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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 20:13:46 GMT
Two of the things that began to grate the most towards the the rather sad end to Tony Pulis's tenure last season were:-
1) Tony Pulis's continual barking at his own team like a junkyard dog - or at best, a Sunday league pub team manager
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2) Even more ridiculous and frankly it became bloody embarrassing, Ryan Shawcross and his all to brief control then - 'hoof it' routine, virtually every single time he received the ball.
He would do this even when twenty / thirty yards of space opened up in front of him begging to be run into with the ball - drawing a player to him (as you would) but he was not allowed to do this - pure and simple.
(To me this overt example of the rut Tony Pulis stuck himself and his captain in, was probably very close to the last straw in many peoples minds -this and other similar aspects made me realise - he just had to go )
Don't get me wrong, I rate Ryan very highly, he is our captain and he is indispensible to us but I can only believe he was coached into playing in ways that just left many of us shaking our heads in disbelief. Wouldn't it be lovely to see, Ryan allowed to come out of defence moving with the ball at feet striding into midfield and being encouraged pass and move with our midfield
(something I believe he is quite capable of)
I think we will see this next season
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Post by padders01 on Jun 20, 2013 20:16:46 GMT
Will be very interesting to see what the two centre backs are asked to do with the ball at their feet
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 20, 2013 20:16:50 GMT
Surely he's too old to start playing football
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jun 20, 2013 20:27:31 GMT
There are quite a few of the players i am looking forward to seeing after a fresh training regime and some new ideas. No comfort zone's anymore, everyone has got to earn a spot. Clean slate all round.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jun 20, 2013 20:33:02 GMT
Two of the things that began to grate the most towards the the rather sad end to Tony Pulis's tenure last season were:- 1) Tony Pulis's continual barking at his own team like a junkyard dog - or at best, a Sunday league pub team manager and 2) Even more ridiculous and frankly it became bloody embarrassing, Ryan Shawcross and his all to brief control then - 'hoof it' routine, virtually every single time he received the ball. He would do this even when twenty / thirty yards of space opened up in front of him begging to be run into with the ball - drawing a player to him (as you would) but he was not allowed to do this - pure and simple. (To me this overt example of the rut Tony Pulis stuck himself and his captain in, was probably very close to the last straw in many peoples minds -this and other similar aspects made me realise - he just had to go ) Don't get me wrong, I rate Ryan very highly, he is our captain and he is indispensible to us but I can only believe he was coached into playing in ways that just left many of us shaking our heads in disbelief. Wouldn't it be lovely to see, Ryan allowed to come out of defence moving with the ball at feet and being encouraged pass and move with our midfield (something I believe he is quite capable of) I think we will see this next season You need to move on mate. Pulis has gone. Get on with your life |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 20:37:55 GMT
? I'm talking about hopes for next season aren't I ?
(jesus wept! - am I in some sort of parallel fucking universe ?)
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jun 20, 2013 20:46:19 GMT
Two of the things that began to grate the most towards the the rather sad end to Tony Pulis's tenure last season were:- 1) Tony Pulis's continual barking at his own team like a junkyard dog - or at best, a Sunday league pub team manager and 2) Even more ridiculous and frankly it became bloody embarrassing, Ryan Shawcross and his all to brief control then - 'hoof it' routine, virtually every single time he received the ball. He would do this even when twenty / thirty yards of space opened up in front of him begging to be run into with the ball - drawing a player to him (as you would) but he was not allowed to do this - pure and simple. (To me this overt example of the rut Tony Pulis stuck himself and his captain in, was probably very close to the last straw in many peoples minds -this and other similar aspects made me realise - he just had to go ) Don't get me wrong, I rate Ryan very highly, he is our captain and he is indispensible to us but I can only believe he was coached into playing in ways that just left many of us shaking our heads in disbelief. Wouldn't it be lovely to see, Ryan allowed to come out of defence moving with the ball at feet striding into midfield and being encouraged pass and move with our midfield (something I believe he is quite capable of) I think we will see this next season I understand your second point but the first is ridiculous, what the f*ck is wrong with the manager shouting from the touchline? I'd rather the manager did that than sit back and not give a f*ck. As a point of interest, I noticed Woy doing it when England played Brazil the other day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 20:49:48 GMT
not the point of the thread - just another nail in the old managers coffin
he became almost unique for this last season - i.e. the junkyard dog routine
BOW WOW WOWO WOW WOOW WOW WOW --ETC ETCETC
Ps 'Woy' is to my mind, obsolete also
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jun 20, 2013 20:56:32 GMT
not the point of the thread - just another nail in the old managers coffin he became almost unique for this last season - i.e. the junkyard dog routine BOW WOW WOWO WOW WOOW WOW WOW --ETC ETCETC Yeah, it was one of the stupid comments that became popular on here. There was thousands of things wrong with our football but, people preferred to moan about our managers style of dress and passion on the touchline. Oh well, everythings ok now we have a manager who dresses properly. Unbelievable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 21:01:55 GMT
err --the point of the thread was about Ryan being allowed to play football again next season
then again I did also mention our midfield too- maybe thats the real point ?
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Post by swampySCFC on Jun 20, 2013 21:07:33 GMT
not the point of the thread - just another nail in the old managers coffin he became almost unique for this last season - i.e. the junkyard dog routine BOW WOW WOWO WOW WOOW WOW WOW --ETC ETCETC Ps 'Woy' is to my mind, obsolete also Says more about you mate I am afraid. whats gone is gone. theres only you barking now |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 20, 2013 21:12:58 GMT
Our problem lies much further up the pitch, N'Zonzi in particular is a prime culprit. Begovic would often roll the ball out to Ryan who'd give it to N'Zonzi, who'd knock it back to Huth, who'd give it back to Ryan, who'd again give it to N'Zonzi who'd give it back Ryan then hoof it.
The fact is that:
A) There is a lack of movement from our midfield/strikers that gives our center halves an option
B) When our midfield do get the ball they don't try to create any space for themselves or drive into any space thus creating room for others.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 20, 2013 21:17:34 GMT
err --the point of the thread was about Ryan being allowed to play football again next season then again I did also mention our midfield too- maybe thats the real point ? Poor Ryan. Bullied and twisted into half the player he could be. I'm surprised he didn't give up altogether.. Pulis must have forced him to sign his contract extension at gunpoint. And as for all this crap about Ryan being gutted to see Pulis go....clearly that must be bollocks. How could he possibly have any respect for the bloke who signed him as a raw youth, played him, built his side around him and made him captain. I'd say Ryan has nightmares about Big Bad Tone and the damage he did to his career. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 21:25:39 GMT
The micromanaging on the touchline suggested to me a manager who couldn't bring himself to trust his players.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2013 22:25:21 GMT
The real question should be can he play football, we don't really know how good his passing game actually is, it'll be interesting to find out.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 20, 2013 22:32:15 GMT
Our problem lies much further up the pitch, N'Zonzi in particular is a prime culprit. Begovic would often roll the ball out to Ryan who'd give it to N'Zonzi, who'd knock it back to Huth, who'd give it back to Ryan, who'd again give it to N'Zonzi who'd give it back Ryan then hoof it. The fact is that: A) There is a lack of movement from our midfield/strikers that gives our center halves an option B) When our midfield do get the ball they don't try to create any space for themselves or drive into any space thus creating room for others. Spot on. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 20, 2013 23:30:01 GMT
Our problem lies much further up the pitch, N'Zonzi in particular is a prime culprit. Begovic would often roll the ball out to Ryan who'd give it to N'Zonzi, who'd knock it back to Huth, who'd give it back to Ryan, who'd again give it to N'Zonzi who'd give it back Ryan then hoof it. The fact is that: A) There is a lack of movement from our midfield/strikers that gives our center halves an option B) When our midfield do get the ball they don't try to create any space for themselves or drive into any space thus creating room for others. Agree to an extent. The team need a mobile attacking mid who creates space for himself while possessing vision and the ability to drag opposition defenders out of position. We had one a couple of years ago. Unfortunately the manager didn't have a fucking clue what to do with him while showing an absolute lack of respect towards him. |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 20, 2013 23:38:12 GMT
Our problem lies much further up the pitch, N'Zonzi in particular is a prime culprit. Begovic would often roll the ball out to Ryan who'd give it to N'Zonzi, who'd knock it back to Huth, who'd give it back to Ryan, who'd again give it to N'Zonzi who'd give it back Ryan then hoof it. The fact is that: A) There is a lack of movement from our midfield/strikers that gives our center halves an option B) When our midfield do get the ball they don't try to create any space for themselves or drive into any space thus creating room for others. Agree to an extent. The team need a mobile attacking mid who creates space for himself while possessing vision and the ability to drag opposition defenders out of position. We had one a couple of years ago. Unfortunately the manager didn't have a fucking clue what to do with him while showing an absolute lack of respect towards him. It's criminal isn't it. We'll struggle without Deano (I guess that's who you're in about) and not some over-rated Turk who hasn't been heard of since he left.   |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 20, 2013 23:41:08 GMT
Agree to an extent. The team need a mobile attacking mid who creates space for himself while possessing vision and the ability to drag opposition defenders out of position. We had one a couple of years ago. Unfortunately the manager didn't have a fucking clue what to do with him while showing an absolute lack of respect towards him. It's criminal isn't it. We'll struggle without Deano (I guess that's who you're in about) and not some over-rated Turk who hasn't been heard of since he left. you know it's true! The Britannia used to hold its breath in anticipation whenever he collected the ball! And no not Whitehead. |
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Post by prem4stoke on Jun 20, 2013 23:45:25 GMT
The real question should be can he play football, we don't really know how good his passing game actually is, it'll be interesting to find out. It's this for me if you all think now Pulis has gone our team are now going to play awesome your in for the biggest rude awakening of your lives! A manager CANNOT make a player worse than he is cable of. Smell the coffee our players have limitations in the skill dept no manager will make them better on the eye. Pulis built the squad around work ethic unless you strip this down it will be the same. THAT is the reason I wanted Pulis to stay next season we could be the biggest laughing stock ever if things don't change drastically otherwise Hughes just needs to tweek things. |
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Post by 1982stokie on Jun 21, 2013 6:01:01 GMT
The micromanaging on the touchline suggested to me a manager who couldn't bring himself to trust his players. That was always my impression telling players when to pass who to pass to the smallest amount of decision making taken from them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 7:06:39 GMT
Nice to see we finally get to debate the topic I was actually musing about
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 21, 2013 7:16:29 GMT
Our problem lies much further up the pitch, N'Zonzi in particular is a prime culprit. Begovic would often roll the ball out to Ryan who'd give it to N'Zonzi, who'd knock it back to Huth, who'd give it back to Ryan, who'd again give it to N'Zonzi who'd give it back Ryan then hoof it. The fact is that: A) There is a lack of movement from our midfield/strikers that gives our center halves an option B) When our midfield do get the ball they don't try to create any space for themselves or drive into any space thus creating room for others. I agree what you're saying about lack of movement ahead of the defence, that was always my criticism of all Pulis teams. I disagree about Nzonzi: he would get the ball because he was always available. If one of the other MFs had the ball, Nzonzi would always be available to pass to. The problem was, once he had it his only out was backwards. The times he got caught in possession (imho) was generally because he was looking for something positive to do with it, and since there was so rarely any option open to him he'd keep the ball too long. (I'll accept that this argument has less relevance after Xmas when he no longer seemed to give a shit) |
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Post by althoughra on Jun 21, 2013 7:18:57 GMT
His one and last entry into the world of playing football,started and ended with his England opportunity. He is no footballer, other than the previous system of hoof ball. There have as far as I know been no bids from other clubs demanding that Stoke city F.C sell him at ant asking price.
My opinion, (and it may be as good as yours) is that he should have gone with the previous hoof ball expert Mr Pulis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 7:24:40 GMT
The real question should be can he play football, we don't really know how good his passing game actually is, it'll be interesting to find out. It's this for me if you all think now Pulis has gone our team are now going to play awesome your in for the biggest rude awakening of your lives! A manager CANNOT make a player worse than he is cable of. Smell the coffee our players have limitations in the skill dept no manager will make them better on the eye. Pulis built the squad around work ethic unless you strip this down it will be the same. THAT is the reason I wanted Pulis to stay next season we could be the biggest laughing stock ever if things don't change drastically otherwise Hughes just needs to tweek things. That's why Hughes was the right choice, hes not going to make drastic changes to how we play because theres no need to. A bit more creativity and attacking intent and play Charlie Adam in a position where he can pass the ball is all we need not centre halves making lots of short passes. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 21, 2013 7:25:50 GMT
It frustrates me when centrehalfs 'hoof it' for no good reason when they have time, but to say that was always TP's fault and he orders it is unfair. I've/we've all seen to Pulis go mad when they have just hoofed it too. Clear under pressure yes, 'hoof it' not always.
Anyways we have a new era now so lets move on and see what happens next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 7:26:29 GMT
It's criminal isn't it. We'll struggle without Deano (I guess that's who you're in about) and not some over-rated Turk who hasn't been heard of since he left. you know it's true! The Britannia used to hold its breath in anticipation whenever he collected the ball! And no not Whitehead. followed by groans two seconds later when he did fuck all |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 21, 2013 10:38:27 GMT
He must have some skill with the ball,or else the Shit would never have signed him, lets hope Hughes can bring out that footballing side in Ryan again.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 21, 2013 10:43:06 GMT
How do you know he was instructed to Hoof it? It remains to be seen if he can play out of defense and actually pass a ball every now and again. My thoughts are I am not too sure. Pulis may have known a bit more about his players than you and I. Perhaps Woy also knows a bit more than you and I and thats why Ryan has never been near the England squad since.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 10:49:44 GMT
How do you know he was instructed to Hoof it? It remains to be seen if he can play out of defense and actually pass a ball every now and again. My thoughts are I am not too sure. Pulis may have known a bit more about his players than you and I. Perhaps Woy also knows a bit more than you and I and thats why Ryan has never been near the England squad since. Is it just a coincidence that Tony Pulis sides all play long ball then? |
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