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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 18, 2013 20:12:34 GMT
But we werent tied to pennant though were we? We could have gone out and bought someone better, who has no baggage. And the new player would be better than kightly AND Pennant. Of course, that might cost money though and Pennant was going cheap... Have my own reservations on the signing but also there are clearly positives. Pennant only takes a 1st team squad allocation until the January window really. If he does well then he will be worth a squad place. Clearly, any so-called "baggage" wasn't deemed sufficiently critical: for either PC to make his earlier public statement; or for MH to risk "egg on his face" as a first signing. I think it is somewhat speculative and fanciful exaggeration to state that "a new player" would be better than Kightly AND Jermaine. I think that is over-egging it. If Hughes can't find a better right winger than Kightly and Pennant with a full transfer window to go at, then the signs aren't good. If these two start as our right wing options come the end of August then we are in for a long, hard season. I just hope that we have a deal lined up to sell kightly and will put the money towards a quality 1st choice replacement with Pennant as cheap back up. I think this is probably just hope more than anything else though.
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Post by stokecity4eva on Jun 18, 2013 20:13:02 GMT
MoMo...If I was in Pennant's position and felt that the manager was causing me problems no matter what I did, then, given the opportunity he has had, I would make it clear to anyone that would listen that whatever the "whys" and "wherefores" of the situation, that it wasn't all of my own making. I agree with your last comments that he needs to get a grip and start making the most of his talents. Quitting Twitter would be a good start.He just needs to knuckle down and prove his worth now. If he does that, then he will go even further to prove that Pulis was a complete and utter dick for ostracising him the way he did. Now is the time for the talking to stop and for his football to do his talking for him. He quit twitter ages ago its only his missus who is on it
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Post by borat on Jun 18, 2013 20:14:36 GMT
Happy with this, Jermaine was class at times in that first season and obviously it keeps Shotton off the wing.
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Post by geoff321 on Jun 18, 2013 20:16:52 GMT
madasasnake,
I would imagine this decision has been made by Mark Hughes. It is certainly not the Chairmans role to decide which players are signed and retained. If I have misunderstood you, apologies.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jun 18, 2013 20:17:03 GMT
The sad fact of today's announcement is that it demonstrates a significant divergence of opinion between Peter Coates and Tony Pulis. Whatever Pennant's indiscretions are alleged to have been, they were obviously insufficient to stop Peter Coates agreeing to resign him and / or agreeing to the treatment of him last year. Do you ever wonder why Pulis was sacked Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/216320/jermaine-pennants-signs-year-contract?page=7#ixzz2WbJKQoDsExactly Makes you start to wonder about some of the conspiracy theories that have been banded about recently.
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Post by discokaraoke on Jun 18, 2013 20:41:35 GMT
Mark Hughes has made his first mistake in giving Jermaine Pennant a contract. It is a very bad sign that the club has given him a contract. It tells me that they wont be spending much this season and are looking to fill gaps where they can. Pennant cares nothing for stoke city, has an ego bigger than his chrome Astin Martin, was a failiure in the championship and will disrupt the dressing room. This guy will not try to prove anything to anybody at the "end of his career". This is smoke and mirrors to cover up for the lack of funds. Its nearly as bad as yesterdays headline of hughes increasing season ticket prices. An increase of 500 on last season(mid prices) down to the manager. It may just be that it may have been some of the 3000 that didnt buy the early bird....Smoke and mirror PR and taking us for numptys. I haven't read all your posts Pippin but I can only imagine that you are a big Tony Pulis fan? How on earth can you describe Pennant as a "Dressing Room Cancer?" Are you in the Dressing Room? Or do you know someone who is? The sad fact of today's announcement is that it demonstrates a significant divergence of opinion between Peter Coates and Tony Pulis. Whatever Pennant's indiscretions are alleged to have been, they were obviously insufficient to stop Peter Coates agreeing to resign him and / or agreeing to the treatment of him last year. Do you ever wonder why Pulis was sacked? It seems increasingly likely that Peter Coates did not agree to the exposing of his club to a real risk of relegation, whatever the most confident of our supporters might claim, whilst watching various stubborn decisions unfold, such as playing Ryan Shotton on the right wing at a time when Jermaine Pennant wasn't even within the confines of the Stadium! Pennant undoubtedly provides many challenges for the management, but so do many of the best employees in any business. Fill any business with grey rule-abiding yes men and you won't get very far! Properly managed, there is always room for a maverick talent! I am not intending to post an anti-Pulis comment, but I really cannot see how anyone can complain about us signing a cheap, talented and influential player, with what appears to be a burning desire to play for the club, when last year's alternative was watching Ryan Shotton on the right wing? That is especially so when his contract appears to have been heavily incentivised to compensate for his shortcomings? I don't know the answer, but I am quietly confident that if Pennant was as bad as we have been led to believe, then Peter Coates would never have allowed him to be resigned. Anyway, I for one wish him well, as I'm sure all but the most ardent Pulis supporters do. And if he fails, he will probably have cost Peter Coates far less than a large number of players in recent years, who haven't contributed to Stoke City FC in any meaningful way at all. Best post of the night!
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Post by madasasnake on Jun 18, 2013 20:45:00 GMT
madasasnake, I would imagine this decision has been made by Mark Hughes. It is certainly not the Chairmans role to decide which players are signed and retained. If I have misunderstood you, apologies. Geoff, The only point I was seeking to make was that if Pennant had behaved as poorly as we have been led to believe, then I have no doubt that Peter Coates, cognisant of that fact, would have said to Mark Hughes when asked about the possibility of resigning him, words to the effect of: "Don't even mention him, he will never play for Stoke City again whilst I have a breath in my body!" I appreciate that Peter Coates will give his new manager a certain latitude when signing players but I don't believe that it would extend to players who Peter Coates has known for three years and who he believed to be, as quoted, a "dreadful cancer in the dressing room". I honestly think that faced with that dilemma, Peter Coates would have said: "I know him better than you do Mark, he's not coming back and I'm sorry, but that is non-negotiable"
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Post by moult50 on Jun 18, 2013 20:49:20 GMT
Fantastic news.
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Post by foster on Jun 18, 2013 20:50:14 GMT
Good decision, signing him on a free or keeping him only serves to strenghten our options when we undoubtably add another winger or two to the squad this summer.
He's not going to be the only winger we sign and retaining him gives us more to spend in other areas.
Makes sense to keep the better players in the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 20:51:23 GMT
He can play with a ball and chain round his ankle and half a bottle of Jack Daniels inside him as far as I'm concerned if the only alternative is Kightly. That said if we are looking to push on unless he finds another gear in pre-season I would expect him to be a squad player
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Post by swampySCFC on Jun 18, 2013 21:22:29 GMT
The sad fact of today's announcement is that it demonstrates a significant divergence of opinion between Peter Coates and Tony Pulis. Whatever Pennant's indiscretions are alleged to have been, they were obviously insufficient to stop Peter Coates agreeing to resign him and / or agreeing to the treatment of him last year. Do you ever wonder why Pulis was sacked Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/216320/jermaine-pennants-signs-year-contract?page=7#ixzz2WbJKQoDsExactly Makes you start to wonder about some of the conspiracy theories that have been banded about recently. Bollox mate. Pennant will be a cheap option and in my opinion a good option. We missed him last year. Hughes will hope he can get him to buckle down...a challenge I guess at little cost. If Hughes can get him playing again and well for us then its good news
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Post by jarhead on Jun 18, 2013 21:58:29 GMT
Bentley in now for cover on free would be superb and i am dreaming of europe!!!
Palacios reborn?
Adam USED properly?
Get Nzonzi off the list and head right?
Two full-backs in and TRY to win away will make never moan again.
PULIS GONE...Long Live Football
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Post by boothenesque on Jun 18, 2013 21:58:33 GMT
Would you all rather watch Michael Kightly - or Ryan Shotton or, 'dog with a balloon' (Jon Walters) play out wide for us ? if you do, having witnessed last seasons 'nightmares' - you're all quite, quite mad Just because it's fundamentally wrong to give a piece of obnoxious shit like Pennant your hard-earned cash doesn't mean you have orgasms over Kightly and Shotton. Pennant has had chance after chance here there and every figgin where and always thrown it back in people's faces. We should chuck him in The Trent and have done with the odious piece of crap.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2013 22:06:30 GMT
Bentley in now for cover on free would be superb and i am dreaming of europe!!! Palacios reborn? Adam USED properly? Get Nzonzi off the list and head right? Two full-backs in and TRY to win away will make never moan again. PULIS GONE...Long Live Football
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jun 18, 2013 22:08:15 GMT
Well, looking at it from a strictly football-based perspective, he's better than Walters/Shotton at right mid and fucking infinitely better than Kightly at everything, so I'm all for it.
I'd still bring in a new right winger though because I'm pretty certain JP won't start more than 20 league games next season based on his aging body, injury record and off-field antics. Decent back up though if he can behave himself though.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jun 18, 2013 22:14:14 GMT
The sad fact of today's announcement is that it demonstrates a significant divergence of opinion between Peter Coates and Tony Pulis. Whatever Pennant's indiscretions are alleged to have been, they were obviously insufficient to stop Peter Coates agreeing to resign him and / or agreeing to the treatment of him last year. Do you ever wonder why Pulis was sacked Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/216320/jermaine-pennants-signs-year-contract?page=7#ixzz2WbJKQoDsExactly Makes you start to wonder about some of the conspiracy theories that have been banded about recently. Bollox mate. Pennant will be a cheap option and in my opinion a good option. We missed him last year. Hughes will hope he can get him to buckle down...a challenge I guess at little cost. If Hughes can get him playing again and well for us then its good news eh? what's bollox? I'm not saying the decision about Pennant is good or bad. I'm saying that there has obviously been a massive rift in the "special" relationship between PC and TP. Coates has effectively given the two fingers to Tone with this signing. I wonder if this breakdown in relations (aided and abeited by Scholes and Cartwright) has seen Tone apply his own brand of "up yours" for the last few months (as previously experienced during his initial stint) A previous thread has alluded to this possibility.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jun 18, 2013 22:48:44 GMT
.. I'm not saying the decision about Pennant is good or bad. I'm saying that there has obviously been a massive rift in the "special" relationship between PC and TP. Coates has effectively given the two fingers to Tone with this signing. I wonder if this breakdown in relations (aided and abeited by Scholes and Cartwright) has seen Tone apply his own brand of "up yours" for the last few months (as previously experienced during his initial stint).. The above must be a strong possibility - after all, we have seen, potentially, other player issue precedents [of a kind] where PC may have had to bite his lip: Kitson, Beattie, Tuncay and Palacios? Quite apart from the treatment of Jones and Jerome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 22:51:40 GMT
is this hughes saying TP didn't get the best out of players?
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Post by prem4stoke on Jun 18, 2013 22:54:50 GMT
Was Pennant just too good for the Championship that he didn't try? If he did try apparently he wasn't good This just slaps face of a signing to gain the respect of our fans no way is it anything else.
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Post by RAF on Jun 18, 2013 23:04:06 GMT
Was Pennant just too good for the Championship that he didn't try? If he did try apparently he wasn't good 8-| This just slaps face of a signing to gain the respect of our fans no way is it anything else. So you are suggesting that the majority of our fans wanted Pennant back then? If not you are suggesting they have signed Pennant against the wishes of the fans! If the second is true how would that gain any respect? And if it isn't then what exactly is wrong with the former? H
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Post by Gods on Jun 18, 2013 23:08:25 GMT
is this hughes saying TP didn't get the best out of players? I imagine Hughes has more than enough on his plate trying to turn around a record which reads won 0 from 13 over the last 16 months to worry about what message hs is or is not sending to the previous incumbent. His priority is to finally win a football game. Everything else can wait.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jun 18, 2013 23:11:30 GMT
Bollox mate. Pennant will be a cheap option and in my opinion a good option. We missed him last year. Hughes will hope he can get him to buckle down...a challenge I guess at little cost. If Hughes can get him playing again and well for us then its good news eh? what's bollox? I'm not saying the decision about Pennant is good or bad. I'm saying that there has obviously been a massive rift in the "special" relationship between PC and TP. Coates has effectively given the two fingers to Tone with this signing. I wonder if this breakdown in relations (aided and abeited by Scholes and Cartwright) has seen Tone apply his own brand of "up yours" for the last few months (as previously experienced during his initial stint) A previous thread has alluded to this possibility. As I said mate its bollox. You might wonder about stuff but you dont know do you. Neither do I. What we do know is that Pennant is a better winger than anything we saw last year. If Hughes thinks he can tame him let him have a go. nothing to do with Coates I suspect. he wouldnt put up with Pens antics at 365 thats for sure!!!!
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Post by prem4stoke on Jun 18, 2013 23:12:51 GMT
Was Pennant just too good for the Championship that he didn't try? If he did try apparently he wasn't good This just slaps face of a signing to gain the respect of our fans no way is it anything else. So you are suggesting that the majority of our fans wanted Pennant back then? If not you are suggesting they have signed Pennant against the wishes of the fans! If the second is true how would that gain any respect? And if it isn't then what exactly is wrong with the former? H What's wrong with it? Nothing he is the true pro footballer A signing Pulis made years ago! Did nothing whilst on loan yet we have him back, sorry I was just hoping for a different direction what's next Fuller....
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Post by RAF on Jun 18, 2013 23:18:54 GMT
So you are suggesting that the majority of our fans wanted Pennant back then? If not you are suggesting they have signed Pennant against the wishes of the fans! If the second is true how would that gain any respect? And if it isn't then what exactly is wrong with the former? H What's wrong with it? Nothing he is the true pro footballer (lol) A signing Pulis made years ago! Did nothing whilst on loan yet we have him back, sorry I was just hoping for a different direction what's next Fuller.... Ok so just ignore the questions and subsequent points and ramble on then. Standard operating procedure for yourself! H
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Post by metalhead on Jun 18, 2013 23:36:12 GMT
I think this is a smart decision by Hughes. He really can't lose. At the end of the day, we know that Pennant is just a stop gap, but last season... we had nobody. Now, if Hughes goes out and signs another right winger, even better, it'll give some competition and force the best out of the two players. However, if come the end of the transfer window, we've signed some players in other positions and there isn't really the money available to sign a right midfielder, Pennant will do a fine job I believe. The guy turned 30 just six months ago, so he's still perfectly capable of adding something to our team for a year or two yet.
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Post by prem4stoke on Jun 18, 2013 23:36:39 GMT
What's wrong with it? Nothing he is the true pro footballer A signing Pulis made years ago! Did nothing whilst on loan yet we have him back, sorry I was just hoping for a different direction what's next Fuller.... Ok so just ignore the questions and subsequent points and ramble on then. Standard operating procedure for yourself! H We have signed him to please the fans if that answers your question. Is that hard to understand? I just don't think it is a good signing is that also hard to understand?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jun 18, 2013 23:50:54 GMT
eh? what's bollox? I'm not saying the decision about Pennant is good or bad. I'm saying that there has obviously been a massive rift in the "special" relationship between PC and TP. Coates has effectively given the two fingers to Tone with this signing. I wonder if this breakdown in relations (aided and abeited by Scholes and Cartwright) has seen Tone apply his own brand of "up yours" for the last few months (as previously experienced during his initial stint) A previous thread has alluded to this possibility. As I said mate its bollox. You might wonder about stuff but you dont know do you. Neither do I. What we do know is that Pennant is a better winger than anything we saw last year. If Hughes thinks he can tame him let him have a go. nothing to do with Coates I suspect. he wouldnt put up with Pens antics at 365 thats for sure!!!! Pennant two years ago is a better winger than anything we saw last year ... I'd agree with that. Yes.. you're right of course... I don't know.(about any conspiracy theories that is) What I do know is that the fact that PC sanctioned this signing. That tells me a great deal about the last few months.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 19, 2013 1:00:49 GMT
The fact is we have played our best and most effective football in the Premiership with Pennant on form. Since he left the side we have been a pale shadow of what we were.
For me, one of TP's top 5 signings.
He is only 30, got to be worth a shot.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 19, 2013 2:27:27 GMT
The fact is we have played our best and most effective football in the Premiership with Pennant on form. Since he left the side we have been a pale shadow of what we were. For me, one of TP's top 5 signings. He is only 30, got to be worth a shot. Spot on analysis mate I completely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 2:39:41 GMT
In the end ... It's only a one-year deal There is obviously some pay-per-play / win-bonus as a large part of his salary (according to Scholsey's quotes) Nothing to stop us bringing in another 1,2,3 wingers just because we've done this deal (and especially with how we seemed to have done it) People moaning on the Oatie?! ... Nice to see there's no change there, eh!? For once, we pulled a sh4g early doors. Might have been with an old flame, but hey, at least it's a sh4g!
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