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Post by metalhead on Jun 11, 2013 6:35:27 GMT
Desperately hope we don't sign Shelvey. The guy couldn't trap a bag of cement. Have you ever tried trapping a bag of cement? It's not as easy as you might think,especially with today's boots being so thin on the protection front. Shelvey is a lot better player than you lot on here are giving him credit for. It wasn't so long ago everyone was saying the same about a certain mr Henderson,and he was comfortably Liverpools most improved player last season. The irony of course being that I still think Henderson is dog shit... but hey, horses for courses. My issue with Shelvey isn't necessarily his personal ability. It's the fact that I don't see him adding much to our team. I watched him in the 3-1 victory and his contribution was minimal for Liverpool. He did a few short passes, but these Hollywood balls that are spoken of seemingly never came.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 11, 2013 8:04:30 GMT
It would be good for the future "harmony" of the club if Hughes first signing was one welcomed with open arms!
Whether Shelvey fits this criteria who knows - who would we welcome realistically?
Hughes seems to be up for the challenge of proving his worth as a manager and I doubt that he would take too great a risk on some of the players that are currently available.
Shelvey is young, has some international experience and is looking for more match time at a Premiership club.
Who knows, the England set up just may turn up at the Brit to watch our team, if we have some promising players on our books.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 11, 2013 8:21:44 GMT
Everyone's an expert hey?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 11, 2013 8:31:00 GMT
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Post by vahl on Jun 11, 2013 8:36:30 GMT
Shelvey is a good player.
He is by far better than any other midfielder we have and he can play in the hole or up top.
As Stoke fans we are getting a little bit too 'snobby' and need to keep our feet firmly on the ground.
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Post by adi on Jun 11, 2013 8:53:43 GMT
Watching him in Europe last season he scored a few goals and looked decent. However, in the league I can't recall him doing anything spectacular. In summary.. wouldn't be arsed either way. When gerrard was out he filled in very well if i remember rightly. Id take him, better than whitehead, whelan and palacios
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Post by kristoff on Jun 11, 2013 11:28:09 GMT
I remember watching him in the Victory Shield match a fair few years ago at the Bucks Head (seeing as its Telford Uniteds ground,i live there, and i got free tickets from where i worked). Always tried to keep an eye on him. Looked pretty good from what ive seen, and remember, liverpool is a fair bit bigger than us, what they think isnt working, might work out very well for us.
Id be more than happy with him here tbh
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 11:45:45 GMT
Have you ever tried trapping a bag of cement? It's not as easy as you might think,especially with today's boots being so thin on the protection front. Shelvey is a lot better player than you lot on here are giving him credit for. It wasn't so long ago everyone was saying the same about a certain mr Henderson,and he was comfortably Liverpools most improved player last season. The irony of course being that I still think Henderson is dog shit... but hey, horses for courses. My issue with Shelvey isn't necessarily his personal ability. It's the fact that I don't see him adding much to our team. I watched him in the 3-1 victory and his contribution was minimal for Liverpool. He did a few short passes, but these Hollywood balls that are spoken of seemingly never came. Fair enough. I you ask me he would add a lot more than 99% of our current midfield players,and to say his contribution was minimal when we beat them 3-1 is a bit unfair as you could say the same about some of their world class players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 11:55:36 GMT
He is an attacking midfield player who gets up and down the pitch and can score goals He is also an England international mate I could name You at least 10 current England internationals I wouldn't want us to sign, it means fuck all. Go on then Bayern,I'm intrigued
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jun 11, 2013 11:56:55 GMT
I saw quite a bit of him last year seeing as the scousers are always on the box regardless of how wank they are, and i was far from impressed, ok, he was out of position pretty much all the time. But being out of position shouldn't mean you are completely incapable of controlling a football or finding a teammate.
He hasn't impressed me on any of the 9 or 10 occassion i've seen him play for them, and if i recall correctly, was absolutely fucking woeful against us.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 11, 2013 11:57:21 GMT
The irony of course being that I still think Henderson is dog shit... but hey, horses for courses. My issue with Shelvey isn't necessarily his personal ability. It's the fact that I don't see him adding much to our team. I watched him in the 3-1 victory and his contribution was minimal for Liverpool. He did a few short passes, but these Hollywood balls that are spoken of seemingly never came. Fair enough. I you ask me he would add a lot more than 99% of our current midfield players,and to say his contribution was minimal when we beat them 3-1 is a bit unfair as you could say the same about some of their world class players. True that.
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Post by smudger46 on Jun 11, 2013 13:43:12 GMT
all these people saying shelvey is crap etc . compare him to Whelan, whitehead and tbh all our midfield options he is as good if not better than them and what I have seen he gives 25% more effort too.
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Post by kristoff on Jun 11, 2013 14:18:58 GMT
I saw quite a bit of him last year seeing as the scousers are always on the box regardless of how wank they are, and i was far from impressed, ok, he was out of position pretty much all the time. But being out of position shouldn't mean you are completely incapable of controlling a football or finding a teammate. He hasn't impressed me on any of the 9 or 10 occassion i've seen him play for them, and if i recall correctly, was absolutely fucking woeful against us. He was better than some of the other liverpool players i thought that day. You say being out of position shouldnt mean you cant control or pass a ball, but thats what the vast majority of this board say about our players this last season.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jun 11, 2013 14:40:23 GMT
I saw quite a bit of him last year seeing as the scousers are always on the box regardless of how wank they are, and i was far from impressed, ok, he was out of position pretty much all the time. But being out of position shouldn't mean you are completely incapable of controlling a football or finding a teammate. He hasn't impressed me on any of the 9 or 10 occassion i've seen him play for them, and if i recall correctly, was absolutely fucking woeful against us. He was better than some of the other liverpool players i thought that day. You say being out of position shouldnt mean you cant control or pass a ball, but thats what the vast majority of this board say about our players this last season. Well it's certainly not what i say. You can't necessarily expect a striker to go out on the wing and beat a man on the touch line and pop crosses in all day long. And you can excuse a CM like shelvey going up front and maybe being a bit out of his depth positionally, or not getting involved in the game as much as he might. But control and simple passing are inherent abilities that any top flight players should possess, if we see Shelvey as an big improvement then we really have had our expectations of what a talented midfielder looks like well and truly trampled on in the last few years.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 11, 2013 14:51:06 GMT
He was better than some of the other liverpool players i thought that day. You say being out of position shouldnt mean you cant control or pass a ball, but thats what the vast majority of this board say about our players this last season. if we see Shelvey as an big improvement then we really have had our expectations of what a talented midfielder looks like well and truly trampled on in the last few years. It's called being Whelanised, I guess.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 11, 2013 16:48:35 GMT
if we see Shelvey as an big improvement then we really have had our expectations of what a talented midfielder looks like well and truly trampled on in the last few years. It's called being Whelanised, I guess. If that isn't a perfect term for a under achieving PL Midfielder I don't know what is...
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Post by kevkj on Jun 11, 2013 17:12:23 GMT
I would take him in a blink compared to the midfield dross we have watched.Including square pass Nzonzi who flatters to decieve.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 11, 2013 17:52:54 GMT
if we see Shelvey as an big improvement then we really have had our expectations of what a talented midfielder looks like well and truly trampled on in the last few years. It's called being Whelanised, I guess. I'd go for Whiteheaded!
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 11, 2013 17:56:01 GMT
I would take him in a blink compared to the midfield dross we have watched.Including square pass Nzonzi who flatters to decieve. Peoples hardons for Pennant, Whelan, sjw, Ethers, kightly surely believe what we have on contact will suffice in a real football side... Heh. No more hoofing, no more pulisball thus making players who have had no impact last season ie Whelan kightly and Ethers look the shit they are unless they actually contribute in attack and dribble at players and move around without just loading possession. Imo most of our MF is past it players like shelvey would make them look league 1 but 6.5 mil is taking the piss. There's surely better players than what we have starting contract or not.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jun 11, 2013 17:57:55 GMT
all these people saying shelvey is crap etc . compare him to Whelan, whitehead and tbh all our midfield options he is as good if not better than them and what I have seen he gives 25% more effort too. Probably true but for 6.5m i would hope we can find someone with a lot more potential. I'd start by trying to find players who can control it, can find time on the ball, can see a pass and make it and can stick it in the net with a free header from a yard out. Shelvey struggles with all of these. Tries hard though - oh goody.
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Post by RAF on Jun 11, 2013 18:00:27 GMT
all these people saying shelvey is crap etc . compare him to Whelan, whitehead and tbh all our midfield options he is as good if not better than them and what I have seen he gives 25% more effort too. Probably true but for 6.5m i would hope we can find someone with a lot more potential. I'd start by trying to find players who can control it, can find time on the ball, can see a pass and make it and can stick it in the net with a free header from a yard out. Shelvey struggles with all of these. Tries hard though - oh goody. Spot on chin hippy. Did you watch him tonight? H
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Post by Beardy200 on Jun 11, 2013 18:04:08 GMT
Probably true but for 6.5m i would hope we can find someone with a lot more potential. I'd start by trying to find players who can control it, can find time on the ball, can see a pass and make it and can stick it in the net with a free header from a yard out. Shelvey struggles with all of these. Tries hard though - oh goody. Spot on chin hippy. Did you watch him tonight? H Nah. It was all over when i got in from work. I'm guessing not good?
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 11, 2013 18:05:20 GMT
It's called being Whelanised, I guess. I'd go for Whiteheaded! Ha he was never pegged as an international or a PL starter under a manager that didn't have a hard on for him the likes our tone has for sjw and sir Whelanized.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2013 18:05:57 GMT
I could name You at least 10 current England internationals I wouldn't want us to sign, it means fuck all. Go on then Bayern,I'm intrigued There'll be some names that people will laugh at but I genuinely wouldn't want them; Ben Foster- makes a mistake every about third game, a proper dracula 'keeper, I can't stand him. Rob Green- just wank Glen Johnson- the man can't defend and is a massive liability, I honestly wouldn't want him. Michael Dawson- I just don't get him, never liked him, never will, didn't want him when we were linked with him last season. Gary Cahill- just fucking awful. Phil Jones as a centre back- see Gary Cahill but he's weaker than Cahill, he's a midfielder and I've have him like a shot there. Chris Smalling- much like Dawson I just can't see the fuss and he's a liability imo. Leon Osman- too old. Jonjo Shelvey- League One player. Stuck on 9, gutted. But of the current and recent squads there are some uncapped ones I wouldn't touch with a bargepole-Forster, McCarthy and Steven Taylor. I nearly went for Sterling too but the lad needs time to see if he'll go the route of a Lennon (alright but not that great) or Pennant.
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Post by RAF on Jun 11, 2013 18:06:35 GMT
Spot on chin hippy. Did you watch him tonight? H Nah. It was all over when i got in from work. I'm guessing not good? Moaning carthorse who looked 2 yards off the pace and unfit! H
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Post by steve66 on Jun 11, 2013 18:07:47 GMT
Hi all. If you have been listening to the KnotFM Sunday Sports Show tonight you would of heard that according to a chap who works on SSN Jonjo Shelvey is 70% done to join stoke for £6.5m. Should be interesting see if there is anything in it. Not doubting your good intentions mate, but that has to be the most laughable transfer joke doing the rounds!
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 11, 2013 18:23:26 GMT
all these people saying shelvey is crap etc . compare him to Whelan, whitehead and tbh all our midfield options he is as good if not better than them and what I have seen he gives 25% more effort too. Probably true but for 6.5m i would hope we can find someone with a lot more potential. I'd start by trying to find players who can control it, can find time on the ball, can see a pass and make it and can stick it in the net with a free header from a yard out. Shelvey struggles with all of these. Tries hard though - oh goody. Comparing shelvey to Whelan and Whitehead or any pulisball MF we have except nzonzi is not even close, he is miles better and his engine is better than deanos which is scary. But 6.5 million... Come on. Atleast he can score goals... Which imo makes him ten times more appealing than whelan a "PL" starter with no goals and form so bad well be trying to offloading him.
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Post by onionman on Jun 11, 2013 18:32:08 GMT
Go on then Bayern,I'm intrigued There'll be some names that people will laugh at but I genuinely wouldn't want them; Ben Foster- makes a mistake every about third game, a proper dracula 'keeper, I can't stand him. Rob Green- just wank Glen Johnson- the man can't defend and is a massive liability, I honestly wouldn't want him. Michael Dawson- I just don't get him, never liked him, never will, didn't want him when we were linked with him last season. Gary Cahill- just fucking awful. Phil Jones as a centre back- see Gary Cahill but he's weaker than Cahill, he's a midfielder and I've have him like a shot there. Chris Smalling- much like Dawson I just can't see the fuss and he's a liability imo. Leon Osman- too old. Jonjo Shelvey- League One player. Stuck on 9, gutted. But of the current and recent squads there are some uncapped ones I wouldn't touch with a bargepole-Forster, McCarthy and Steven Taylor. I nearly went for Sterling too but the lad needs time to see if he'll go the route of a Lennon (alright but not that great) or Pennant. Can you include Carlton Cole? I agree with your list, apart from Osman who would be good for us despite not being young.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 19:01:18 GMT
It's called being Whelanised, I guess. If that isn't a perfect term for a under achieving PL Midfielder I don't know what is... Surely he's an over-achieving Championship one??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2013 19:06:42 GMT
There'll be some names that people will laugh at but I genuinely wouldn't want them; Ben Foster- makes a mistake every about third game, a proper dracula 'keeper, I can't stand him. Rob Green- just wank Glen Johnson- the man can't defend and is a massive liability, I honestly wouldn't want him. Michael Dawson- I just don't get him, never liked him, never will, didn't want him when we were linked with him last season. Gary Cahill- just fucking awful. Phil Jones as a centre back- see Gary Cahill but he's weaker than Cahill, he's a midfielder and I've have him like a shot there. Chris Smalling- much like Dawson I just can't see the fuss and he's a liability imo. Leon Osman- too old. Jonjo Shelvey- League One player. Stuck on 9, gutted. But of the current and recent squads there are some uncapped ones I wouldn't touch with a bargepole-Forster, McCarthy and Steven Taylor. I nearly went for Sterling too but the lad needs time to see if he'll go the route of a Lennon (alright but not that great) or Pennant. Can you include Carlton Cole? I agree with your list, apart from Osman who would be good for us despite not being young. I guess I can! I like Osman but wouldn't want him because of his age. Henderson is another one like Sterling. I have a feeling both will be decent enough players but I just dunna like the pair of them.
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