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Post by salopstick on Jun 1, 2013 0:16:16 GMT
Oh and sunshine
Have I missed any out
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 0:22:31 GMT
It's sad when we can't debate on here with out resorting to name calling and personnel abuse I've never seen Huddy debate it's either Abuse Good post Bollocks post I'm not a socialist Ok I voted for Blair once The riots are beyond my wildest dreams I'm done with you al There is enough there to fashion a debate of sorts from .....it would be repetitive though
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 0:34:46 GMT
There are times when the decent person in you turns up, then there are times like these when you appear to turn into a total twat. You are so much better than this Al.. are you not? Twat? With you it always comes to abuse. I thought you were better than that. I was wrong Read my post properly will you? "appear like" FFS
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 0:36:35 GMT
I've never seen Huddy debate it's either Abuse Good post Bollocks post I'm not a socialist Ok I voted for Blair once The riots are beyond my wildest dreams I'm done with you al There is enough there to fashion a debate of sorts from .....it would be repetitive though Not really Bisph..Al has as usual decided to make it personal, there's no reasoning with him. For the record I am against all forms of extremist violence.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 0:39:24 GMT
I was making a point, seems like you've lost your ability to reason thanks to your animosity towards me. No matter, I'll leave you well alone. I never see your points condemning the muslim extremists as a whole (yes I've looked), infact you continue to justify them. Our previous alliances with saddam and other middle eastern groups No way justifies their future actions. I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 0:40:19 GMT
There is enough there to fashion a debate of sorts from .....it would be repetitive though Not really Bisph..Al has as usual decided to make it personal, there's no reasoning with him. For the record I am against all forms of extremist violence. I jest with you ......no one would advocate violence like that ....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 0:48:30 GMT
Not really Bisph..Al has as usual decided to make it personal, there's no reasoning with him. For the record I am against all forms of extremist violence. I jest with you ......no one would advocate violence like that .... I take your point but it's worrying for me when someone is continually allowed to post lies and falsehoods about me on a public messageboard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 0:53:52 GMT
I never see your points condemning the muslim extremists as a whole (yes I've looked), infact you continue to justify them. Our previous alliances with saddam and other middle eastern groups No way justifies their future actions. I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now. I have to disagree with you on the interference point .....I believe the west has acted in the best interests of the Muslim countries ...their people have suffered terribly in places like Afghanistan under the thumb of regimes like the Taliban ....don't tell me that they wouldn't be better off without the Taliban ....they could live something like a normal life ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 1:02:45 GMT
I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now. I have to disagree with you on the interference point .....I believe the west has acted in the best interests of the Muslim countries ...their people have suffered terribly in places like Afghanistan under the thumb of regimes like the Taliban ....don't tell me that they wouldn't be better off without the Taliban ....they could live something like a normal life ... I question the west's role as the world police, I see no reason apart from economic gain why we should interfere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 1:06:44 GMT
I jest with you ......no one would advocate violence like that .... I take your point but it's worrying for me when someone is continually allowed to post lies and falsehoods about me on a public messageboard. Hmm .... I dislike this sort of thing ...I have to say that I find him Al a decent guy in every respect ....perhaps you have misunderstood him ? ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 1:12:18 GMT
I take your point but it's worrying for me when someone is continually allowed to post lies and falsehoods about me on a public messageboard. Hmm .... I dislike this sort of thing ...I have to say that I find him Al a decent guy in every respect ....perhaps you have misunderstood him ? ... Maybe I have...best to ignore him from now on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 1:15:28 GMT
I have to disagree with you on the interference point .....I believe the west has acted in the best interests of the Muslim countries ...their people have suffered terribly in places like Afghanistan under the thumb of regimes like the Taliban ....don't tell me that they wouldn't be better off without the Taliban ....they could live something like a normal life ... I question the west's role as the world police, I see no reason apart from economic gain why we should interfere. But why ? Some one has to try and see that the world is policed ....who better than the western countries ? Perhaps you think we should withdraw completely and let things take their natural course ? ...that would be a recipe for disaster....sometimes you have to look past your natural cynicism ....if we stood by and watched the disintegration of the east ...what would that make us ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 1:17:44 GMT
Hmm .... I dislike this sort of thing ...I have to say that I find him Al a decent guy in every respect ....perhaps you have misunderstood him ? ... Maybe I have...best to ignore him from now on. You know you won't though .....it just goes on ..
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Post by salopstick on Jun 2, 2013 8:48:49 GMT
I have to disagree with you on the interference point .....I believe the west has acted in the best interests of the Muslim countries ...their people have suffered terribly in places like Afghanistan under the thumb of regimes like the Taliban ....don't tell me that they wouldn't be better off without the Taliban ....they could live something like a normal life ... I question the west's role as the world police, I see no reason apart from economic gain why we should interfere. then you really are not clever. It's a good job we interfered in 1914, 1939. A good job we interfere where people are getting suppressed. A good job we interfere where genocide is taking place. If you don't see murder, genocide, suppression as a good reason then you have no decency at all
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Post by cartman123 on Jun 2, 2013 11:09:23 GMT
I never see your points condemning the muslim extremists as a whole (yes I've looked), infact you continue to justify them. Our previous alliances with saddam and other middle eastern groups No way justifies their future actions. I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now. Hahaha here's Hitchens destroying your exact argument.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 11:53:39 GMT
Someone needs to explain to me why it's ok at one point in history to arm these terrorists then? Because it suited the west at the time...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 11:55:05 GMT
We intervened in 1914 and 1939 for completely different reasons, idiotic in the extreme to suggest they are remotely similar.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 2, 2013 12:18:56 GMT
Idiotic to suggest that the west should never interfere.
The west do far more good than harm and saved millions of lives. A lot more than lost. Ask the Muslims in the Balkans that survived genocide if they were happy for the west intervention
By accident of birth we are British that means we have a better quality of life in this country than others, it's morally right that we help other countries.
We do that with aid and support in conflict. It's not our fault that years down the line the very people we help such as saddam and the Taliban for example turn on us.
If Muslims, red Indians Eskimos or any other race or religion don't like the uk they should go. If they want to organise marches and demonise the uk they should expect retaliation. Right or wrong it doesn't matter but the far right will retaliate
We have done everything to help the Muslim countries and the extremists turn on us. They can fuck off. And to suggest right wing groups feed of confusion of the Islamic extremists is wrong. With out Islamic extremism doing what they want in this country the EDL would have very little support
If the authorities were allowed to clamp down on extremist groups then their would be no EDL. This country is afraid to be British, afraid to be proud of this nation because to do so you get labelled racist. Well I say bollocks.
You can have national pride with out being racist, you can speak out against Islamic extremist with out being racist. You can say if you don't like this country and it ways then fuck off home with out being racist.
There is no place for any extremist in this country on both sides but it is the far right feeding off the inequality of the Muslims that is driving it. When EDL march they get accused of inciting racial hatred the police and authorities need to do the same to every extremist group. Until the authorities clamp down on the Muslims and treat them with the same disdain they do the EDL then nothing will change.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 2, 2013 12:44:36 GMT
I never see your points condemning the muslim extremists as a whole (yes I've looked), infact you continue to justify them. Our previous alliances with saddam and other middle eastern groups No way justifies their future actions. I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now. Mainly agree with this - except to say I believe extremism and Jihad-type thinking is latent in all fundamentalist religions, US Christianity no less than Islam - it just takes a political crisis like being invaded by imperialists who don't know their arse from their elbow and are shocked to be hated to set it off. Does this thread really need to have got quite so personal though? There are some massively larger issues at stake surely and the world is waiting for the Oatie to pronounce on them...
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Post by salopstick on Jun 2, 2013 12:51:06 GMT
I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now. Mainly agree with this - except to say I believe extremism and Jihad-type thinking is latent in all fundamentalist religions, US Christianity no less than Islam - it just takes a political crisis like being invaded by imperialists who don't know their arse from their elbow and are shocked to be hated to set it off. Does this thread really need to have got quite so personal though? There are some massively larger issues at stake surely and the world is waiting for the Oatie to pronounce on them... He cannot help it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 13:16:36 GMT
I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now. Mainly agree with this - except to say I believe extremism and Jihad-type thinking is latent in all fundamentalist religions, US Christianity no less than Islam - it just takes a political crisis like being invaded by imperialists who don't know their arse from their elbow and are shocked to be hated to set it off. Does this thread really need to have got quite so personal though? There are some massively larger issues at stake surely and the world is waiting for the Oatie to pronounce on them... There should never be room for being so personal on these threads .......labelling people as liars , tw*ts, racists and other equally unpleasant names is not the right way to go about things ....abuse on a personal level is distasteful and unnecessary .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 13:32:24 GMT
Mainly agree with this - except to say I believe extremism and Jihad-type thinking is latent in all fundamentalist religions, US Christianity no less than Islam - it just takes a political crisis like being invaded by imperialists who don't know their arse from their elbow and are shocked to be hated to set it off. Does this thread really need to have got quite so personal though? There are some massively larger issues at stake surely and the world is waiting for the Oatie to pronounce on them... There should never be room for being so personal on these threads .......labelling people as liars , tw*ts, racists and other equally unpleasant names is not the right way to go about things ....abuse on a personal level is distasteful and unnecessary . Try telling that to the squaddie from Market Drayton...he can't help himself.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 14:10:48 GMT
I have never justified Muslim extremism...you are a liar. Western interference in Muslim countries IS the main reason why we have problems now. Mainly agree with this - except to say I believe extremism and Jihad-type thinking is latent in all fundamentalist religions, US Christianity no less than Islam - it just takes a political crisis like being invaded by imperialists who don't know their arse from their elbow and are shocked to be hated to set it off. Does this thread really need to have got quite so personal though? There are some massively larger issues at stake surely and the world is waiting for the Oatie to pronounce on them... Fair enough Sal, while we bicker over subjects like this, this government,corporations and friends in high places are laughing at us. That for me is the saddest thing of all.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 2, 2013 14:11:58 GMT
Incidentally, murder, genocide and suppression is something the British have been incredibly good at too.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 2, 2013 14:58:31 GMT
There is enough there to fashion a debate of sorts from .....it would be repetitive though Not really Bisph..Al has as usual decided to make it personal, there's no reasoning with him. For the record I am against all forms of extremist violence. But for violent mindless riots that cause death destruction and heartache in this country. A man of peace our Paul is Actually a hypocrit our Paul is - how can you be against extremist violence whilst for riots and actually happy when it all kicks off
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 2, 2013 15:34:42 GMT
Well some western governments are set to arm the opposition in Syria , as the so call democratic Russians are sending all the arms Assads regime needs to destroy his citizens . It's mostly about strategic interests in the Middle East . The Africans war lords can act with impunity in chad, Rwanda , sierra Leon , Eritrea , and so on
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 15:40:16 GMT
Well some western governments are set to arm the opposition in Syria , as the so call democratic Russians are sending all the arms Assads regime needs to destroy his citizens . It's mostly about strategic interests in the Middle East . The Africans war lords can act with impunity in chad, Rwanda , sierra Leon , Eritrea , and so on Been for a quick stroll H?
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Post by cartman123 on Jun 2, 2013 15:41:56 GMT
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.—Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Huddy is like those peasants who stood by and watched the holocaust happen because it didn't "concern them".
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Post by heavysoul on Jun 2, 2013 15:59:08 GMT
There's nothing positive about Islam. ARGHHHH!!! Just look at the way it treats its people. It's an EVIL religion. And for people defending it, just leave. Just leave this country. We don't need people like you here. The Quran says PLAINLY to KILL all INFIDELS who REJECT ALLAH. You can't take that out context. The quran is littered with violence throughout. This so called prophet Mohammed even RAPED a 9 year old girl; which is why today you have numerous Muslim men abusing little girls. Flush Islam down the drain. Do some proper research before spouting your simple minded shit! Where does it say that the Prophet raped a young girl. If you are referring to asian gangs abusing vulnerable girls, this is terrible but i`m sure that there are white Christians who are doing the same? how many Christian priests have raped young girls and boys i suppose you could class this as being the worlds biggest Paedo ring and the church denying it has happended. Dont blame Muslims for all the vile things in this world!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 16:02:20 GMT
Mainly agree with this - except to say I believe extremism and Jihad-type thinking is latent in all fundamentalist religions, US Christianity no less than Islam - it just takes a political crisis like being invaded by imperialists who don't know their arse from their elbow and are shocked to be hated to set it off. Does this thread really need to have got quite so personal though? There are some massively larger issues at stake surely and the world is waiting for the Oatie to pronounce on them... There should never be room for being so personal on these threads .......labelling people as liars , tw*ts, racists and other equally unpleasant names is not the right way to go about things ....abuse on a personal level is distasteful and unnecessary . It's fun tho
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