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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:13:29 GMT
Change for the sake of it Rob. I think there should be a change in manager, but I am predicting what a man approaching 80 years of age will do when I am approaching the same landmark. I'm also thinking of the most recent statements to come out of the club. I sense they are preparing us for this sort of announcement. They seem to be preparing the ground for an altogether bigger change march, involving the manager. That's not the way I am reading it Rob And again I will place on the record my belief that TP should not be our manager once the season is over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 19:24:49 GMT
In my opinion rob , I think Coates is too calculated to gamble on giving him the chop ! I think he will give him another year , I just haven't seen enough compelling evidence to the contrary rob ! The chairman could come out and state unequivocally that TP will be the manager next season. He hasn't. The academy and Cartwright projects are both decidedly un-Pulis like and seem to have been the source of friction already. Is Pulis really going to be able to work with that? He's the most stubborn, hands-on manager in the league, why is he suddenly going to be happy to have his hand held over transfers? Is Coates really going to hand over another wodge of cash after the last two disastrous summers? The signs are pointing to him going.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 30, 2013 19:35:33 GMT
If you consider Benitez and Di Matteo low risk then i'd go with either of them. However in the more likely scenario of no change in manager I'd talk to Pulis about his transfer targets and suggest wingers and fullbacks. and not give him any money for anyone else until he has purchased those players
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:36:56 GMT
If you consider Benitez and Di Matteo low risk then i'd go with either of them. However in the more likely scenario of no change in manager I'd talk to Pulis about his transfer targets and suggest wingers and fullbacks. and not give him any money for anyone else until he has purchased those players Not even a centre back JSU. That's just cruel
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Post by spongebobflathead on Apr 30, 2013 19:38:46 GMT
Your first point rob is In all honesty just grasping at straws , on the flip side if he came out and backed him its just a confirmation that he's indeed under pressure , you know yourself rob that certain chairman just don't feel the need to justify that sort of thing ,I think Coates is one ! Sorry rob but I think your putting way too much emphasis on what the chairman hasn't said !
Your second one is a challenging one to be fair , pulis has never been a fan of the academy but Coates has carried on regardless. , I just think there is a middle ground where pulis will just have to accept it , maybe with other personell at the academy !
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 30, 2013 19:39:14 GMT
and not give him any money for anyone else until he has purchased those players Not even a centre back JSU. That's just cruel Not even a centre back, its going to be an interesting few months whatever happens
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:39:42 GMT
In my opinion rob , I think Coates is too calculated to gamble on giving him the chop ! I think he will give him another year , I just haven't seen enough compelling evidence to the contrary rob ! The chairman could come out and state unequivocally that TP will be the manager next season. He hasn't. The academy and Cartwright projects are both decidedly un-Pulis like and seem to have been the source of friction already. Is Pulis really going to be able to work with that? He's the most stubborn, hands-on manager in the league, why is he suddenly going to be happy to have his hand held over transfers? Is Coates really going to hand over another wodge of cash after the last two disastrous summers? The signs are pointing to him going. Coates was never going to make such a statement Rob because it is akin to a 'vote of confidence'. He is far too experienced as a Chairman to do such a thing. I suspect Mr Cartwright will be one of those to leave in the summer.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 30, 2013 19:40:22 GMT
Why don't you think PC has put the Pulis issue unequivocally to bed, March?
Seems pretty straightforward to say you're going to back the decade-long status quo?
It seems at least there's real issues to be discussed = and they may yet prove insurmountable (if the decision really hasn't been taken yet?)
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:43:27 GMT
Not even a centre back JSU. That's just cruel Not even a centre back, its going to be an interesting few months whatever happens Very, very interesting. Do you detect the club are circling the wagons at the moment? I feel as though the mood has changed. You are closer to some of the players than most posters but isn't it true that certain players are expressing full support for their manager just to complicate matters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 19:44:14 GMT
The chairman could come out and state unequivocally that TP will be the manager next season. He hasn't. The academy and Cartwright projects are both decidedly un-Pulis like and seem to have been the source of friction already. Is Pulis really going to be able to work with that? He's the most stubborn, hands-on manager in the league, why is he suddenly going to be happy to have his hand held over transfers? Is Coates really going to hand over another wodge of cash after the last two disastrous summers? The signs are pointing to him going. Coates was never going to make such a statement Rob because it is akin to a 'vote of confidence'. He is far too experienced as a Chairman to do such a thing. I suspect Mr Cartwright will be one of those to leave in the summer. Despite their reputation, votes of confidence are usually just that. Such a statement would end any speculation about the manager's future in the short term even if it wasn't a popular decision. It could all be put to bed. Why do you think Cartwright's going to go? That would be a huge embarrassment to the club when he's only been there a matter of months. He was brought in for a reason.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 30, 2013 19:45:07 GMT
The chairman could come out and state unequivocally that TP will be the manager next season. He hasn't. The academy and Cartwright projects are both decidedly un-Pulis like and seem to have been the source of friction already. Is Pulis really going to be able to work with that? He's the most stubborn, hands-on manager in the league, why is he suddenly going to be happy to have his hand held over transfers? Is Coates really going to hand over another wodge of cash after the last two disastrous summers? The signs are pointing to him going. Coates was never going to make such a statement Rob because it is akin to a 'vote of confidence'. He is far too experienced as a Chairman to do such a thing. I suspect Mr Cartwright will be one of those to leave in the summer. The ramifications of the Cartwright appointment were surely talked through before his appointment though. Can't see a backtracking and a return to our dark age purchasing policy this early. If he has clipped TP's wings, surely that was intentional. Presumably Cartwright has his powerful backers somewhere too?
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:47:51 GMT
Why don't you think PC has put the Pulis issue unequivocally to bed, March? Seems pretty straightforward to say you're going to back the decade-long status quo? It seems at least there's real issues to be discussed = and they may yet prove insurmountable (if the decision really hasn't been taken yet?) I don't think he knows how to. A 'vote of confidence' simply heightens speculation. If he said TP was defo going then it could give some players an excuse to go on 'holiday' 3 games early. It's best to stonewall at the moment and make announcements in June.
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:49:50 GMT
Coates was never going to make such a statement Rob because it is akin to a 'vote of confidence'. He is far too experienced as a Chairman to do such a thing. I suspect Mr Cartwright will be one of those to leave in the summer. The ramifications of the Cartwright appointment were surely talked through before his appointment though. Can't see a backtracking and a return to our dark age purchasing policy this early. If he has clipped TP's wings, surely that was intentional. Presumably Cartwright has his powerful backers somewhere too? No one is better at inclub politics than TP. Cartwright might as well have started clearing his desk on 1st Feb. If (big if) TP stays, Cartwright will be out of the door.
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:52:15 GMT
Coates was never going to make such a statement Rob because it is akin to a 'vote of confidence'. He is far too experienced as a Chairman to do such a thing. I suspect Mr Cartwright will be one of those to leave in the summer. Despite their reputation, votes of confidence are usually just that. Such a statement would end any speculation about the manager's future in the short term even if it wasn't a popular decision. It could all be put to bed. Why do you think Cartwright's going to go? That would be a huge embarrassment to the club when he's only been there a matter of months. He was brought in for a reason. TP is going to be blaming someone behind closed doors for our dramatic drop in form. We know him well enough to absolve all responsibility for himself. So what has changed since those first 4 seasons in the Prem? - Step forward the fall guy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 19:54:30 GMT
If pulis stays? Coatesy: so Tony, i hope you thought about what we said, about you changing your approach, looking further and wider for some good footballers, buying proper full backs and wingers. what full backs do you have in mind? TP: Scott Dann, Clint Hill Coatesy: Fucking hell Tony, FULL BACKS! TP: Ok, at a push maybe we could bring in Phil Bardsley or Stephen Ward. Sunderland only want 5 million for Bardsley Coatesy: and any forwards in mind Tony? TP: Carlton Cole is on a free and Harry only wants 10 million for Bobby zamora. Coatesy: You haven't actually scouted any new players have you Tony? TP: No, but can i just take this opportunity to tell you how great I think you are, and how amazing your family is?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 19:54:55 GMT
Despite their reputation, votes of confidence are usually just that. Such a statement would end any speculation about the manager's future in the short term even if it wasn't a popular decision. It could all be put to bed. Why do you think Cartwright's going to go? That would be a huge embarrassment to the club when he's only been there a matter of months. He was brought in for a reason. TP is going to be blaming someone behind closed doors for our dramatic drop in form. We know him well enough to absolve all responsibility for himself. So what has changed since those first 4 seasons in the Prem? - Step forward the fall guy. Pulis might well say all that. Why is anybody with a pair of eyes going to believe him? Cartwright's very appointment is proof that TP's credit isn't what it was.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 30, 2013 19:55:05 GMT
Presumably, in practice, Cartwright has had some real power given to him?
He must have if TP is so narked by his presence.
If he has been given such power, someone must've felt it was power that needed to be given to someone else?
Regardless of the fact that this led to fireworks in January, would they really disband the new system this early?
As much as he has a personal loyalty to TP the man, if he is a hurdle to the smooth operation of this two-tiered system and Academy focus working, surely he will be removed from the equation - especially if it's no longer a PC-only decision-making team?
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 19:56:15 GMT
If pulis stays? Coatesy: so Tony, i hope you thought about what we said, about you changing your approach, looking further and wider for some good footballers, buying proper full backs and wingers. what full backs do you have in mind? TP: Scott Dann, Clint Hill Coatesy: Fucking hell Tony, FULL BACKS! TP: Ok, at a push maybe we could bring in Phil Bardsley or Stephen Ward. Sunderland only want 5 million for Bardsley Coatesy: and any forwards in mind Tony? TP: Carlton Cole is on a free and Harry only wants 10 million for Bobby zamora. Coatesy: You haven't actually scouted any new players have you Tony? TP: No, but can i just take this opportunity to tell you how great I think you are, and how amazing your family is? Many a true word spoken in jest!
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 30, 2013 19:59:13 GMT
The ramifications of the Cartwright appointment were surely talked through before his appointment though. Can't see a backtracking and a return to our dark age purchasing policy this early. If he has clipped TP's wings, surely that was intentional. Presumably Cartwright has his powerful backers somewhere too? No one is better at inclub politics than TP. Cartwright might as well have started clearing his desk on 1st Feb. If (big if) TP stays, Cartwright will be out of the door. Not a chance there March, i afraid you misjudge why he was brought in.
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 20:00:32 GMT
TP is going to be blaming someone behind closed doors for our dramatic drop in form. We know him well enough to absolve all responsibility for himself. So what has changed since those first 4 seasons in the Prem? - Step forward the fall guy. Pulis might well say all that. Why is anybody with a pair of eyes going to believe him? Cartwright's very appointment is proof that TP's credit isn't what it was. Who was TP complaining about on 1st Feb for making a bodge of deadline day while TP was at Wembley? When asked about our poor form TP went straight back to those failings as an excuse. Someone is in the firing line and TP is not the sort of person to cross. If it isn't Cartwright TP is shouting his mouth off about then who is it?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 30, 2013 20:01:12 GMT
To quote Alan Nixon on twitter...
deffo been some nonsense behind scenes. Too many politicians. Stories have been leaked from within. Games being played. Pity. More worrying leaks come from other areas within club. Need to get problems addressed and see who 'wins' or if the camps carry on working way it is. Other issues. Recruitment been a problem. Don't think TP signed some of them.
If this is remotely true, surely one camp will be removed from the club?
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 20:01:32 GMT
No one is better at inclub politics than TP. Cartwright might as well have started clearing his desk on 1st Feb. If (big if) TP stays, Cartwright will be out of the door. Not a chance there March, i afraid you misjudge why he was brought in. You can't leave it like that, JSU. Tell us more.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 30, 2013 20:01:48 GMT
Pulis might well say all that. Why is anybody with a pair of eyes going to believe him? Cartwright's very appointment is proof that TP's credit isn't what it was. Who was TP complaining about on 1st Feb for making a bodge of deadline day while TP was at Wembley? When asked about our poor form TP went straight back to those failings as an excuse. Someone is in the firing line and TP is not the sort of person to cross. If it isn't Cartwright TP is shouting his mouth off about then who is it? The Chief Executive
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 20:02:30 GMT
To quote Alan Nixon on twitter... deffo been some nonsense behind scenes. Too many politicians. Stories have been leaked from within. Games being played. Pity. More worrying leaks come from other areas within club. Need to get problems addressed and see who 'wins' or if the camps carry on working way it is. Other issues. Recruitment been a problem. Don't think TP signed some of them.
If this is remotely true, surely one camp will be removed from the club? Again, if that's not about Cartwright, who is it about???
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 20:03:40 GMT
Who was TP complaining about on 1st Feb for making a bodge of deadline day while TP was at Wembley? When asked about our poor form TP went straight back to those failings as an excuse. Someone is in the firing line and TP is not the sort of person to cross. If it isn't Cartwright TP is shouting his mouth off about then who is it? The Chief Executive Do you care to elaborate. There is only us two here, no one else will know who let things out of the bag!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 20:04:13 GMT
Pulis might well say all that. Why is anybody with a pair of eyes going to believe him? Cartwright's very appointment is proof that TP's credit isn't what it was. Who was TP complaining about on 1st Feb for making a bodge of deadline day while TP was at Wembley? When asked about our poor form TP went straight back to those failings as an excuse. Someone is in the firing line and TP is not the sort of person to cross. If it isn't Cartwright TP is shouting his mouth off about then who is it? I never said he wasn't talking about him march. That doesn't address literally anything I mention in the post of mine you quoted.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 30, 2013 20:06:21 GMT
So the rumours of Scholes going to the US may have some foundation?
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 30, 2013 20:07:09 GMT
Do you care to elaborate. There is only us two here, no one else will know who let things out of the bag! No controversy in what i say, but its the chief exec who has the last say on a transfer going through and advises the chairman.
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 20:08:57 GMT
Who was TP complaining about on 1st Feb for making a bodge of deadline day while TP was at Wembley? When asked about our poor form TP went straight back to those failings as an excuse. Someone is in the firing line and TP is not the sort of person to cross. If it isn't Cartwright TP is shouting his mouth off about then who is it? I never said he wasn't talking about him march. That doesn't address literally anything I mention in the post of mine you quoted. Rob, I think we can be certain that there are two schools of thought behind the scenes. Let us assume that TP firmly belongs in one camp, who do you suppose makes up the opposing faction (this isn't one of my loaded questions - I am just trying to find out from you and JSU how things are stacking up). It is still for the best if TP goes.
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2013 20:12:25 GMT
Do you care to elaborate. There is only us two here, no one else will know who let things out of the bag! No controversy in what i say, but its the chief exec who has the last say on a transfer going through and advises the chairman. Is that where the deals fell down? The distinct impression I got was that it didn't get that far. What is the 'relationship' like between TP and Scholes? I thought they had learned to tolerate each other. Of course, if TP wasn't such an irascible character none of this would be worthy of questioning.
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