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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 25, 2013 7:07:42 GMT
Does KKK work for the Mirror? Or do the mirror read the Oatcake? If the story is true then KKK was spot on. It makes sense for a proud man like Pulis to make an exit on his own terms and good luck to him, he did remarkably well in getting us up and establising us. It is only in the last two years that moving on has proved beyond him, which is a shame that he did not recognise this earlier.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 25, 2013 7:17:19 GMT
Not a day too soon, Thanks for everything TP I hope you have the decency to do it.
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 25, 2013 7:23:23 GMT
How would it serve TP or the club if he walked with three games to go? There is still a financial incentive for finishing higher up the league and we sure as hell won't achieve that under Dave Kemp or Mark O'Connor. I am quite prepared to believe that he will go, but it will be at the end of the season, surely? I think he might announce it when we're safe but would obviously stay on until the end of the season
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 25, 2013 7:27:11 GMT
How would it serve TP or the club if he walked with three games to go? There is still a financial incentive for finishing higher up the league and we sure as hell won't achieve that under Dave Kemp or Mark O'Connor. I am quite prepared to believe that he will go, but it will be at the end of the season, surely? I think he might announce it when we're safe but would obviously stay on until the end of the season It might be a case of Pulis goes and the new manager has 3 competitive games to assess the team & squad before the summer, here is to hoping anyway. Something keeps telling me Martin O Neil is in the frame.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 25, 2013 7:29:22 GMT
If people think that will will self implode if Pulis leaves then it's utter lunacy.
How do you know this club will drop like a stone if he isn't in charge.
Reality check here, there are better managers out there who could do a better job with the money Pulis has used in his tenure here.
I dont want him to leave in a bad way, a dignified exit is due for him as yes, he has done the club proud and I will always thank him for that.
To suggest like some, that no other man can do a job with this club but Pulis though is mindboggling and Im not quite sure how you have come to that realisation.
The signs are well and truly there regarding Pulis and Stoke, we can all see it, another season of this and the shite might well and truly hit the fan.
All I can put it down to is people are frightened of change and in someways I can see that I can, but for the best interests of this club and moving forward, Pulis is not the man we need.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 7:39:56 GMT
Pulis keeps Stoke up, Pulis resigns, Stoke get relegated into the championship, season after into league one and guess what?, no other manager could have stopped the rot because we were already in free fall before Pulis left. I see what's been done there and very very clever it is too might I add.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 25, 2013 7:43:03 GMT
Do you need to talk to someone tazi? Don't bottle up your emotions, there are a lot of organisations out there that would listen mate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 7:50:48 GMT
Her her her.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 25, 2013 7:51:25 GMT
Let's get to that point of safety and not be distracted by all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 7:52:01 GMT
Hee hee hee meant to put. Prddictive bloody text
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Post by mcf on Apr 25, 2013 8:03:54 GMT
Dan
We won't necessarily implode if he just leaves.
We might well implode if we start pulling back on the purse strings.
Remember what happened last time we tried that?
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 25, 2013 8:19:53 GMT
Dan We won't necessarily implode if he just leaves. We might well implode if we start pulling back on the purse strings. Remember what happened last time we tried that? Not spunking millions and millions on players you either shoe horn in to roles they are ill suited to or dont play at all gives us a lot of scope to change direction and use money more wiseley. I dont buy the pulling back on the purse strings. If we stay up there is a massive extra amount coming into the club thanks to the new TV deal plus probably the Begovic money and this gives a perfect platform to perform a significant restructure. Up to now the club has relied on buying ageing players at high prices in the domestic market. There has been little interest in the foreign market apart from token interest in one other english speaking country, and there has been little interest in bringing in players from the academy even for low profile games. A blend of youth development, foriegn market exploitation and experienced domestic professionals would provide us with better VALUE for money, a better product, less reliance on one factor and potentially make us a much stronger club that gets far more bang for its buck. BM
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 8:20:48 GMT
If people think that will will self implode if Pulis leaves then it's utter lunacy. How do you know this club will drop like a stone if he isn't in charge. Reality check here, there are better managers out there who could do a better job with the money Pulis has used in his tenure here. I dont want him to leave in a bad way, a dignified exit is due for him as yes, he has done the club proud and I will always thank him for that. To suggest like some, that no other man can do a job with this club but Pulis though is mindboggling and Im not quite sure how you have come to that realisation. The signs are well and truly there regarding Pulis and Stoke, we can all see it, another season of this and the shite might well and truly hit the fan. All I can put it down to is people are frightened of change and in someways I can see that I can, but for the best interests of this club and moving forward, Pulis is not the man we need. I think that is spot on...however the only thing i would add to "there are better managers out there who could do a better job with the money Pulis has used in his tenure here" .... is that I dont think they could do better with the team we currently have (appreciate the point you are making is with future ££££ that may be available). Shotton, Wilko, Ethrington, Whelan, Walters, Whitehead, Pennant, Cameron, (maybe Shea & Edu) are all dross/past it/possibly not needed in a "better" set-up. Owen & Bego will go. Shawcross? - a decent manager will need to take a view on him if he is able to improve his football ability or not. There will need to be a BIG clear out. If the board are happy to fund this then I think another manager could do a better job, however, if not, then I dont see much improvement on the pitch no matter what the manager. I mean, seriously --- those players are only really going to be able to adapt or change so much.....there is a definite limit to their abilities. That is a LOT of dross, and a LOT of the starting 11 - considering we have a old/young keeper to factor in and an ageing Crouch and disgruntled Adam as well, I am frightened of change as Pulis does bring with him that security that this lot can at least compete to stay up under his tenure. Its a new manager + £100 million or squeaky bum time!!
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 25, 2013 8:22:34 GMT
I think he might announce it when we're safe but would obviously stay on until the end of the season It might be a case of Pulis goes and the new manager has 3 competitive games to assess the team & squad before the summer, here is to hoping anyway. Something keeps telling me Martin O Neil is in the frame. Yeh ONeill is a very Coates (Peter) kind of choice. I think the family would let Pulis stay until the end of the season though.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 25, 2013 8:23:14 GMT
Pulis keeps Stoke up, Pulis resigns, Stoke get relegated into the championship, season after into league one and guess what?, no other manager could have stopped the rot because we were already in free fall before Pulis left. I see what's been done there and very very clever it is too might I add. So keep Pulis and watch him fail to stop the rot as he has done for the last 18 months? And watch him spunk a few more million while he does it? No thanks.
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Post by mcf on Apr 25, 2013 8:58:39 GMT
The TV money doesn't really matter in the sense that everyone in the top flight will be getting it.
It's easy to list youth development and foreign market exploitation - just a lot harder to actually do.
I think TP has 'done' the mix quite well...until this window where we didn't take on a couple of experienced players.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 25, 2013 8:59:42 GMT
Please be true then let the party begin!
Pulis out
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Post by borat on Apr 25, 2013 9:00:27 GMT
Please please please be true, oh and take Walters and Shitton with you . I will have the biggest party since my 21st when he finally leaves.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 25, 2013 9:02:27 GMT
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Apr 25, 2013 9:04:39 GMT
Fine you think it will progressive and I think it may be the start of a slow decline...which may have started in the transfer window just gone. Most things are progressive if you do them correctly, but there is no point bankingon youth unless we feel we have been doing things correctly behind the scenes for at least 6-7 years, which we quite patently have not, so i see where you're coming from on that score However You only have to look at what has been achieved in Germany in the last 10 years as a direct result of less spending capacity across the Bundesliga and an enforced investment in youth development.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 25, 2013 9:06:28 GMT
The attitude that some of you have towards TP is depressing. Together with Peter Coates, this is the man who has transformed Stoke City, got us our seat back at the top table, given us back our proud identity and some brilliant memories in the process. Despite that there is a fairly large number who treat him with absolute contempt and can't wait to boot him out of the door.
It's a sad indictment of our "have it now" modern society and a very poor reflection on Stoke City Football Club.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 25, 2013 9:12:03 GMT
The attitude that some of you have towards TP is depressing. Together with Peter Coates, this is the man who has transformed Stoke City, got us our seat back at the top table, given us back our proud identity and some brilliant memories in the process. Despite that there is a fairly large number who treat him with absolute contempt and can't wait to boot him out of the door. It's a sad indictment of our "have it now" modern society and a very poor reflection on Stoke City Football Club. Naah Nige. If he'd got us 'where we are' (which at the present time is close to relegation) playing some entertaining football, having a go at teams instead of turning us into surrender monkeys away from home, played some of the players he's spent a fortune on etc etc then he'd have a lot more in the emotional bank balance. Since he's divided the fans at every single club he's been at it's a bit rich to start blaming the fans of this particular club and the 'have it now' society imho.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 25, 2013 9:19:44 GMT
Ely, try reading the words instead of attempting a glib joke.
I haven't blamed the "fans", a word I hate but sums up a lot of what I can't stand about The Premier League.
I've just said that there appears to be little loyalty, respect or even gratitude for what TP had achieved for us.
There is only antipathy and contempt, and I find that really disappointing and hoped that our football club was a bit better than that.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 25, 2013 9:22:00 GMT
Hee hee hee meant to put. Prddictive bloody text I preferred the first one
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Apr 25, 2013 9:23:42 GMT
It could be an exciting summer.
Tony Pulis Stoke City 2002-2005 2006-2013 Thank you its been smashing.
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Post by jdpotter on Apr 25, 2013 9:30:41 GMT
An announcement at the final home game of the season would be the dignified exit and probably best all round. Lap of honour and all that, wave him off into the sunset as a club legend, BUT I feel we won't be mathematically safe by then so is unlikely
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 9:32:54 GMT
I want Pulis to leave but I honestly don't think he will jump without being pushed. Just doesn't seem in his nature to quit when the going gets tough. (undoubtedly that will be how he views it) If he does get forced out though, then no matter what has gone on for the last 18 months or so, he deserves to leave with our utmost respect and gratitude. Surely even the PHWs can agree with that!?
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Post by elystokie on Apr 25, 2013 9:41:09 GMT
Ely, try reading the words instead of attempting a glib joke. I haven't blamed the "fans", a word I hate but sums up a lot of what I can't stand about The Premier League. I've just said that there appears to be little loyalty, respect or even gratitude for what TP had achieved for us. There is only antipathy and contempt, and I find that really disappointing and hoped that our football club was a bit better than that. I read the words okey, they're what prompted the glib joke Others will obviously see it differently but my opinion remains that (an) other manager (s) could have done what he's done with the finances available without (for the vast majority of the time) boring us shitless. So I won't be fawning over him like he's my hero, he's not, I don't like his 'footballing' philosophy and I don't like him as a person (although I think he has interview tourettes and I do admire what he's done for DLT immensely). I wouldn't/won't verbally abuse him but I'll be mightily glad when he's gone, having watched his tenure at Pompey close hand and then had around 10 years of him here I've had a gutful, it appears some others have too.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 25, 2013 9:41:23 GMT
Ely, try reading the words instead of attempting a glib joke. I haven't blamed the "fans", a word I hate but sums up a lot of what I can't stand about The Premier League. I've just said that there appears to be little loyalty, respect or even gratitude for what TP had achieved for us. There is only antipathy and contempt, and I find that really disappointing and hoped that our football club was a bit better than that. Bloody proboards
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Post by RAF on Apr 25, 2013 9:57:07 GMT
Ely, try reading the words instead of attempting a glib joke. I haven't blamed the "fans", a word I hate but sums up a lot of what I can't stand about The Premier League. I've just said that there appears to be little loyalty, respect or even gratitude for what TP had achieved for us. There is only antipathy and contempt, and I find that really disappointing and hoped that our football club was a bit better than that. I think there is a plethora of gratitude for TP and what he has done. Loyalty? There is no such thing in football, managers, players and fans alike are a very fickle bunch in general, I know some would like to think it's just at Stoke, but having a wide range of footballing supporting mates it's rife throughout. As for respect, that is something you earn, and I don't think TP ever did himself any justice with this ' Working class people" , " I don't care what anyone thinks of me apart from the chairman" , "sensible fans" malarky et al. It's hard to respect someone who you think is taking the piss out of you and doesn't regard your thoughts as important. H
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