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Post by lostinafrenchbar on May 13, 2013 9:38:43 GMT
For me
1) There is no chance in a million years that Benitez will come to Stoke and anyone thinking so is mad.
2) Given the choice between Benitez and a dead hedgehog I'd be happy to nip out and shoot a hedgehog for the cause.
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2013 9:40:07 GMT
Put yourself in the position of Bet365 do you keep a manager like TP who has gained 6 years of premier league football but whose style of football is derided even amongst his own team fans; or do you go for a high profile manager who is also a safe pair of hands but would create more interest in your club and by association your business? Not a difficult business choice to make.
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Post by thesandbankskid on May 13, 2013 9:44:34 GMT
Put yourself in the position of Bet365 do you keep a manager like TP who has gained 6 years of premier league football but whose style of football is derided even amongst his own team fans; or do you go for a high profile manager who is also a safe pair of hands but would create more interest in your club and by association your business? Not a difficult business choice to make. The answer is Sven Eriksson, media love him, public love him, players will sign for him, has contacts all over the globe, he's a great coach & would keep us in this league playing better football. He also has a knack of winning trophies.
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2013 9:45:50 GMT
Find myself agreeing with Geoff for the first time ever. Whoever follows TP will indeed have a massive task ... in getting us back playing decent football and at least attempting to win games. Can't agree with this. I think we possess some good footballers, it's the mid week coaching/training, tactics & managers mentality that is our biggest hindrance. We are all about positioning and set plays and little else, that is because of training/coaching. You've lost me. I dont understand what you are contradicting.
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Post by thesandbankskid on May 13, 2013 9:47:43 GMT
Can't agree with this. I think we possess some good footballers, it's the mid week coaching/training, tactics & managers mentality that is our biggest hindrance. We are all about positioning and set plays and little else, that is because of training/coaching. You've lost me. I dont understand what you are contradicting. You agree that it will be a massive task, I'm saying that we have half a squad of very capable footballers, add the right players to this and imo the transition wouldn't be at all the mountain to climb made out to be.
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2013 9:49:32 GMT
Put yourself in the position of Bet365 do you keep a manager like TP who has gained 6 years of premier league football but whose style of football is derided even amongst his own team fans; or do you go for a high profile manager who is also a safe pair of hands but would create more interest in your club and by association your business? Not a difficult business choice to make. The answer is Sven Eriksson, media love him, public love him, players will sign for him, has contacts all over the globe, he's a great coach & would keep us in this league playing better football. He also has a knack of winning trophies. Of course I would have Sven or Rafa, would be a dream to be in the position to choose between them. Either would attract players and improve our football.
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2013 9:54:57 GMT
Understand your point now Sandbanks. I should have put he "massive" in parenthesis as it was intended sarcastically but this mobile makes typing a little difficult. Don't disagree with your point we do have a good nucleus of players.
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on May 13, 2013 10:22:15 GMT
All this rumour building does my nut in. I'd love to skip forward to the conclusion of it all already.
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Post by philb on May 13, 2013 10:25:34 GMT
Shame we'll have same old, same old next season though.
And that's not to say I don't value continuity, I do - Fergie being the obvious eg but I don't value the wasted opportunity we've now had with TP in charge of the transfers.
We should be so, so much further ahead in our 'project'.
And to think it needs ano shed load of cash throwing at it next season, I can just see more dodgy signings and trouble at mill with Cartwright in the mix if Jan is anything to go by. Agree with regards the dodgy signings, you only have to look at some of the 'Championship' players we're already being linked with its frightening. If Pulis does get sacked it will largely be down to his dodgy signings and wasted money and not his footballing philosophy.
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2013 10:27:19 GMT
All this rumour building does my nut in. I'd love to skip forward to the conclusion of it all already. You can imagine how unsettling this all must be for the players, if what is being posted elsewhere is accurate there is supposed to be a meeting on Thursday but we have been here before. It needs knocking in the head one way or another but that is down to the chairman.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 13, 2013 10:32:28 GMT
If pulis was to go I would take Rafa. As I have said I am not opposed to TP leaving as long as we get better. Some names mentioned are frightening. Who frightens you, Stafford? Neil Lennon fills me with dread!
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 13, 2013 10:37:53 GMT
Find myself agreeing with Geoff for the first time ever. Whoever follows TP will indeed have a massive task ... in getting us back playing decent football and at least attempting to win games. And getting players in who can play decent football. For example, who would Rafa keep if he took over?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 10:41:34 GMT
If pulis was to go I would take Rafa. As I have said I am not opposed to TP leaving as long as we get better. Some names mentioned are frightening. Who frightens you, Stafford? Neil Lennon fills me with dread! Lennon, Sven, HR, Hughes, McLeish, the list goes on!
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Post by jarvinski on May 13, 2013 10:44:46 GMT
Rafa the gaffer, sounds pretty good to me
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2013 10:58:12 GMT
Find myself agreeing with Geoff for the first time ever. Whoever follows TP will indeed have a massive task ... in getting us back playing decent football and at least attempting to win games. And getting players in who can play decent football. For example, who would Rafa keep if he took over? Shawcross and Huth are good enough to adapt, Bego if we could keep him. Nzonzi has talent needs to get his head in the right place. Fitting in Jerome, Cameron, Wilson, Adam, Jones, Kightly, Shea would provide an initial nucleus. He is talking of a two to three year project so the team would need to be augmented initially to provide attacking options whilst maintaining a good defence. Two full backs, two wingers and a striker to be brought in immediately. Would be a good starting point. The massive task would be in changing the mind sets and seeing which players have the natural ability to adapt. Nobody said it would be easy which is why it will be a worthwhile challenge to someone with the talent to achieve it. Probably why I am not the manager!
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on May 13, 2013 11:31:47 GMT
All this rumour building does my nut in. I'd love to skip forward to the conclusion of it all already. You can imagine how unsettling this all must be for the players, if what is being posted elsewhere is accurate there is supposed to be a meeting on Thursday but we have been here before. It needs knocking in the head one way or another but that is down to the chairman. They have a lot of meetings and discussions down at the Stoke if you believe it all. It's a wonder they ever get time to play any football.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 13, 2013 11:34:09 GMT
Rafa Benitez would be a dream appointment. I would be so excited if Benitez came to Stoke that really, I dare not think about.
Fingers crossed.
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Post by thestatusquo on May 13, 2013 11:42:39 GMT
Rafa Benitez would be a dream appointment. I would be so excited if Benitez came to Stoke that really, I dare not think about. Fingers crossed. I agree Dave but much as he'd be a great appointment I really can't see it. He's already mentioned about going abroad which is where I think he'll end up.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 13, 2013 11:49:23 GMT
Would you trust him with a rebuilding job Dave? On paper it's a massive undertaking. Those calling for Sven are verging on the insane though. I'd like Rafa too. What would we have to pay him?
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 13, 2013 11:50:13 GMT
He said he will go abroad if he can't get a job in the UK. He loves our league and wants to manage here given a choice.
He also said his agent is working on it.
I daren't dream it myself either but I honestly think we could be attractive to him. We are close to his Merseyside base, we have decent financial backing and he would be given a project where he would be in charge of the club from first team to academy.
I think the challenge could "float his boat" and I hope that it would. I really hope that it would and it would be a dream come true.
The only problem is that his stock seems to be soaring again and will continue if he wins the Europa League on the back of Champions League qualification at the weekend. Can we dream? I hope so!
EDIT - Jimmy - Are you asking if I'd trust Rafa with a rebuilding job? If so, absolutely I would. I think he would be perfect. Clearly he is a very good coach who can improve players performances, he is pragmatic enough to do a job anywhere and he seems to be negative and baffling in equal measure at times, which means he should be a good transition from our current incumbent as opposed to the wholesale change that someone like Poyet would be.
As I say, I daren't even dream!
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Post by geoff321 on May 13, 2013 11:53:50 GMT
I would be amazed if he came to Stoke. If he did, it would be to use them, until a better offer came along.
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Post by Davef on May 13, 2013 11:54:22 GMT
Well Rafa Benitez certainly isn't going to get a top job in this country is he? That's not a reflection on his ability, just a fact ( ). So, in terms of a job where he can build a team that leaves Everton (not sure their fans would like that!), and possibly the likes of Fulham, Newcastle and maybe us. I think his next job will be abroad myself.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 13, 2013 11:54:31 GMT
Dave, it's good to see you so positive. I was getting worried about your state of mind!!!
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Post by Davef on May 13, 2013 11:54:49 GMT
I would be amazed if he came to Stoke. If he did, it would be to use them, until a better offer came along. Go away.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 13, 2013 12:04:24 GMT
For me 1) There is no chance in a million years that Benitez will come to Stoke and anyone thinking so is mad.
2) Given the choice between Benitez and a dead hedgehog I'd be happy to nip out and shoot a hedgehog for the cause. Why? He's said that he doesn't want to go abroad and wants to stay in the UK - his family home is just up the road from us. He's also been very SPECIFIC in accepting that he might not be able to land a job with one of the top clubs, however he would be interested in a project to build something over a few years. What do you think he's suggesting in this instance then? Not saying he would definitely come here but I don't see how you can be so sure he won't, especially in light of this interview.
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Post by rorymscfc on May 13, 2013 12:04:30 GMT
I think you have to start by looking at the clubs who are likely to be looking for new managers next season:
Will almost certainly not be changing manager:
Man Utd Spurs Liverpool WBA Swansea West Ham Southampton Fulham Villa Sunderland Hull Cardiff (unless Malky Mackay goes to Everton) 3rd promoted team
2. Unlikely to change manager but possible:
Arsenal (lots of media speculation about Wenger - but isn't there always?) Newcastle Norwich
3. Likely to need a new manager:
Man City (but they seem to have done a deal with Pellegrini)
4. Definitely need a new manager:
Chelsea (But obviously won't be appointing Rafa!) Everton
Looking at that list I can't really see that Rafa has very many options if staying in England is as much of a priority as he seems to indicate.
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Post by thesandbankskid on May 13, 2013 12:09:15 GMT
Who frightens you, Stafford? Neil Lennon fills me with dread! Lennon, Sven, HR, Hughes, McLeish, the list goes on! I can see your reasoning for everybody in that last but not Sven? Why do you think Sven is a bad suggestion? he aswell imo is very achievable.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2013 12:14:53 GMT
When push comes to shove, I still can't see him getting a top club in Europe.
So we'd have to be in the running depending on how much stock he puts in his family being settled on the Wirral.
If he got an amazing opportunity in Europe, he'd probably uproot them if it meant getting the gig in somewhere like Paris or Madrid, or even a genuinely big club in Germany or a Seville/Valencia/Malaga.
Short of that and being able to live with his family where they've been for a decade has got to be a bit of a temptation. And we're going to be absolutely as good as it gets in England.
Newcastle could be a rival, but it's not really commutable, is it?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 12:16:27 GMT
Could this be Stoke ???? I would take him (dont think pulis will go though) I would be ecstatic
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Post by thesandbankskid on May 13, 2013 12:17:17 GMT
When push comes to shove, I still can't see him getting a top club in Europe. So we'd have to be in the running depending on how much stock he puts in his family being settled on the Wirral. If he got an amazing opportunity in Europe, he'd probably uproot them if it meant getting the gig in somewhere like Paris or Madrid, or even a genuinely big club in Germany or a Seville/Valencia/Malaga. Short of that and being able to live with his family where they've been for a decade has got to be a bit of a temptation. And we're going to be absolutely as good as it gets in England. Newcastle could be a rival, but it's not really commutable, is it? Anything is by Helicopter, Owen did it.
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