. Monster Munch to balance them out isn't a bad idea. Also cheese puffs, despite their name, are one of the straightest of all the crisps. What was the last pie you bought? If it's steak and kidney or meat and potato, your getting worried over nothing. If it's chicken and mushroom, you might as well book yourself in for a lads weekend in the Nottingham Travelodge with Stafford Stokie.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 17, 2013 15:43:29 GMT
Are you taking the piss? Do you really need that explaining to you? Right, fuck this, let's just move this discussion on a few posts because we'll only get here eventually... Ok listen, when Mummies and Daddies love each other, the Daddy puts his widgey into Mummy's foo-foo, yes?. However, some Daddies love other Daddies and so they put their widgeys into each other's bottys. or sometimes they might just have a little play with each other's widgeys. This is called being gay...and most people think that's OK. However, some naughty, bad people don't like this at all and so call the gay Daddies lots of nasty names. Therefore the gay Daddies don't always tell people that they are gay because they get a bit scared. Hope we've cleared this up now. Ok Daddie, so there is no chance that there are no gay footballers in the prem Jesus wept. Your obviously certain there is with absolutely no evidence why is it more shocking there isn't any gay footballers. If you have 20 straight men why is it not possible to have another group of 20 straight men and so on why does everybody feel the need to say come on at least 2 of you must be gay. All I'm saying is it is not in the realms of possibility there isn't any gay footballers in the prem. I have never said people can't be gay nor have I said I don't like gays. Nor have I said I don't understand what makes a person gay. Well, unless a footballer announces that he's gay or creeps into my house and bums me in the night then I can't be certain- but the odds of there NOT being a homosexual amongst nearly 2,000 men are so ridiculously long that I think it's safer to assume that there are at least some. If 1 in 20 people are gay (which i think's quite a conservative estimate) then out of 1,840, statistically you would expect there to be 92 homosexuals. Football's not likely a profession to attract gay men, etc etc, that's probably a valid argument, so let's go crazy- let's times the probability by five and say 1 in 100. Even at this outlandish figure, there would still be 18.4 homosexual footballers. (I'm not sure who the 0.4 is...perhaps he's a bi-sexual). What you seem to be after is some sort of proof of this in the shape of an actual footballer being waved around in front of you on a stick, with cries of "Look, here he is...here's a gay footballer, we've caught one." We don't have that, for reasons that have been explained quite clearly, but what we do have are statistics that are so overwhelmingly in favour of there being a gay footballer, that it's more rational to accept that there will be at least one-if not many more- than to assume there isn't. If you can't see why this makes this sense then I give up.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 17, 2013 15:45:43 GMT
Gulp. I think i've got some prawn cocktail crisps in the cupboard. If I eat them could they actually make me gay, or are they just a snack that tends to attract gays due to their effeminate packaging and general ponciness? If I buy some Monster Munch and put them next to the prawn cocktail will that balance things out? I've just realised that I read the Guardian as well. This isn't looking good. The crisps won't turn you gay - that's not how gay works - but the fact you've bought them suggests you're probably harbouring some kind of gay spirit. Monster Munch to balance them out isn't a bad idea. Also cheese puffs, despite their name, are one of the straightest of all the crisps. What was the last pie you bought? If it's steak and kidney or meat and potato, your getting worried over nothing. If it's chicken and mushroom, you might as well book yourself in for a lads weekend in the Nottingham Travelodge with Stafford Stokie. It was a raw meat pie with tits and vaginas inside it. I think I'm Ok. I'll just order Readers Wives for a few weeks instead of The Guardian, that should see me right.
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Post by onionman on Jul 17, 2013 15:47:08 GMT
Ok Daddie, so there is no chance that there are no gay footballers in the prem Jesus wept. Your obviously certain there is with absolutely no evidence why is it more shocking there isn't any gay footballers. If you have 20 straight men why is it not possible to have another group of 20 straight men and so on why does everybody feel the need to say come on at least 2 of you must be gay. All I'm saying is it is not in the realms of possibility there isn't any gay footballers in the prem. I have never said people can't be gay nor have I said I don't like gays. Nor have I said I don't understand what makes a person gay. Well, unless a footballer announces that he's gay or creeps into my house and bums me in the night then I can't be certain- but the odds of there NOT being a homosexual amongst nearly 2,000 men are so ridiculously long that I think it's safer to assume that there are at least some. If 1 in 20 people are gay (which i think's quite a conservative estimate) then out of 1,840, statistically you would expect there to be 92 homosexuals. Football's not likely a profession to attract gay men, etc etc, that's probably a valid argument, so let's go crazy- let's times the probability by five and say 1 in 100. Even at this outlandish figure, there would still be 18.4 homosexual footballers. (I'm not sure who the 0.4 is...perhaps he's a bi-sexual). What you seem to be after is some sort of proof of this in the shape of an actual footballer being waved around in front of you on a stick, with cries of "Look, here he is...here's a gay footballer, we've caught one." We don't have that, for reasons that have been explained quite clearly, but what we do have are statistics that are so overwhelmingly in favour of there being a gay footballer, that it's more rational to accept that there will be at least one-if not many more- than to assume there isn't. If you can't see why this makes this sense then I give up. The 0.4 has a girlfriend but also lets Frank Lampard put mobile phones up his bottom.
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Post by prem4stoke on Jul 17, 2013 15:49:52 GMT
Ok Daddie, so there is no chance that there are no gay footballers in the prem Jesus wept. Your obviously certain there is with absolutely no evidence why is it more shocking there isn't any gay footballers. If you have 20 straight men why is it not possible to have another group of 20 straight men and so on why does everybody feel the need to say come on at least 2 of you must be gay. All I'm saying is it is not in the realms of possibility there isn't any gay footballers in the prem. I have never said people can't be gay nor have I said I don't like gays. Nor have I said I don't understand what makes a person gay. Well, unless a footballer announces that he's gay or creeps into my house and bums me in the night then I can't be certain- but the odds of there NOT being a homosexual amongst nearly 2,000 men are so ridiculously long that I think it's safer to assume that there are at least some. If 1 in 20 people are gay (which i think's quite a conservative estimate) then out of 1,840, statistically you would expect there to be 92 homosexuals. Football's not likely a profession to attract gay men, etc etc, that's probably a valid argument, so let's go crazy- let's times the probability by five and say 1 in 100. Even at this outlandish figure, there would still be 18.4 homosexual footballers. (I'm not sure who the 0.4 is...perhaps he's a bi-sexual). What you seem to be after is some sort of proof of this in the shape of an actual footballer being waved around in front of you on a stick, with cries of "Look, here he is...here's a gay footballer, we've caught one." We don't have that, for reasons that have been explained quite clearly, but what we do have are statistics that are so overwhelmingly in favour of there being a gay footballer, that it's more rational to accept that there will be at least one-if not many more- than to assume there isn't. If you can't see why this makes this sense then I give up. I think this pulls more weight than you might think! Anyway thats enough lets just say they are all gay job done
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 22:52:26 GMT
No ...I'm afraid that's not true or accurate at all. There are many countries and societies across the world where homosexual behaviour is illegal and those practising it face harsh punishment or even worse. This includes footballers and anyone else for that matter. Why is it so important that they feel the need to 'come out'.? Why should society make special provision for behaviour that is not acceptable by practically any religion you wish to mention..? If you subscribe to the notion that peoples religious beliefs should be recognised and accepted , then you should not be describing such matters as 'anti gay bigotry'. There seems to be an incredible obsession in this country to force such issues into the limelight with the sole purpose of alienating those who it disgusts for a variety of reasons. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? Do you really think many in this country would have a problem with a "straight pride" march if someone decided to organise one? I certainly wouldn't - just as I have no problem with a gay pride march. I wouldn't understand the NEED for a straight pride march because I don't see any widespread prejudice against heterosexuals, but if someone wants to organise one, that is fine by me. If you don't like the fact that the law in this country specifies that there should be no discrimination against gay people then change the law. But until/unless it is changed then abide by the law and don't bring religion into it. If I (as an agnostic) should recognise and accept your right to hold religious beliefs (which I do) then surely you should recognise and accept people's right to live by any ethical code - providing that code doesn't conflict with the law of the land. I'm not gay but I have several gay friends and I can certainly understand why some of them find it so difficult to come out. I've never understood why some people of religious faith expect tolerance of their own beliefs yet won't show the same tolerance towards people who have different beliefs - providing of course that those beliefs do not conflict with the law of the land. I live near Keswick - this week there is a huge (and I do mean huge) Christian convention in the town. I doubt if the majority of people in Keswick would describe themselves as practising Christians yet they make the people attending the convention welcome - as they do every year without fail. So, we tolerate the beliefs of our visitors despite the inevitable disruption that so many visitors brings to a small town. It is sad that so many of those visitors are so intolerant of the lifestyle of many who don't share their religious convictions - I have had anti abortion and anti gay material pressed into my hand many times during convention week. Agree totally, religion should not interfere with politics or law, just as it should not interfere with science. One cannot be used to answer the other, I don't understand why so many 'religious people' suggest that being gay disgusts them. I really just don't see why anyone actually cares what other people do in their lives, what does it matter? As long as people live in an ethical way, who cares what their sexual preferences are? Surely the person so offended by gays must have their own problems to sort out in life and could spend their time fixating on that instead?
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Post by madnellie on Jul 18, 2013 0:08:16 GMT
In 2013 anti gay bigotry is deemed unacceptable throughout society. Many workplaces have processes in place to ensure employees aren’t victimized on the grounds of their sexuality yet gay footballers feel unable to come out. This doesn’t reflect well on football. We’ll only know how coming out effects a footballers life and career when a gay player makes the decision to declare his sexuality, hopefully he would receive the same level of support Jason Collins a basketball player with the Washington Wizards received when he came out. No ...I'm afraid that's not true or accurate at all. There are many countries and societies across the world where homosexual behaviour is illegal and those practising it face harsh punishment or even worse. This includes footballers and anyone else for that matter. Why is it so important that they feel the need to 'come out'.? Why should society make special provision for behaviour that is not acceptable by practically any religion you wish to mention..? If you subscribe to the notion that peoples religious beliefs should be recognised and accepted , then you should not be describing such matters as 'anti gay bigotry'. There seems to be an incredible obsession in this country to force such issues into the limelight with the sole purpose of alienating those who it disgusts for a variety of reasons. In 2013 the behaviour is just as unacceptable as it was in 1913 if you are of religious persuasion and has certainly nothing to do with 'anti gay bigotry'. When was the last 'Straight Pride' procession publicised as recognition of normality and reasoning...? Wow I've read some crazy posts on here but this one takes the biscuit. I guess I am classed as a person of "religious persuasion" and you certainly don't speak for me. I have no idea what religion you follow but if it's Christianity might I suggest you take a long hard look at what Jesus said about homosexuality, followed by an even longer look at what He said about loving your neighbour, and not judging others.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 18, 2013 8:27:26 GMT
Hardly the most welcoming sport is it. Crowds would tear them to pieces at matches, made up of the same people who would cower in their own shadow when there's not another 50,000 of them there doing it.
I also dont see why they have to 'come out'. Whose business is it but theirs what they do behind closed doors. Announcing it the world just singles them out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 8:51:29 GMT
Are we actually ignoring the fact that some footballers say they know gay players.
Including Carlisle who is very much respected and is a decent intelligent bloke too.
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Post by huntlypotter on Jul 18, 2013 9:04:22 GMT
Didn't Port Vale used to have a pink strip?!
surely some of them had to be Frank Lebouef's to wear that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 17:09:54 GMT
Ok Daddie, so there is no chance that there are no gay footballers in the prem Jesus wept. Your obviously certain there is with absolutely no evidence why is it more shocking there isn't any gay footballers. If you have 20 straight men why is it not possible to have another group of 20 straight men and so on why does everybody feel the need to say come on at least 2 of you must be gay. All I'm saying is it is not in the realms of possibility there isn't any gay footballers in the prem. I have never said people can't be gay nor have I said I don't like gays. Nor have I said I don't understand what makes a person gay. Well, unless a footballer announces that he's gay or creeps into my house and bums me in the night then I can't be certain- but the odds of there NOT being a homosexual amongst nearly 2,000 men are so ridiculously long that I think it's safer to assume that there are at least some. If 1 in 20 people are gay (which i think's quite a conservative estimate) then out of 1,840, statistically you would expect there to be 92 homosexuals. Football's not likely a profession to attract gay men, etc etc, that's probably a valid argument, so let's go crazy- let's times the probability by five and say 1 in 100. Even at this outlandish figure, there would still be 18.4 homosexual footballers. (I'm not sure who the 0.4 is...perhaps he's a bi-sexual). What you seem to be after is some sort of proof of this in the shape of an actual footballer being waved around in front of you on a stick, with cries of "Look, here he is...here's a gay footballer, we've caught one." We don't have that, for reasons that have been explained quite clearly, but what we do have are statistics that are so overwhelmingly in favour of there being a gay footballer, that it's more rational to accept that there will be at least one-if not many more- than to assume there isn't. If you can't see why this makes this sense then I give up. Wasn't Sol Campbell gay? Or bisexual? Or was that just one of those rumours?
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Post by pickins on Jul 18, 2013 17:22:41 GMT
Well, unless a footballer announces that he's gay or creeps into my house and bums me in the night then I can't be certain- but the odds of there NOT being a homosexual amongst nearly 2,000 men are so ridiculously long that I think it's safer to assume that there are at least some. If 1 in 20 people are gay (which i think's quite a conservative estimate) then out of 1,840, statistically you would expect there to be 92 homosexuals. Football's not likely a profession to attract gay men, etc etc, that's probably a valid argument, so let's go crazy- let's times the probability by five and say 1 in 100. Even at this outlandish figure, there would still be 18.4 homosexual footballers. (I'm not sure who the 0.4 is...perhaps he's a bi-sexual). What you seem to be after is some sort of proof of this in the shape of an actual footballer being waved around in front of you on a stick, with cries of "Look, here he is...here's a gay footballer, we've caught one." We don't have that, for reasons that have been explained quite clearly, but what we do have are statistics that are so overwhelmingly in favour of there being a gay footballer, that it's more rational to accept that there will be at least one-if not many more- than to assume there isn't. If you can't see why this makes this sense then I give up. Wasn't Sol Campbell gay? Or bisexual? Or was that just one of those rumours? He was very well dressed.
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 18, 2013 17:28:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 17:50:03 GMT
Can imagine a wrong un just about take a corner...
No more shouts of wanker wanker wanker...
It will be
Bender bender bender
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Post by mt on Jul 18, 2013 18:44:09 GMT
Why don`t people react the same way when it`s come to lesbians in womens sport? It seems to me that womens don`t feel that it`s threatening or disturbing if any of their teammates are lesbians. I`m well aware of that some men feel that they have to destroy other peoples lives because their own lives are miserable, but I still think it`s a little bit strange to behave that way in 2013.
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Post by onionman on Jul 18, 2013 18:52:29 GMT
Why don`t people react the same way when it`s come to lesbians in womens sport? It seems to me that womens don`t feel that it`s threatening or disturbing if any of their teammates are lesbians. I`m well aware of that some men feel that they have to destroy other peoples lives because their own lives are miserable, but I still think it`s a little bit strange to behave that way in 2013. I reckon Samir Nasri gets a fair but of stick.
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