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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 29, 2013 22:17:00 GMT
Now our new manager has been confirmed (well...pretty much) would just like to say a big thank you to Tony Pulis for what he did at the club. While the past 2 seasons have unquestionably been absolutely dour and its clear he had reached his limitations as a manager, there can be little denying that on the whole hes done a magnificent job at Stoke.
It was clear that the end was nigh in his more recent interviews and particularly (for me) in his final programme notes against Spurs which read out like a CV. However ultimately, what he said was true...he had taken us from the foot of the championship to the premier league and had kept us there for 5 years while taking us to the club's first FA Cup final and the last 32 of Europe - all fantastic achievements. The highest point for me would probably have to be the Villa home game and the last minute Mama header. That along with a number of notable encounters including the 5-0 thrashing of Bolton in the Cup Semi-Final have made for an amazing journey.
I'm sure all of us can agree that TP has done a great job for Stoke and i'm sure i'm speaking on behalf of all Stoke supporters when I say that we wish him all the best in the future in whatever he chooses to do.
Tone has laid the foundations...over to you Mark.
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Post by kylelightbourne on May 29, 2013 22:22:01 GMT
Yes over to you Mark - but please don't "bring back the turk!"  |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 29, 2013 22:22:44 GMT
Yes over to you Mark - but please don't "bring back the turk!" Oi, fuck you! |
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Post by poethebald on May 29, 2013 22:25:16 GMT
Tone has done himself a favour by getting out with his reputation in tact.
Now the cost cutting etc will begin....Mr Coates will begin to recoup his losses now....its so plain to see.Weve been here before....
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Post by starkiller on May 29, 2013 22:28:05 GMT
While the past 2 seasons have unquestionably been absolutely dour and its clear he had reached his limitations as a manager I'm sure Tone will appreciate your kind words. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 29, 2013 22:29:35 GMT
Was never a rimmer or phw, but big shout to ya Tone.
You took our broken old club and made it whole again and put us back on the map, whilst creating bits of history along the way.
For that I thank you.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 29, 2013 22:30:14 GMT
While the past 2 seasons have unquestionably been absolutely dour and its clear he had reached his limitations as a manager I'm sure Tone will appreciate your kind words. Yeah probably came out a bit wrong |
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Post by digger on May 29, 2013 22:31:26 GMT
thanks tony  see you in about jan  |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 29, 2013 22:46:18 GMT
Pass the sick bag while you put the station{ary} wagon in reverse....?
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Post by oatcakesteve on May 29, 2013 22:46:26 GMT
Hail Tony. At least he loved this club. Mark Hughes doesn't, or won't, it's just his job.
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Post by Gods on May 29, 2013 22:48:28 GMT
thanks tony see you in about jan  I'm going for August next year. We've been relegated, Denise, John and Richard have lost whatever vague interest they had in the first place now the TV money has dried up. We can't afford Scholes or Cartwright and Phil Rawlins is still not answering his phone in the Florida sunshine. Old Coatsey is once again left holding the baby. He scratches his balding pate and contemplates what to do next, then leans forward and fumbles for his tatty old address book..."now did I file him under 'T' or 'P'?" |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 23:00:02 GMT
What foundations have been left by Pulis?
I'd love to know ....
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Post by digger on May 29, 2013 23:09:36 GMT
do you hear that (question)that's the sound of no - one caring  |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 29, 2013 23:24:24 GMT
What foundations have been left by Pulis? I'd love to know .... Premier league football for 5 seasons with an FA Cup Final and European football along the way? Better platform to build on than 20th in the championship isn't it? I was one of his biggest critics but credit where its due. We were able to attract Hughes for a start (whether you rate him or not hes a pretty big name)...do you think we could have done that 5 years ago? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 0:52:38 GMT
What foundations have been left by Pulis? I'd love to know .... Premier league football for 5 seasons with an FA Cup Final and European football along the way? Better platform to build on than 20th in the championship isn't it? I was one of his biggest critics but credit where its due. We were able to attract Hughes for a start (whether you rate him or not hes a pretty big name)...do you think we could have done that 5 years ago? You are talking about "results". Results are not foundations. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 1:20:18 GMT
Anyway rossi ..
Whilst the debates on managers were taking place, I kept seeing you say things like such and such a manager "would get my full backing".
Would it make any difference to anyone at all, least of all a manager, whether or not they received your "full backing"?
Who do you think you are?
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Post by tuum on May 30, 2013 2:15:59 GMT
TP's ability to keep us in the Premier League allowed Coatesy the funds to build a new training ground & to develop the academy. it also allowed us to buy bigger/better players (subjective, I know). Without TP keeping the cash flow rolling via "success" on the pitch, this may never have happened.
You can slag his playing style off & his tactics but you cannot deny that staying in the Premier League was/is instrumental in our growth. Not many managers could have kept us up so comfortably in the first 1-2 years. Don't forget we were forced into championship panic buys in the 1st season because no established Premier League players had any faith in our ability to last one season & wouldn't come to us. TP did a good job for SCFC.
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Post by kitkatkev on May 30, 2013 2:32:29 GMT
How things have changed
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Post by kitkatkev on May 30, 2013 2:43:57 GMT
thanks tony see you in about jan I'm going for August next year. We've been relegated, Denise, John and Richard have lost whatever vague interest they had in the first place now the TV money has dried up. We can't afford Scholes or Cartwright and Phil Rawlins is still not answering his phone in the Florida sunshine. Old Coatsey is once again left holding the baby. He scratches his balding pate and contemplates what to do next, then leans forward and fumbles for his tatty old address book..."now did I file him under 'T' or 'P'?" My guess is it was John who talked PC into getting shot of TP saying he has a new young manager in RDM ready so PC let the little up start have his way and got shot of TP. When PC said to John come on then lets speak to RDM and get it sorted they found out he was not intrested and a few other names were not too intrested either ,So in the end PC had to go for Hughes for stabilty.I bet the petulent prince John dropped king Peter right in it. |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2013 2:52:36 GMT
Thanks Tone
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Post by jonnybravo on May 30, 2013 6:47:00 GMT
Hail Tony. At least he loved this club. Mark Hughes doesn't, or won't, it's just his job. Tony thought he was stoke city he was power mad |
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Post by wuzza on May 30, 2013 6:51:59 GMT
Before history gets re-written and dumb 'theories' become fact it is good to be able to say thanks to a great club man. Thank you Tony, I hope we dont ruin what you have achieved.
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Post by s7oke on May 30, 2013 6:55:13 GMT
Thanks tone for everything
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 30, 2013 8:27:31 GMT
What foundations have been left by Pulis? I'd love to know .... Apart from an established PL Club with outstanding academy and training facilities, doubling of the fan base, European experience, a solid nucleus of players and mst of all pride in our club after years of heartache. No he hasn't left any foundations as he  I was never in either Rimmers or HWS camps so thank TP for his achievements and his love for our club. This love was based on a solid friendship with PC and the fans. There is no reason to believe that Les won't have the same relationship given a chance. |
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Post by wrightspies on May 30, 2013 12:08:28 GMT
Cheers TP
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 30, 2013 12:14:23 GMT
What foundations have been left by Pulis? I'd love to know .... I keep banging on about it, but I have never actually checked whether anyone has ever left the club in a better position? |
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Post by snapper23 on May 30, 2013 12:25:33 GMT
People shouldn't confuse a positive PR attitude with love of the club as opposed to it just being a job
Sent from my GT-I9300 using proboards
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Post by greyman on May 30, 2013 12:28:31 GMT
What foundations have been left by Pulis? I'd love to know .... Apart from an established PL Club with outstanding academy and training facilities, doubling of the fan base, European experience, a solid nucleus of players and mst of all pride in our club after years of heartache. No he hasn't left any foundations as he I was never in either Rimmers or HWS camps so thank TP for his achievements and his love for our club. This love was based on a solid friendship with PC and the fans. There is no reason to believe that Les won't have the same relationship given a chance. It's more complicated than that. It's mad to say he's left no legacy and he is obviously one of the three most successful managers in the club's history. But in terms of legacy, we need to be careful not to rewrite history. The club's infrastructure development has more to do with Peter Coates than Pulis who we know wanted to close the Academy down completely and recently expressed his lack of interest in it on more than one occasion. So you can take that off the list. I don't think he's doubled the fan base. He's just tapped into latent support by achieving promotion. It will go latent again if/when we get relegated. So scrub that. As for the solid nucleus of players, I think serious questions need to be asked about that. We have a squad that is aging and full of holes with little young talent coming through the ranks. That ultimately is what got him the sack. Given the resources at his disposal and the support he's had, it's astonishing that the squad is so creaky. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 30, 2013 12:35:37 GMT
Apart from an established PL Club with outstanding academy and training facilities, doubling of the fan base, European experience, a solid nucleus of players and mst of all pride in our club after years of heartache. No he hasn't left any foundations as he (question) I was never in either Rimmers or HWS camps so thank TP for his achievements and his love for our club. This love was based on a solid friendship with PC and the fans. There is no reason to believe that Les won't have the same relationship given a chance. It's more complicated than that. It's mad to say he's left no legacy and he is obviously one of the three most successful managers in the club's history. But in terms of legacy, we need to be careful not to rewrite history. The club's infrastructure development has more to do with Peter Coates than Pulis who we know wanted to close the Academy down completely and recently expressed his lack of interest in it on more than one occasion. So you can take that off the list. I don't think he's doubled the fan base. He's just tapped into latent support by achieving promotion. It will go latent again if/when we get relegated. So scrub that. As for the solid nucleus of players, I think serious questions need to be asked about that. We have a squad that is aging and full of holes with little young talent coming through the ranks. That ultimately is what got him the sack. Given the resources at his disposal and the support he's had, it's astonishing that the squad is so creaky. Coates has invested cautiously and incrementally. Over revenue but relative to it. Pulis was obviously a massive part of that increase and in Coates feeling of confidence to invest it. Rewrite history if you wish. Coates employed the man to do a job in order to create what he has created. We are now global in name and sound in structure and all the major strides forward through the Pulis years. Coates has now put another man in place to achieve carry on the process and utilise some of that investment better, but it was all put in place in the context of the progress, results and security Pulis provided. |
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Post by generationex on May 30, 2013 12:35:44 GMT
If TP hadn't kept the club in the top flight there would have been no infrastructure investment.
It was money he earned for the club so I think it is his legacy together with PC's.
Our fan base has increased too - the real benefits will probably be seen in 5 - 10 years as a generation of kids destined for glory hunting stay with the club.
The legacy is immense.
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