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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 28, 2013 10:11:41 GMT
wasnt it his long ball which led to our goal Indeed. And for a lad who can't distribute the ball he managed to fluke plenty straight onto Crouch's head from 60 odd yards. Hope he brought a lottery ticket last night if he's that lucky. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 28, 2013 10:16:13 GMT
An England international, will he be picked in squads for major tournaments in the future? Probably not. International football selections are fickle and the loudest voices in football on message boards are, in general, pig ignorant. How very true. |
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Post by stayingupforalasrimmed on Apr 28, 2013 10:18:08 GMT
Anyone observe Ryan Shawcross' actions at the end of today's game? It may be me, but Ryan is always one of the last to leave the pitch at the end of the game, having walked to the half way line, shaken hands with the officials, he ALWAYS approaches the Boothen End to applaud the supporters. In all his years with us I have never once seen him not do this. Today, as soon as the final whistle sounded, he sprinted down the tunnel. He didn't shake hands with anyone, didn't congratulate his team-mates or acknowledge the officials. Just straight down the tunnel. Hopefully, he had a dodgy tummy and needed a shit but I wondered if he has become a little tetchy with the crowd as the audible groans when he launches yet another long ball in the direction of no-one in particular are seemingly becoming louder each week? It was very strange to see from our Skipper. Anyone else notice this? I take it you didn't make it back to your seat in time to groan as he launched yet another long ball in the direction of no-one in particular to set up the goal? |
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Post by armitagestokie on Apr 28, 2013 11:01:48 GMT
Ryan had a poor game today, his distribution from the back is poor but think TP tells him what to do,would like him to receive ball from Bego more often so he can learn to play it out of defence.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 28, 2013 11:10:25 GMT
Ryan had a poor game today, his distribution from the back is poor but think TP tells him what to do,would like him to receive ball from Bego more often so he can learn to play it out of defence. See I'm not sure about this because Crouch won loads of headers from balls played by Ryan. He can't be that bad at it (especially yesterday) if the forwards are winning headers they are at worst fairly accurate surely? |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 28, 2013 11:13:08 GMT
Ryan had a poor game today, his distribution from the back is poor but think TP tells him what to do,would like him to receive ball from Bego more often so he can learn to play it out of defence. See I'm not sure about this because Crouch won loads of headers from balls played by Ryan. He can't be that bad at it (especially yesterday) if the forwards are winning headers they are at worst fairly accurate surely? It's the 'Danny Collins has superior distribution because Danny Higginbotham plays pin point 50 yard balls right onto the head of the target man' argument again. It staggers me. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 28, 2013 11:14:16 GMT
See I'm not sure about this because Crouch won loads of headers from balls played by Ryan. He can't be that bad at it (especially yesterday) if the forwards are winning headers they are at worst fairly accurate surely? It's the 'Danny Collins has superior distribution because Danny Higginbotham plays pin point 50 yard balls right onto the head of the target man' argument again. It staggers me. It's a head scratcher mate isn't it? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 28, 2013 11:35:31 GMT
Norwich didn't have a single shot on goal yesterday and some of you attack our central defenders! Saying Shawcross had a bad game etc! Some of you are really a disgrace as supporters, and would probably complain even if we won the league because we didn't win it in the right way!!!
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 28, 2013 11:52:17 GMT
Ryan had a poor game today, his distribution from the back is poor but think TP tells him what to do,would like him to receive ball from Bego more often so he can learn to play it out of defence. See I'm not sure about this because Crouch won loads of headers from balls played by Ryan. He can't be that bad at it (especially yesterday) if the forwards are winning headers they are at worst fairly accurate surely? Ad it was Ryans ball to Crouch that was headed on for Adam to score. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 13:15:28 GMT
Ryan is a fantastic defender and has been a great player for us. One of the main reasons he signed a new contract was because of Pulis. Perhaps its not beyond belief that he is a trifle pissed off at Pulis' treatment and some of the moan and groans at his continuous up field punts. Is he being told to distribute like that, most probably. His confidence has been rocked during this bad run and in my opinion since he won that England cap and got done by that wonder goal. However one of his upfield punts/passes led to the winning goal today. He is the captain and should of applauded the fans but surely we can let him off with yesterday? Come next season Ryan will be back to his very best. I have every faith in the lad. He's just strggled for a bit of form and confidence as a lot of player have. Finally I'm not entirely sure he is captain material but thats not my decision to make. Just to clarify as well...My intention with the opening post wasn't to criticise Ryan for disappearing at the end of the game either. It was quite simply that it was so "out of character" for him to do so that it seemed strange. As I alluded to, hopefully he had a dicky tummy and needed a shit but still, it was odd to see from our captain and very unusual. There was absolutely no criticism of Ryan intended. He had a very good game yesterday and I remain of the opinion that I've always had, Ryan Shawcross is massively underrated as both a player and a captain. It will be a very sad day when he leaves the club (as it was with Ric and Rory) and we probably won't realise just how good he is until he is no longer here. I know there was no critcism mate and indeed it was out of character for Ryan to do that. I suspect he probably can't wait for the end of the season to come inside. I personally can't wait to see it end either so we can regroup, plan and sort things out. I think the majority of us agree theres a hell of a lot of sorting to do. Massive summer ahead where we have to get our decisions right because the writing is on the wall for next term if we don't. Perhaps and this is just reallyt an assumption with no foundation that Ryan knows Pulis is off at the end of the season and its unsettling him a bit. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2013 16:10:29 GMT
Anyone observe Ryan Shawcross' actions at the end of today's game? It may be me, but Ryan is always one of the last to leave the pitch at the end of the game, having walked to the half way line, shaken hands with the officials, he ALWAYS approaches the Boothen End to applaud the supporters. In all his years with us I have never once seen him not do this. Today, as soon as the final whistle sounded, he sprinted down the tunnel. He didn't shake hands with anyone, didn't congratulate his team-mates or acknowledge the officials. Just straight down the tunnel. Hopefully, he had a dodgy tummy and needed a shit but I wondered if he has become a little tetchy with the crowd as the audible groans when he launches yet another long ball in the direction of no-one in particular are seemingly becoming louder each week? It was very strange to see from our Skipper. Anyone else notice this? I take it you didn't make it back to your seat in time to groan as he launched yet another long ball in the direction of no-one in particular to set up the goal? You have totally missed the purpose of this thread, which in some respects doesn't really surprise me. I wasn't criticising Ryan in any way, shape or form and you can't but fail to have noticed that almost every time he launched the ball hopelessly, certain sections of the crowd (not me I might add) were audible in their moans. My thread was highlighting what happened at the end of the game, hoping that I had missed him shaking hands with others or not seen properly because the last thing I would want is for Ryan to feel unloved and unappreciated and subsequently be more receptive to the prospect of a move. Seemingly, in light of his Mrs/Wife's tweet, there may be something more to his prompt disappearance than I had hoped for. As I mentioned in the opening post, I had been hoping it was nothing more than him being desperate to take a shit. Why I felt the need to clarify this again, I am not so sure but hopefully it clarifies my thought process. As for you stupid attempt at an infantile dig, I am pleased to confirm that I was firmly entrenched in my seat watching the game and saw the long ball that led to the goal and the subsequent finish from Charlie Adam which was excellent. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 28, 2013 16:15:28 GMT
I noticed this too, also n'zonzi (you know the sulky, mardarse, French, mercenary twat) was one of the first too run over to applaud the fans, maybe shawcross was just disappointed with himself as he had another poor game IMO.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Apr 28, 2013 16:24:11 GMT
There was moment yesterday when Ryan was on the ball with time to play - he shaped to pass out wide and forward (Shotton I think) then suddenly changed his mind and launched it forward over everybody and out for a goalkick. I think TP must have shouted to him. It was poor play to say the least.
However Ryan is perfect for us. He is a genuine premiership standard defender but maybe not quite good enough to attract a really top team. Hopefully this means he will be with us for a good few years yet. His hoofs exasperate me like many others but I am grateful he is in our team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 16:32:35 GMT
There was moment yesterday when Ryan was on the ball with time to play - he shaped to pass out wide and forward (Shotton I think) then suddenly changed his mind and launched it forward over everybody and out for a goalkick. I think TP must have shouted to him. It was poor play to say the least. However Ryan is perfect for us. He is a genuine premiership standard defender but maybe not quite good enough to attract a really top team. Hopefully this means he will be with us for a good few years yet. His hoofs exasperate me like many others but I am grateful he is in our team. IMO he is plenty good enough for a top team, unfortunately he plays under a manager that is stifling his natural ability. He has the potential to be a very good footballer as well as a top defender. If TP does go and someone like Poyet takes over just watch him blossom. |
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Post by lee1982 on Apr 28, 2013 16:42:13 GMT
The thing that puzzles me is that we often criticise our ' cage ' for being on virtually on the toes of our centre halfs, so why can't Ryan play a simple pass to a player who is more comfortable on the ball. He's great at what he does as an out and out defender but his composure is shocking. Time and time again I see him launch a header straight back where it came from when he has time to bring the ball down and have a look. This may be under instruction who knows, Abdoulaye may have given us a few hearts in mouths moments at times trying to dribble past strikers but he was far more composed than either Shawcross or Huth when in possesion
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 28, 2013 16:53:24 GMT
The thing that puzzles me is that we often criticise our ' cage ' for being on virtually on the toes of our centre halfs, so why can't Ryan play a simple pass to a player who is more comfortable on the ball. He's great at what he does as an out and out defender but his composure is shocking. Time and time again I see him launch a header straight back where it came from when he has time to bring the ball down and have a look. This may be under instruction who knows, Abdoulaye may have given us a few hearts in mouths moments at times trying to dribble past strikers but he was far more composed than either Shawcross or Huth when in possesion Thing is, Abdy did the flash bit and then twatted it. I don't really see the difference, if they're told to smack it how they come to that point is irrelevant really. |
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Apr 28, 2013 16:58:04 GMT
There was moment yesterday when Ryan was on the ball with time to play - he shaped to pass out wide and forward (Shotton I think) then suddenly changed his mind and launched it forward over everybody and out for a goalkick. I think TP must have shouted to him. It was poor play to say the least. However Ryan is perfect for us. He is a genuine premiership standard defender but maybe not quite good enough to attract a really top team. Hopefully this means he will be with us for a good few years yet. His hoofs exasperate me like many others but I am grateful he is in our team. IMO he is plenty good enough for a top team, unfortunately he plays under a manager that is stifling his natural ability. He has the potential to be a very good footballer as well as a top defender. If TP does go and someone like Poyet takes over just watch him blossom. I wouldn't argue with that, you may well be right - I just hope he stays with us. |
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Post by jbstokie on Apr 28, 2013 16:59:19 GMT
The thing that puzzles me is that we often criticise our ' cage ' for being on virtually on the toes of our centre halfs, so why can't Ryan play a simple pass to a player who is more comfortable on the ball. He's great at what he does as an out and out defender but his composure is shocking. Time and time again I see him launch a header straight back where it came from when he has time to bring the ball down and have a look. This may be under instruction who knows, Abdoulaye may have given us a few hearts in mouths moments at times trying to dribble past strikers but he was far more composed than either Shawcross or Huth when in possesion Thing is, Abdy did the flash bit and then twatted it. I don't really see the difference, if they're told to smack it how they come to that point is irrelevant really. Exactly its the same as when teams pass to a defender from a goal kick only for the defender to be put under pressure and force either the goalkeeper or the defender into a hoof. |
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Post by lee1982 on Apr 28, 2013 17:42:31 GMT
The thing that puzzles me is that we often criticise our ' cage ' for being on virtually on the toes of our centre halfs, so why can't Ryan play a simple pass to a player who is more comfortable on the ball. He's great at what he does as an out and out defender but his composure is shocking. Time and time again I see him launch a header straight back where it came from when he has time to bring the ball down and have a look. This may be under instruction who knows, Abdoulaye may have given us a few hearts in mouths moments at times trying to dribble past strikers but he was far more composed than either Shawcross or Huth when in possesion Thing is, Abdy did the flash bit and then twatted it. I don't really see the difference, if they're told to smack it how they come to that point is irrelevant really. That maybe true but if Shawcross's game is to improve he needs to show more composure. Countless times during games he has an opportunity to bring the ball down under no pressure whatsoever but chooses to launch it straight back. Even if he brought the ball down and all that was on was a sideways pass or a back pass which then went long at least he would be showing a different side to his game. It's really down to the better ball players around him to show for the ball. |
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 28, 2013 17:47:50 GMT
The thing that puzzles me is that we often criticise our ' cage ' for being on virtually on the toes of our centre halfs, so why can't Ryan play a simple pass to a player who is more comfortable on the ball. He's great at what he does as an out and out defender but his composure is shocking. Time and time again I see him launch a header straight back where it came from when he has time to bring the ball down and have a look. This may be under instruction who knows, Abdoulaye may have given us a few hearts in mouths moments at times trying to dribble past strikers but he was far more composed than either Shawcross or Huth when in possesion A complete diversion from the point at hand but did anyone see Abdy during Barnsley's pitch invasion yesterday? Barnsley fans swerving to stay out of his way as Abdy trudged off. It was like Moses parting the Red Sea! ;D |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 28, 2013 17:50:50 GMT
Abdoulaye Faye!
What a player he was for us. Another one, along with Liam Lawrence, Rory Delap and Richard Cresswell that we haven't really been given the chance to give the send off that they deserved.
Abdy was truly immense until he picked up that persistent calf injury!
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Post by lee1982 on Apr 28, 2013 17:57:08 GMT
The thing that puzzles me is that we often criticise our ' cage ' for being on virtually on the toes of our centre halfs, so why can't Ryan play a simple pass to a player who is more comfortable on the ball. He's great at what he does as an out and out defender but his composure is shocking. Time and time again I see him launch a header straight back where it came from when he has time to bring the ball down and have a look. This may be under instruction who knows, Abdoulaye may have given us a few hearts in mouths moments at times trying to dribble past strikers but he was far more composed than either Shawcross or Huth when in possesion A complete diversion from the point at hand but did anyone see Abdy during Barnsley's pitch invasion yesterday? Barnsley fans swerving to stay out of his way as Abdy trudged off. It was like Moses parting the Red Sea! ;D absolutely immense player for us that first season. Was his debut the villa game? I remember him holding of either Agbonlahor or Heskey as he brought the ball down on his chest before releasing it, when in all honesty in that situation you'd think he would just smack it straight back |
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Post by andylgr on Apr 28, 2013 19:04:34 GMT
Anyone with half a brain should realise Ryan is playing to orders to hit it to Crouch everytime, he isn't doing it because he can't play football. Also if the rumours I've heard surrounding TP and Ryan are correct then I wouldn't go along with the feeling that Ryan is one of TPs biggest advocates, he may well put that on for the media.
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Post by stayingupforalasrimmed on Apr 28, 2013 19:26:03 GMT
I take it you didn't make it back to your seat in time to groan as he launched yet another long ball in the direction of no-one in particular to set up the goal? You have totally missed the purpose of this thread, which in some respects doesn't really surprise me. I wasn't criticising Ryan in any way, shape or form and you can't but fail to have noticed that almost every time he launched the ball hopelessly, certain sections of the crowd (not me I might add) were audible in their moans. My thread was highlighting what happened at the end of the game, hoping that I had missed him shaking hands with others or not seen properly because the last thing I would want is for Ryan to feel unloved and unappreciated and subsequently be more receptive to the prospect of a move. Seemingly, in light of his Mrs/Wife's tweet, there may be something more to his prompt disappearance than I had hoped for. As I mentioned in the opening post, I had been hoping it was nothing more than him being desperate to take a shit. Why I felt the need to clarify this again, I am not so sure but hopefully it clarifies my thought process. As for you stupid attempt at an infantile dig, I am pleased to confirm that I was firmly entrenched in my seat watching the game and saw the long ball that led to the goal and the subsequent finish from Charlie Adam which was excellent. "As for you stupid attempt at an infantile dig" A bit harsh no1 |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 28, 2013 19:48:20 GMT
We need a captain to be a leader. Time to change the captain. Not the Manager
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 29, 2013 7:52:26 GMT
he cannot pass a football....> No offence but that is total shite. He is asked to continually hit 50-60 yard balls. He's a centre half not Glenn fucking Hoddle. If he can pass a ball,then shame on Pulis for making him launch it,in the hope he finds a Stoke player. |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 29, 2013 8:43:29 GMT
It was Ryan's pass that led to the goal, but I had been moaning all the first half for him to pass it short, but half the time there wasn't anybody to pass to!
He didn't have to rush off as he was warming down with N'zonzi, crouch etc about 10 minutes after the final whistle.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 29, 2013 8:52:17 GMT
Time to change the captain. Not the Manager What a load of bollocks. |
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Post by mar1386 on Apr 29, 2013 11:03:42 GMT
We need a captain to be a leader. Time to change the captain. Not the Manager Spot on - Charlie Adam is certainly captain material. |
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 29, 2013 11:09:09 GMT
It's the 'Danny Collins has superior distribution because Danny Higginbotham plays pin point 50 yard balls right onto the head of the target man' argument again. It staggers me. It's a head scratcher mate isn't it? To be honest mate I'm no professional footballer, but I could put the ball near enough on someones head from 50 yards pretty much every time. It's not that difficult. EDIT: By that I mean, every player from the Conference + could near enough do what Ryan does. |
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