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Post by spitthedog on Jun 21, 2013 12:25:07 GMT
Yes of course I'm comparing to players in our team! but thats 6 assists in only 18 games started with a midfield who could hardly manage to get the ball to him. Anyway, for me, worth the shout, might not work out, but what the hell is there to lose, there are idiots at every football club, like the one brought a pigs head into the dressing room for example. don't get me wrong, i'm firmly in the "What have we got to lose" camp and if he can get back to his form of a couple of seasons ago then fine. all i'm saying is that this belief that he was some kind of wing heeled magician on the ball has been massively overstated and just isn't true. he's definitely a better option than Kightley etc. but at the same time i'd still hope that next season we'd be looking at better players than Jermaine rather than praying he can recoup some of this mythical "Lost magic" he apparently has but hasn't been seen by anyone for about 18 months at the very least I agree with your basic premise that we should look forward as much as possible and not backwards (if that proves to be the case). But, even mentioning Pennant and Kightley in the same breathe! Pennant is one the best crossers of the ball i have seen at Stoke in 40 years, and Kightley???.......making the tea?
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Post by snapper23 on Jun 21, 2013 13:00:13 GMT
O Jesus, now I know we are in trouble. No manager in their right mind would take on JP again- a grenade with the pin out; its not if he fucks up its when.
In truth this show just how tight the purse strings are going to be. Deckchairs on the fucking Titanic time!
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Post by lexie on Jun 21, 2013 13:02:06 GMT
JP is fully aware this is last chance saloon
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Post by snapper23 on Jun 21, 2013 13:04:22 GMT
JP is fully aware this is last chance saloon As is a drunk on a pub crawl, pal.
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jun 21, 2013 13:09:19 GMT
O Jesus, now I know we are in trouble. No manager in their right mind would take on JP again- a grenade with the pin out; its not if he fucks up its when. In truth this show just how tight the purse strings are going to be. Deckchairs on the fucking Titanic time! How does this show how tight the purse strings are? All it shows is that Hughes is willing to persevere with a clearly talented player - his contract will more than likely be on a performance / appearance basis so I think this is a good bit of business
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jun 21, 2013 13:11:19 GMT
JP is fully aware this is last chance saloon Is this his last, last, very last, really last chance?
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Post by snapper23 on Jun 21, 2013 13:14:43 GMT
O Jesus, now I know we are in trouble. No manager in their right mind would take on JP again- a grenade with the pin out; its not if he fucks up its when. In truth this show just how tight the purse strings are going to be. Deckchairs on the fucking Titanic time! How does this show how tight the purse strings are? All it shows is that Hughes is willing to persevere with a clearly talented player - his contract will more than likely be on a performance / appearance basis so I think this is a good bit of business Look, I think JP is one of the more talented players I have seen under Pulis. I have no issue with JP's talent if it is still there. The evidence after Pulis put him in the wilderness is that he was wank when he went out on loan. We have not had loads a teams beating down the door to buy him have we? No. so what does this say about where we stand? Hughes has no money to buy a quality winger/there are no quality wingers to buy. Either way round this is silk purse outta sows ear territory and you just know JP will piss it up the wall. I don't disagree that it might be a good bit of business but only accepting that there is no other business to do.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 21, 2013 13:17:29 GMT
As I said, I must have got confused with the Pennant you've been talking about and the Pennant I was referring to with all the well-documented issues in the public domain. It must be a different Pennant because you can't have missed all the news about Pennant over the years. Thanks to Wiki I can highlight the main issues this trash has had over the years. He had another last chance at Stoke, threw it back in our faces and, if this is the same Pennant, we appear to given him yet another chance. I wouldn't know about everything there, but I'm pretty sure the Porsche had only been left in Spain for a few days. I can't remember the exact story but it was no where near as bad as it was made out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 14:02:24 GMT
don't get me wrong, i'm firmly in the "What have we got to lose" camp and if he can get back to his form of a couple of seasons ago then fine. all i'm saying is that this belief that he was some kind of wing heeled magician on the ball has been massively overstated and just isn't true. he's definitely a better option than Kightley etc. but at the same time i'd still hope that next season we'd be looking at better players than Jermaine rather than praying he can recoup some of this mythical "Lost magic" he apparently has but hasn't been seen by anyone for about 18 months at the very least I agree with your basic premise that we should look forward as much as possible and not backwards (if that proves to be the case). But, even mentioning Pennant and Kightley in the same breathe! Pennant is one the best crossers of the ball i have seen at Stoke in 40 years, and Kightley???.......making the tea? yeah i agree..that's what i said isn't it? i'd rather have Pennant over kightley
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Post by boothenesque on Jun 21, 2013 14:41:29 GMT
I don't know if anyone is suggesting a preference towards Kightly or Shotton over Pennant on the wing, rather whether we want a scrote like Pennant. Personally I would get rid of Kightly based on performances not being good enough and sacked Pennant. Neither Shotton or Kightly are any good on the wing but then it's not as though Pennant was any good after the FA Cup run. We should get rid of Kightly and not have given Pennant the chance to take the piss again. How many people over the years have hoped it was the last time he took the piss and simply focused on being an incredibly rich professional footballer? Are all the people that have given him chance after chance before reluctantly having to give up on this character wrong? This idiot has a fantastic chance at a fantastic life but chooses to spurn it every time thus far. There are so many in the world that would give anything for the type of life people have begged this twat to have. He's disgusting and really does make me sick.
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Post by hollybush on Jun 21, 2013 14:52:37 GMT
I don't know if anyone is suggesting a preference towards Kightly or Shotton over Pennant on the wing, rather whether we want a scrote like Pennant. Personally I would get rid of Kightly based on performances not being good enough and sacked Pennant. Neither Shotton or Kightly are any good on the wing but then it's not as though Pennant was any good after the FA Cup run. We should get rid of Kightly and not have given Pennant the chance to take the piss again. How many people over the years have hoped it was the last time he took the piss and simply focused on being an incredibly rich professional footballer? Are all the people that have given him chance after chance before reluctantly having to give up on this character wrong? This idiot has a fantastic chance at a fantastic life but chooses to spurn it every time thus far. There are so many in the world that would give anything for the type of life people have begged this twat to have. He's disgusting and really does make me sick. What's up pal, has he been banging your wife?
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Post by boothenesque on Jun 21, 2013 17:18:44 GMT
Nah, just hacked off that people complain when people like nurses, soldiers, firefighters need more cash to survive, yet they're happy paying money to this toerag. Free country I suppose and simply expressing an opinion. For all TP's flaws, one thing I think he did do was give people that had gone a bit off the rails a chance to get back on track. Some like Etherington and Fuller responded in the right way, whereas some like Beattie and Pennant didn't. Free country, it's their free choice to do that. All I am saying is that in my opinion there are better people and prospects to focus on than this nobhead. Perhaps his old man will have a role for him when everyone does the sensible thing and finally turns their back on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 17:23:59 GMT
Nah, just hacked off that people complain when people like nurses, soldiers, firefighters need more cash to survive, yet their happy paying money to this toerag. Free country I suppose and simply expressing an opinion. For all TP's flaws, one thing I think he did do was give people that had gone a bit off the rails a chance to get back on track. Some like Etherington and Fuller responded in the right way, whereas some like Beattie and Pennant didn't. Free country, it's their free choice to do that. All I am saying is that in my opinion there are better people and prospects to focus on than this nobhead. Perhaps his old man will have a role for him when everyone does the sensible thing and finally turns their back on him. Ok think everybody gets that you don't like pennant, can you please stop banging on about it now!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 23:39:25 GMT
Don't get too excited because that's what you're supposed to do ... The errant street kid has apparently reformed which has been perceptively detected and re-calibrated in a forward direction.The whole exercise costing us less than the parking tickets found on his 'forgotten sports car' dumped at a Spanish railway station car park. ''Don't be so negative'' I hear you cry...give him and the manager a chance. Well fair enough. If it comes off then great...if it doesn't then perhaps we should adopt the ideology of 'nothing lost ...nothing gained'... www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2013/06/21/4064605/-?It would be great to see Pennant back at his very best...but this HAS TO BE his very last chance,.. A shrewd move or an unmitigated disaster...?
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Post by Gods on Jun 21, 2013 23:58:55 GMT
A shrewd move or an unmitigated disaster...? I predict something in between.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 22, 2013 5:45:21 GMT
Blimey mumf, are you losing your grip? That link is exactly the same story we have seen about 6 or 7 times (or more) on various web sites since it was announced we were re-signing Pennant. Nowt added and nowt taken away as far as I can see.
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Post by alster on Jun 22, 2013 6:54:05 GMT
How about just letting the errant street kid and Son of convicted drug dealer just be whatever he is. Monitor his fitness and judge him on his performances on the football field. Which incidentally were never that shoddy. Its football why people choose to try to make it into social engineering I've absolutely no idea, as in life it takes all sorts to make the world the varied and interesting place it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 7:16:19 GMT
There's more to succeeding as a footballer than just ability and more to management than just what happens on the pitch. A manager has to think about his dressing room and morale. Equally he can't let his authority be undermined.
It's hard to see how Pennant has earned this chance but let's hope he takes it.
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Post by kerouac on Jun 22, 2013 8:16:33 GMT
There was always going to be problems with him and TP wasn't there?Hes got the talent but when he did play last season he looked very frustrated,endlessly running into corners cos there was no fucker any where near him to pass to.I remember one game the season before last,it could have been against wolves but I'm not sure,and he was on fire and running the game and particularly remember one beautiful bit of vision that resulted in a sublime pass,something I hope we see much more of this season!
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Post by boothenesque on Jun 22, 2013 11:05:14 GMT
How about just letting the errant street kid and Son of convicted drug dealer just be whatever he is. Monitor his fitness and judge him on his performances on the football field. Which incidentally were never that shoddy. Its football why people choose to try to make it into social engineering I've absolutely no idea, as in life it takes all sorts to make the world the varied and interesting place it is. It's not really a case of social engineering. The more characters the better. It's when they become simply untrustworthy. You can't trust this guy on anything. He lies, cheats and lets you down. He's had his occasional moments and yeah there is a great footballer in their but the nob can't even trust himself. It's not as though he has been good enough to deserve yet another chance to take the piss. I hope he goes on to score 20 goals, gets the winner in the FA Cup 2014 and for the first time in his life redeems himself and gives something back, but his track record of deceit doesn't bode well.
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Post by boothenmonkey on Jun 22, 2013 21:47:05 GMT
Im not sure if its already been raised (puely because I cant be arsed read all the pages) but has anyone touched on the possibility that Pennant was finaly dropped because of his announcement of Tom Huddlestones appearance at training on twitter just before the window shut.TP always disliked twitter etc. and the leaking of transfer news maybe this was the final straw in his mind.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jul 1, 2013 7:23:09 GMT
Can someone state categorically that JP has been offered a contract? The Telegraph (as recently as yesterday) is claiming that he's been released Someone........anyone???????
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Post by drfishy on Jul 1, 2013 7:32:38 GMT
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Post by jeycov on Jul 1, 2013 7:36:52 GMT
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Post by markscfc72 on Jul 1, 2013 8:42:35 GMT
very good news
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 1, 2013 9:20:06 GMT
Despite all the vitriol voiced against himand despite the number of occasions I have asked, no-one has explained what he did wrong other than upset Pulis. Lots of conjecture but no facts, sent on exile to Wolves, refused training facilities, Pulis at his most vindictive. No wonder he reacted. No excuses this season so let's wait and see.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jul 4, 2013 2:40:26 GMT
Thank you all...I for one, am VERY pleased we've retained him He's as good a 'crosser' of the ball as I've seen play for us in a long while. If he f*cks up again - I'll eat my words
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