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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 21, 2013 10:59:51 GMT
How do you know he was instructed to Hoof it? It remains to be seen if he can play out of defense and actually pass a ball every now and again. My thoughts are I am not too sure. Pulis may have known a bit more about his players than you and I. Perhaps Woy also knows a bit more than you and I and thats why Ryan has never been near the England squad since. Obviously we don't know how good he is with a ball at his feet but I think its was plain for all to see that he was told to hit it long.
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Post by westpoint on Jun 21, 2013 11:12:26 GMT
How do you know he was instructed to Hoof it? It remains to be seen if he can play out of defense and actually pass a ball every now and again. My thoughts are I am not too sure. Pulis may have known a bit more about his players than you and I. Perhaps Woy also knows a bit more than you and I and thats why Ryan has never been near the England squad since. Couldn't agree more. I also am unsure of Ryan's ability with the ball at his feet and have been shot down on here after certain matches in stating that. I would love to be proved wrong believe me but is it really right that TP AND Woy are unaware of the attributes and failings of a particular player? Lets hope so.
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Post by snapper23 on Jun 21, 2013 13:25:23 GMT
Truth is Ryan is a fantastic defender with the emphasis on DEFEND. We just don't know if he has the raw talent to be a ball playing defender because we have never played a system that really let us see that talent (if it exists)
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 21, 2013 14:15:51 GMT
I see certain posters are still a bit raw when it comes to criticism of Tp.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Jun 21, 2013 16:00:44 GMT
The micromanaging on the touchline suggested to me a manager who couldn't bring himself to trust his players. That was always my impression telling players when to pass who to pass to the smallest amount of decision making taken from them. Behave yourself! Ninety nine percent of the crowd do the same thing. I sometimes get in to it so much that I try to head or kick the ball for them.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 16:25:39 GMT
you know it's true! The Britannia used to hold its breath in anticipation whenever he collected the ball! And no not Whitehead. followed by groans two seconds later when he did fuck all Southgate laughed off Chelsea's £12 million bid for a reason Eddie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 16:42:14 GMT
followed by groans two seconds later when he did fuck all Southgate laughed off Chelsea's £12 million bid for a reason Eddie. Was that ever confirmed as being anything other than paper talk?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 16:59:05 GMT
Southgate laughed off Chelsea's £12 million bid for a reason Eddie. Was that ever confirmed as being anything other than paper talk? Not sure Rob
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 17:00:00 GMT
Don't think it was.
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Post by swampmongrel on Jun 21, 2013 17:12:58 GMT
Ryan's 80 yard hoofs are probably the most accurate in the league (he's had lots of practice). By comparison a ten yard pass will be piss easy.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 17:15:57 GMT
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Post by 1982stokie on Jun 21, 2013 17:16:29 GMT
That was always my impression telling players when to pass who to pass to the smallest amount of decision making taken from them. Behave yourself! Ninety nine percent of the crowd do the same thing. I sometimes get in to it so much that I try to head or kick the ball for them. I agree I carnt sit still watching football my point was it wasn't losing control in the moment trying to head or kick the ball like you and I. I will give you my favourite example away at Fulham the ball is rolling for a stoke throw Shotton runs to keep it in Pulis shouts no Ryan leave it leave it leave it as soon as it crossed the line he shouts now pick it up Ryan. football players need to be given instruction of how they approuch a game not every pass, shot, run, header they do if they are that incapable of thinking for themselves they shouldn't be in the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 17:18:02 GMT
followed by groans two seconds later when he did fuck all Southgate laughed off Chelsea's £12 million bid for a reason Eddie. Owen Coyle wouldn't play him for a reason
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 17:19:11 GMT
Laughing off rumours and reports are not the same thing as laughing off an actual bid are they? It's easy to do when it's only hypothetical.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 17:19:31 GMT
Southgate laughed off Chelsea's £12 million bid for a reason Eddie. Owen Coyle wouldn't play him for a reason Owen Coyle wouldn't recognise a good player if it was staring him in the face.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 17:20:10 GMT
Laughing off rumours and reports are not the same thing as laughing off an actual bid are they? It's easy to do when it's only hypothetical. Meh. Great player
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 17:21:27 GMT
Owen Coyle wouldn't play him for a reason Owen Coyle wouldn't recognise a good player if it was staring him in the face. Unlike that world class manager Gareth Southgate
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 21, 2013 17:23:17 GMT
Owen Coyle wouldn't play him for a reason Owen Coyle wouldn't recognise a good player if it was staring him in the face. How did he do on his German adventure?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 17:23:43 GMT
Laughing off rumours and reports are not the same thing as laughing off an actual bid are they? It's easy to do when it's only hypothetical. Meh. Great player Underachiever.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 21, 2013 17:25:38 GMT
Surprisingly since leaving us Tunny has only made 46 appearances 16 of which were at Bolton and we all know what happened there...
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Post by padders01 on Jun 21, 2013 22:02:22 GMT
Our problem lies much further up the pitch, N'Zonzi in particular is a prime culprit. Begovic would often roll the ball out to Ryan who'd give it to N'Zonzi, who'd knock it back to Huth, who'd give it back to Ryan, who'd again give it to N'Zonzi who'd give it back Ryan then hoof it. The fact is that: A) There is a lack of movement from our midfield/strikers that gives our center halves an option B) When our midfield do get the ball they don't try to create any space for themselves or drive into any space thus creating room for others. !!!!!!!!! Is that really what you thought was instructed by Pulis? It was blatantly obvious The two central midfielders were told to ask for the ball off the centre backs (very rare I might add), to try push the opponents midfield up, to give the give the ball back to the centre backs for them to launch it to the striker who was 30 yards in front of anyone else. The midfielders were then needed to feed off the scraps off the lone striker. Now that was Plan A Plan B was for the central midfielders not even bother offering themselves for the centre backs but to turn their backs on on the ball and wait for it sail over their heads
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jun 21, 2013 22:19:28 GMT
what sort of football
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 22:33:13 GMT
Meh. Great player Underachiever. You know what- I agree. Capable of so much more. He never kicked on. But hes the most gifted player we've had in quite some time Rob.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 22:42:02 GMT
Owen Coyle wouldn't recognise a good player if it was staring him in the face. How did he do on his German adventure? His career was only going to go downhill the minute he signed for Stoke. I think its safe to say it was an absolutely shocking move for him. It was never going to work. Pulisball doesn't involve attacking midfielders with flair. It would be good to see him at another major tournament. He had a pretty lively Euro 2008 and arguably looked every bit as world class as any other forward in the tournament. Realistically its all over for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 22:45:11 GMT
You know what- I agree. Capable of so much more. He never kicked on. But hes the most gifted player we've had in quite some time Rob. He was hit and miss. No more, no less. He's a footnote in Stoke City's history and there was no inevitability about his career declining after he left. Loads of players make a bad move and bounce back better than ever.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 22:45:50 GMT
Owen Coyle wouldn't recognise a good player if it was staring him in the face. Unlike that world class manager Gareth Southgate Southgate might not be the best tactically but he was pretty good at identifying good players. It was a weird season for them. There performance at the Brit summed it up. They played us off the park for large parts of it and Tuncay was superb in the hole. Unfortunately they just didn't have anyone to put the ball in the net.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 22:48:08 GMT
Unlike that world class manager Gareth Southgate Southgate might not be the best tactically but he was pretty good at identifying good players. It was a weird season for them. There performance at the Brit summed it up. They played us off the park for large parts of it and Tuncay was superb in the hole. Unfortunately they just didn't have anyone to put the ball in the net. Who's fault was that? They were relegated and deserved to be relegated as one of the teams with the least three points.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 21, 2013 22:51:52 GMT
You know what- I agree. Capable of so much more. He never kicked on. But hes the most gifted player we've had in quite some time Rob. He was hit and miss. No more, no less. He's a footnote in Stoke City's history and there was no inevitability about his career declining after he left. Loads of players make a bad move and bounce back better than ever. Wasn't he hit and miss because of Pulis either a) Not giving him a consistent run of games b) Not having the bollocks to play him in his best position behind the striker? On the 2 occasions where he was actually given license (perhaps unintentionally by the manager) to link midfield to attack at home to Fulham and away at Villa he put in two of the best individual performances I've seen in years. If he had scored at Villa park that day it would have been the best individual performance of the decade no question imo. He was absolutely outstanding that day. Made even more impressive by the fact that we were away at a top 6 club (at the time).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 22:53:46 GMT
He was hit and miss. No more, no less. He's a footnote in Stoke City's history and there was no inevitability about his career declining after he left. Loads of players make a bad move and bounce back better than ever. Wasn't he hit and miss because of Pulis either a) Not giving him a consistent run of games b) Not having the bollocks to play him in his best position behind the striker? On the 2 occasions where he was actually given license (perhaps unintentionally by the manager) to link midfield to attack at home to Fulham and away at Villa he put in two of the best individual performances I've seen in years. If he had scored at Villa park that day it would have been the best individual performance of the decade no question imo. He was absolutely outstanding that day. Made even more impressive by the fact that we were away at a top 6 club (at the time). On other times when he played there he was totally anonymous. The fact that he didn't it the system doesn't help but he wasn't blameless either and there were plenty of games where he just flat out didn't perform. He has to take some of the blame for that.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 21, 2013 22:56:09 GMT
He was hit and miss. No more, no less. He's a footnote in Stoke City's history and there was no inevitability about his career declining after he left. Loads of players make a bad move and bounce back better than ever. Wasn't he hit and miss because of Pulis either a) Not giving him a consistent run of games b) Not having the bollocks to play him in his best position behind the striker? On the 2 occasions where he was actually given license (perhaps unintentionally by the manager) to link midfield to attack at home to Fulham and away at Villa he put in two of the best individual performances I've seen in years. If he had scored at Villa park that day it would have been the best individual performance of the decade no question imo. He was absolutely outstanding that day. Made even more impressive by the fact that we were away at a top 6 club (at the time). Best individual performance of the decade? Oh dear Rossi, I worry for you at times. I can name you at least 5 better performances. For the record I have no recollection of this game and I've been to Villa away every season barring the one just gone.
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