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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jun 18, 2013 16:56:08 GMT
He does sound genuinely pleased to have re-signed momo and thinks the fans are wonderful Whether he feels hard done to or not Mutt, the things that are in the public domain were enough for him to be sacked so I had hoped he was looking to the future rather than harking to the past. I agree mate and imo he must now consider this to be his VERY LAST CHANCE at the top level surely
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 16:57:05 GMT
Well I did say on the Knotfm thread on Sunday...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2013 17:00:07 GMT
A hungry Pennant, even though he's on his last legs physically, probably does have more of a potential upside at this point than Kightly or Ethers. He has the quality at least, and has never been that reliant on pace. If we can go into next season with Shea, Pennant and 2 others, having moved those two on, that'll potentially be progress. Even with Pennant back in the equation, the wing options still need a bulldozer taking to them. With Pennant now banked, I'd be on the phone to Billy Davies tonight offering him Kightly at a bargain price if there was any truth in that Forest interest. And surely we'll see Ethers move on. Shouldn't be on his last legs , he's only 30 , Hughes has a reputation for getting his players very fit lets hope the penny finally drops with pennant 31 in Jan. It's knocking on in winger years, isn't it? Can't think of many out-and-out wide men who are playing week-in and week-out at that age in the Premier League.
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Post by RAF on Jun 18, 2013 17:00:34 GMT
It does make you think that whatever Pennant did last season to piss Pulis off it really wasn't that much. I'm sure if Pennant had done anything substantial (as many have described on here), then the Coates family would have (rightfully) blocked this deal. Indeed. H
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Post by generationex on Jun 18, 2013 17:01:07 GMT
Aah the magic of the unplayed player strikes again! Doesn't play means better than those that do. It's a bizzare but strangely attractive logic.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 18, 2013 17:01:55 GMT
A slightly risky but cheap solution to a big problem if he gets him going he has the ability, just wonder how the players will feel about it if as suggested he has pissed about so much over the past couple of years
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jun 18, 2013 17:04:22 GMT
Aah the magic of the unplayed player strikes again! Doesn't play means better than those that do. It's a bizzare but strangely attractive logic. No, but clearly Pennant is a better option than Walters, Kightly or Shotton on the right!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2013 17:09:29 GMT
It does make you think that whatever Pennant did last season to piss Pulis off it really wasn't that much. I'm sure if Pennant had done anything substantial (as many have described on here), then the Coates family would have (rightfully) blocked this deal. Indeed. H Except the putting yourself in the position where you could have no argument if you were sent to jail bit...
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 18, 2013 17:11:45 GMT
But we werent tied to pennant though were we? We could have gone out and bought someone better, who has no baggage. And the new player would be better than kightly AND Pennant. Of course, that might cost money though and Pennant was going cheap...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 18, 2013 17:11:49 GMT
Age is less of an issue with Pennant because he relies less on his pace than the likes of Etherington for example.
At his best, Pennant has a fine football brain with great control and a superb first touch. He drifts inside and can whip a ball in with limited space because he has the nouse and the ability to do so.
Can he recapture his best form having barely played for 18 months? Who knows and time will tell.
One thing for certain though, it blows all the shit spouted about him sleeping with players wives, being hated by teammates and being an all round bad egg who was poisonous in the dressing room to shreds once and for all.
It also shows, given that the deal will obviously meet with the approval of the Chairman, that the issue between Pulis and Pennant was a personal one and everything that happened with Pennant last season was all down to spite on the part of the manager. Sending him to Wolves, making him train with the kids, agreeing and then scuppering a loan move to Leeds etc, etc.
Good luck to Pennant. If he can recapture form and fitness, then he will be an asset to us.
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Post by unknown182 on Jun 18, 2013 17:13:40 GMT
Is he able to travel to the US this time around?
He probably needs the pre-season training more than anyone else and if he's left out again it will be a blow
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jun 18, 2013 17:16:01 GMT
Age is less of an issue with Pennant because he relies less on his pace than the likes of Etherington for example. At his best, Pennant has a fine football brain with great control and a superb first touch. He drifts inside and can whip a ball in with limited space because he has the nouse and the ability to do so. Can he recapture his best form having barely played for 18 months? Who knows and time will tell. One thing for certain though, it blows all the shit spouted about him sleeping with players wives, being hated by teammates and being an all round bad egg who was poisonous in the dressing room to shreds once and for all. It also shows, given that the deal will obviously meet with the approval of the Chairman, that the issue between Pulis and Pennant was a personal one and everything that happened with Pennant last season was all down to spite on the part of the manager. Sending him to Wolves, making him train with the kids, agreeing and then scuppering a loan move to Leeds etc, etc. Good luck to Pennant. If he can recapture form and fitness, then he will be an asset to us. Coates seems pretty sound about it here. Good luck to pennant. Just get your fucking head down and press on lad. www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/story-19318075-detail/story.html?#axzz2WaVdyCka
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2013 17:17:16 GMT
It also shows, given that the deal will obviously meet with the approval of the Chairman, that the issue between Pulis and Pennant was a personal one and everything that happened with Pennant last season was all down to spite on the part of the manager. Except the putting yourself into grave danger of going to prison bit.
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Post by NassauDave on Jun 18, 2013 17:18:38 GMT
I was having a look around Clayton Woods earlier and Jermaine Pennant was wandering about. I thought something must have been sorted, as he was walking away from the manager's office and didn't look like he was leaving. What was he doing in the woods? And more importantly, what were you doing in there???
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Post by RAF on Jun 18, 2013 17:19:42 GMT
Except the putting yourself in the position where you could have no argument if you were sent to jail bit... It didn't bother TP when Periwinkle went to jail. Obviously something happened between Pulis and Pennant that is for sure. It clearly didn't bother Coatesy too much. H
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 18, 2013 17:19:57 GMT
It also shows, given that the deal will obviously meet with the approval of the Chairman, that the issue between Pulis and Pennant was a personal one and everything that happened with Pennant last season was all down to spite on the part of the manager. Except the putting yourself into grave danger of going to prison bit. Thing is..he didn't go to prison though.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jun 18, 2013 17:27:10 GMT
For those who call Pennant a troublemaker and a liability I would offer this: Has he (Pennant) ever embarressed the club and its entire support ON the pitch like one of our more recent so called 'Legends' I could mention ? answer to that is no - actually So - why is one guy a legend and the other a rank troublemaker who should be drummed out of our club for falling out with our previous 'issue' ridden manager ? (all I want is a bit of balance when we discuss such issues - and Pennant deserves another chance on the basis we might actually have got a real class player back in our squad for relative 'buttons'.) (I wouldve thought he would be hungry to prove himself also - just like our new manager) I'm one of Pennant's biggest fans on the pitch but let's get one thing straight - he definitely doesn't 'deserve' another chance. He's had a whole career of misbehaviour and poor professionalism interspursed with small patches of great form when he can be bothered. He is a very talented player who you could argue has pissed his career up the wall because he's a dick. I have no problem with a short term deal and hope he's realised it's last chance saloon at this level and puts the hard work in but i'll be far from surprised if it doesn't last. And please stop comparing Pennant with Fuller as if they're the same thing. Fuller did it for years and without him we'd be nowhere. Pennant has given us about 6 months. Form is temporary but class is forever - good behaviour is temporary but a dick will always be a dick would be more appropriate for Pennant. Chalk and cheese, apples and pears or whatever other tired old phrase you want to throw at it. Good luck JP - don't let us down again.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2013 17:28:14 GMT
Except the putting yourself in the position where you could have no argument if you were sent to jail bit... It didn't bother TP when Periwinkle went to jail. Obviously something happened between Pulis and Pennant that is for sure. It clearly didn't bother Coatesy too much. H Pulis may have overreacted but the court case allied to the Everton curfew incident later verified by Spinks, are at least two incidents that were out of order. I said earlier I'm happy with the deal but if he's still got his victim, 'I did nothing wrong' head on I expect it to end in tears before Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 17:29:19 GMT
Over-rated, probally over paid, would have prefered holliet over him. Let's hope the guy repays the chance that hughes has handed him. (Just like all the other chances eh)
I would rather see sombody who respects the club and its image personally. Bet he's sitting at home pissing himself.
Fook me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 18, 2013 17:35:05 GMT
But good luck Jermaine. Very uninspiring.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 17:35:09 GMT
Not convinced it's a good idea at all but it's not inconceivable he could come good.
Had sort of hoped we'd moved on from wingers though and might try something a bit different.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 18, 2013 17:36:56 GMT
Except the putting yourself in the position where you could have no argument if you were sent to jail bit... But it didn't have anything to do with the drink driving stuff did it. TP's problems with Pennant started long before that, and continued way after too. TP wasn't averse to the odd motoring offence too (claiming the people of Stoke-on-Trent exceptional hardship if he got banned). Then there's the Pericard angle. Pulis didn't have a problem with him after being sent down did he? There was something else that happened. Maybe it was turning up for a meeting late, maybe it was the alleged drinking the night before games (which if it had been, I'm sure that Scholes/Coates would have stopped Pennant having his contract renewed). Whatever it was, it looks as though the club's hierarchy have sided with Pennant on how significant the misdemeanour was.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jun 18, 2013 17:43:58 GMT
Well I did say on the Knotfm thread on Sunday... Well bugger me, so you did. Well done mate Jermaine Pennant will be a Stoke player next season, 100% fact guys.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2013 17:44:14 GMT
Except the putting yourself in the position where you could have no argument if you were sent to jail bit... But it didn't have anything to do with the drink driving stuff did it. TP's problems with Pennant started long before that, and continued way after too. TP wasn't averse to the odd motoring offence too (claiming the people of Stoke-on-Trent exceptional hardship if he got banned). Then there's the Pericard angle. Pulis didn't have a problem with him after being sent down did he? There was something else that happened. Maybe it was turning up for a meeting late, maybe it was the alleged drinking the night before games (which if it had been, I'm sure that Scholes/Coates would have stopped Pennant having his contract renewed). Whatever it was, it looks as though the club's hierarchy have sided with Pennant on how significant the misdemeanour was. I think they've been pragmatic rather than 'sided with Pennant'. I don't give a fuck how Pulis feels about it to be honest but to paint Pennant as a blameless victim is plain stupid and contrary to the evidence and for the player seemingly to be doing it is a huge concern. He needs to fucking 'shape up' regardless of whether Pulis overreacted or not. He behaved like an idiot and played like one for a while as well. I was hoping he'd learned from his mistakes.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 18, 2013 17:45:38 GMT
Just watched his interview on "player". Something that has always intrigued me about Jermaine is that, despite his rough upbringing on the "wrong side of the tracks" and all the scrapes he has got into with the law, wimmin and managers, he still gives a damned sight better an interview than many many players do. Some of the tongue tied millionaires could take lessons from him in how to put your point over in a way which people can understand. Of course, we only got the Pennant version of events - but then we only got the TP version of events and, no doubt, we'll only get the MH version of events in the future. Welcome back into the fold Jermaine. Your on probation - but I guess you are used to that. Don't f*ck up this time or a lot of us will take it personally. Good luck, I hope you flourish. PS - If I were you I'd keep Alice away from twitter - she's doing you more harm than good with her comments. Tell her to stick to what she's good at - she went to the same school as me so we are probably good at the same things!
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Post by nik80 on Jun 18, 2013 17:47:41 GMT
Well I've been pretty cynical in what I believe Pennant's got left in the tank, but I am happy to give him another chance to knuckle down and see what he can offer us. Fair play to Hughes for taking the gamble and I seriously hope Pennant can do the business again. Always liked him I just wonder what sorta form he can find after a long absence from the game.
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Post by RAF on Jun 18, 2013 17:53:14 GMT
But it didn't have anything to do with the drink driving stuff did it. TP's problems with Pennant started long before that, and continued way after too. TP wasn't averse to the odd motoring offence too (claiming the people of Stoke-on-Trent exceptional hardship if he got banned). Then there's the Pericard angle. Pulis didn't have a problem with him after being sent down did he? There was something else that happened. Maybe it was turning up for a meeting late, maybe it was the alleged drinking the night before games (which if it had been, I'm sure that Scholes/Coates would have stopped Pennant having his contract renewed). Whatever it was, it looks as though the club's hierarchy have sided with Pennant on how significant the misdemeanour was. I think they've been pragmatic rather than 'sided with Pennant'. I don't give a fuck how Pulis feels about it to be honest but to paint Pennant as a blameless victim is plain stupid and contrary to the evidence and for the player seemingly to be doing it is a huge concern. He needs to fucking 'shape up' regardless of whether Pulis overreacted or not. He behaved like an idiot and played like one for a while as well. I was hoping he'd learned from his mistakes. I don't think anyone on here is trying to paint him as a blameless victim, he most certainly isn't and he would be a fucking idiot to play that card as well. He just needs to get his head down and not act a twat. Chances? Minimal probably if you look at his history, but stranger things have happened. H
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Post by Boothen on Jun 18, 2013 17:58:05 GMT
Age is less of an issue with Pennant because he relies less on his pace than the likes of Etherington for example. At his best, Pennant has a fine football brain with great control and a superb first touch. He drifts inside and can whip a ball in with limited space because he has the nouse and the ability to do so. Can he recapture his best form having barely played for 18 months? Who knows and time will tell. One thing for certain though, it blows all the shit spouted about him sleeping with players wives, being hated by teammates and being an all round bad egg who was poisonous in the dressing room to shreds once and for all. It also shows, given that the deal will obviously meet with the approval of the Chairman, that the issue between Pulis and Pennant was a personal one and everything that happened with Pennant last season was all down to spite on the part of the manager. Sending him to Wolves, making him train with the kids, agreeing and then scuppering a loan move to Leeds etc, etc. Good luck to Pennant. If he can recapture form and fitness, then he will be an asset to us. Completely agree with all this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 18:02:34 GMT
Age is less of an issue with Pennant because he relies less on his pace than the likes of Etherington for example. At his best, Pennant has a fine football brain with great control and a superb first touch. He drifts inside and can whip a ball in with limited space because he has the nouse and the ability to do so. Can he recapture his best form having barely played for 18 months? Who knows and time will tell. One thing for certain though, it blows all the shit spouted about him sleeping with players wives, being hated by teammates and being an all round bad egg who was poisonous in the dressing room to shreds once and for all. It also shows, given that the deal will obviously meet with the approval of the Chairman, that the issue between Pulis and Pennant was a personal one and everything that happened with Pennant last season was all down to spite on the part of the manager. Sending him to Wolves, making him train with the kids, agreeing and then scuppering a loan move to Leeds etc, etc. Good luck to Pennant. If he can recapture form and fitness, then he will be an asset to us. Completely agree with all this. Agreed.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 18, 2013 18:12:38 GMT
No we are signing, hopefully, a bloke who was not allowed to train and was sent to Wolves by the former manager. Not the first casualty of TP but thankfully the last. He just needs to prove to everyone including himself that it is the right decision. And when he got to Wolves he could not get a game, that has got nothing to do with what went on here. If you believe that you will believe anything. Sent where you don't want to go and expected to perform? Unlikely.
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