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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 29, 2013 11:19:41 GMT
It's a head scratcher mate isn't it? To be honest mate I'm no professional footballer, but I could put the ball near enough on someones head from 50 yards pretty much every time. It's not that difficult. EDIT: By that I mean, every player from the Conference + could near enough do what Ryan does. I'm not convinced, mate. We've seen plenty worse at it and Ryan doesn't do too bad for me. I'm convinced he could make the short passes these more revered defenders make at other clubs but he is instructed not to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 11:22:40 GMT
Ryan wouldn't even be in the team, let alone Captain, if he didn't carry out TP's instructions to the very last detail.
It's his way or the highway.
I'm pretty sure Ryan could pass it 10 yards on the deck to his full back if he wanted.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 29, 2013 11:24:30 GMT
You only have to look at the pre match warm up to see what Ryan is told to do.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 29, 2013 12:08:19 GMT
Ryan wouldn't even be in the team, let alone Captain, if he didn't carry out TP's instructions to the very last detail. It's his way or the highway. I'm pretty sure Ryan could pass it 10 yards on the deck to his full back if he wanted. I believe that you are absolutely right WD and I have to admit to finding it absolutely amazing that so many others seemingly fail to see this most obvious of facts. Our players are programmed not to play from instinct and often play against their natural instincts in my opinion. The only player to truly be allowed to play on instinct was Ricardo Fuller and he more than merited that opportunity, even for TP. Anyone else who has tried to approach games in this way has been bombed out. Patrick Berger, Tuncay, Beattie, Adam, KJ and even Jerome to a lesser extent have all been marginalised for having the audacity to not carry out instructions to the absolute letter. Watch TP on the touch line. He micro manages almost every single situation whilst the game is going on. He tells players where to stand on free kicks, tells them who should take free-kicks in certain situations, tells them what free-kick to take and bollocks them if they don't do as they are told. He has never been any different. The players are well-drilled, so much so that their natural instincts rarely even show anymore but at times they do. I will give you some incidents from Saturday alone. 1) Begovic had the opportunity to throw the ball out on at least 4 or 5 occasions on Saturday. He didn't throw it once. The thought didn't cross his mind but on the one opportunity where his instincts got the better of him, he almost threw himself off his feet trying to stop himself throwing the ball having gone to do so (throw out to Adam in second half). 2) Shawcross plays that long diagonal ball to instruction almost every time he gets it. On the odd occasion that he doesn't, he is invariably bollocked by TP on the line. On Saturday, he played to instruction other than one occasion where Asmir got the ball, Ryan sprinted wide to take the ball off the keeper only for Pulis to bellow at him to get central and get up the pitch. 3) At the end of the game, Norwich had a throw in deep inside their own half. Shotton pushed forward from a left back position attempting to "box them in". That was what his instincts told him to do. Pulis bollocked him then Ryan bollocked him and he retreated 20 yards in the process, allowing them an easy escape from deep in their half. Our players, to a man, are capable of passing the ball given the opportunity to do so. They are hamstrung by the rigidity of the system and by having their natural instincts quashed to such an extent that for the most part, football wise, they are all robots. Those that aren't, get sidelined. Ryan Shawcross would not have come through the ranks as he did at Manure and have Fergie saying he regretted selling him, were he not able to pass a football. He can but his natural instincts have been knocked out of him slowly but surely. Pulis will take great credit in helping Ryan develop into the player he is but it is my opinion, that he could be so much better than he is allowed to show us and in some respects, I can't help but feel that Pulis and Stoke City are holding the lad back. Going on to my original post on this matter, I hope his quick exit at the final whistle wasn't evidence of Ryan feeling a bit the same.
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Post by chell_rosey on Apr 29, 2013 12:19:31 GMT
Or...could TP have had a chat with Ryan and let slip he's leaving and blamed it on fan pressure? Would imagine Ryan being pretty upset at that.
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Post by ihaveadream on Apr 29, 2013 12:40:53 GMT
Short of bogroll in the gents? Perhaps he wanted to get there before it ran out.
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 29, 2013 15:08:42 GMT
To be honest mate I'm no professional footballer, but I could put the ball near enough on someones head from 50 yards pretty much every time. It's not that difficult. EDIT: By that I mean, every player from the Conference + could near enough do what Ryan does. I'm not convinced, mate. We've seen plenty worse at it and Ryan doesn't do too bad for me. I'm convinced he could make the short passes these more revered defenders make at other clubs but he is instructed not to. I agree he's pretty decent at it, but they aren't exactly pinpoint passes onto a runner, straight into his stride, it's hitting a general area again and again. I agree with the second part of your post, I think he can too, personally I think the team is a lot better footballing wise than we are led to believe from watching them, it's not that we can't pass and hold on to the ball, we just aren't set up to do it as TP doesn't see it as important, add to that we obviously don't spent a lot of time training on those things, and that's why we see what we see (and why I've argued that technical players gradually become less effective at Stoke).
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