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Post by elystokie on Apr 24, 2013 23:28:26 GMT
No sources quoted or referenced at all but worrying. I thought it was no longer ok to just make a story up and print it so I presume there must be something to substantiate it however flimsy. 'worrying' Sorry Gods
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2013 23:35:48 GMT
No sources quoted or referenced at all but worrying. I thought it was no longer ok to just make a story up and print it so I presume there must be something to substantiate it however flimsy. 'worrying' Sorry Gods Do you think we will be ok then, post-Pulis? We never were before, post-Waddington.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 24, 2013 23:42:02 GMT
'worrying' (rofl) Sorry Gods ;) Do you think we will be ok then, post-Pulis? We never were before post-Waddington. I don't see how the entertainment can be any worse, which is a huge start. We never had any money post-Waddington.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 23:42:56 GMT
'worrying' Sorry Gods Do you think we will be ok then, post-Pulis? We never were before post-Waddington. We were up shit creek without a paddle at that time though mate. Every manager we brought in after then had to work with fresh air, and only Durban and Macari (and to a limited degree, Mills) were able to make a respectable job of it. We're now owned by near billionaires. All sorts of shit could happen in the meantime, but you can't compare the situation the club are in now with what happened back then.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2013 23:48:36 GMT
Evening Gods. I see you're still clinging on to the dream that Pulis will be here for the next 10 years. Come on mate its time to move on. Evening. Think we will be ok...with someone else then? I just have way too many mental scars from the quarter of a century we spent in the wilderness before TP came along. Of course we will. Whether thats in the championship who knows and quite frankly who cares. Whatever league we are in...the football and enjoyment factor that comes with watching an unpredictable and entertaining match will be back. Lets be honest...it cant get too much worse than this (from an entertainment point of view). Forget the finance of the club for a second. I dont support and watch Stoke purely because I want them to succeed financially. What is the point in that? The last 2 seasons may have been a success financially (although thats pretty questionable considering the money hes spunked away). The fact is we are almost certainly the most boring, one dimensional team in English football and are set to be the country's lowest scorers for a second consecutive season. Life is too short for that. I'd rather get back to enjoying watching my team play "football" again. All to their own though Gods.
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2013 23:51:57 GMT
Do you think we will be ok then, post-Pulis? We never were before post-Waddington. We were up shit creek without a paddle at that time though mate. Every manager we brought in after then had to work with fresh air, and only Durban and Macari (and to a limited degree, Mills) were able to make a respectable job of it. We're now owned by near billionaires. All sorts of shit could happen in the meantime, but you can't compare the situation the club are in now with what happened back then. Who is your man then, one name, to replace Tone? For all but the super-sized clubs maintaining Premier League status is a god-forsaken, ball-aching, attritional, thankless task. Who has the nouse and the will for the fight? Tone has proven again and again he can do it.
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2013 23:53:30 GMT
Evening. Think we will be ok...with someone else then? I just have way too many mental scars from the quarter of a century we spent in the wilderness before TP came along. Of course we will. Whether thats in the championship who knows and quite frankly who cares. Whatever league we are in...the football and enjoyment factor that comes with watching an unpredictable and entertaining match will be back. Lets be honest...it cant get too much worse than this (from an entertainment point of view). Forget the finance of the club for a second. I dont support and watch Stoke purely because I want them to succeed financially. What is the point in that? The last 2 seasons may have been a success financially (although thats pretty questionable considering the money hes spunked away). The fact is we are almost certainly the most boring, one dimensional team in English football and are set to be the country's lowest scorers for a second consecutive season. Life is too short for that. I'd rather get back to enjoying watching my team play "football" again. All to their own though Gods. crikey, if you don't care if we are back in the Championship then you and I are never going to agree on anything.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2013 23:56:28 GMT
Of course we will. Whether thats in the championship who knows and quite frankly who cares. Whatever league we are in...the football and enjoyment factor that comes with watching an unpredictable and entertaining match will be back. Lets be honest...it cant get too much worse than this (from an entertainment point of view). Forget the finance of the club for a second. I dont support and watch Stoke purely because I want them to succeed financially. What is the point in that? The last 2 seasons may have been a success financially (although thats pretty questionable considering the money hes spunked away). The fact is we are almost certainly the most boring, one dimensional team in English football and are set to be the country's lowest scorers for a second consecutive season. Life is too short for that. I'd rather get back to enjoying watching my team play "football" again. All to their own though Gods. crikey, if you don't care if we are back in the Championship then you and I are never going to agree on anything. So you'd prefer to be in the premier league simply for the sake of it regardless of how dull and depressing the football is? Why? Simply to say "we are in the premier league?" Or is it the financial aspect? But then what does finance matter with a manager who doesnt know who to utilise it correctly.
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Post by digger on Apr 25, 2013 0:01:39 GMT
iam like you gods but prehaps its time for change. i just get pissed off the way pulis gets fucked over by the same people on this board
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Post by Gods on Apr 25, 2013 0:02:07 GMT
crikey, if you don't care if we are back in the Championship then you and I are never going to agree on anything. So you'd prefer to be in the premier league simply for the sake of it regardless of how dull and depressing the football is? Why? Simply to say "we are in the premier league?" Or is it the financial aspect? But then what does finance matter with a manager who doesnt know who to utilise it correctly. Because I want us to be the best football team we can be. And locking horns with Manchester United and Liverpool and Arsenal and English footballs biggest guns is what it is all about. Not f*cking about in the Championship and Division 1 like we did for a quarter of a century before TP came along where, were it not for the naughty40, no one had even heard of us.
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Post by mark71 on Apr 25, 2013 0:09:13 GMT
So you'd prefer to be in the premier league simply for the sake of it regardless of how dull and depressing the football is? Why? Simply to say "we are in the premier league?" Or is it the financial aspect? But then what does finance matter with a manager who doesnt know who to utilise it correctly. Because I want us to be the best football team we can be. And locking horns with Manchester United and Liverpool and Arsenal and English footballs biggest guns is what it is all about. Not f*cking about in the Championship and Division 1 like we did for a quarter of a century before TP came along where, were it not for the naughty40, no one had even heard of us. The only problem is were not exactly "locking horns with them" though are we. All away games against the big clubs are just thrown away without any thought of winning the games. The days when we would give the likes of Arsenal and Man city a bloody nose at the Brit are a distant memory.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 0:11:35 GMT
We were up shit creek without a paddle at that time though mate. Every manager we brought in after then had to work with fresh air, and only Durban and Macari (and to a limited degree, Mills) were able to make a respectable job of it. We're now owned by near billionaires. All sorts of shit could happen in the meantime, but you can't compare the situation the club are in now with what happened back then. Who is your man then, one name, to replace Tone? For all but the super-sized clubs maintaining Premier League status is a god-forsaken, ball-aching, attritional, thankless task. Who has the nouse and the will for the fight? Tone has proven again and again he can do it. I can't dispute that Tone has proven again and again that he can maintain out Prem status, but he's sailing us near to the wind at the moment, and I believe this is basically a season too far for him. The problem on this board though is that the pro's and the anti's see everything so differently. You appear happy to stick with Pulis providing he maintains Prem status, whereas for me, the way he's done that, and presumably would continue to try to do that is to make the individual games as far from enjoyable as a football match can get. For that reason, the answer to the question who would I replace Pulis with, is largely irrelevant, I'm pretty much in the "anyone but Pulis" camp. I'd prefer a bright young pup to an O'Neill type manager, but providing I can get some fist-pumping excitement at the games, rather than the "oh good, we've just scored from a corner/free-kick/penalty/throw-in, and now we're going to defend for the rest of the game," sort of drudgery, I don't really care who it is.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 25, 2013 0:11:49 GMT
So you'd prefer to be in the premier league simply for the sake of it regardless of how dull and depressing the football is? Why? Simply to say "we are in the premier league?" Or is it the financial aspect? But then what does finance matter with a manager who doesnt know who to utilise it correctly. Because I want us to be the best football team we can be. And locking horns with Manchester United and Liverpool and Arsenal and English footballs biggest guns is what it is all about. Not f*cking about in the Championship and Division 1 like we did for a quarter of a century before TP came along where, were it not for the naughty40, no one had even heard of us. Its hardly like we've got a good "footballing" reputation as a result though is it? We're disliked for a reason...we're absolutely dire to watch. I just dont buy into the idea that its great being in the premier league simply so we can say "we're in the premier league". Yeah that was great for a season or two. 5 years later we're still saying the same things. It would be nice to be a premier league side who go out and play a little bit of football whilst trying to be positive away from home.
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 25, 2013 0:58:57 GMT
This is the weirdest piece of briefing, wish we knew where it's coming from. It feels like a vengeful agent briefing against Tone or something. Or journos reading this place too much
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Post by thevoid on Apr 25, 2013 1:11:49 GMT
Evening Gods. I see you're still clinging on to the dream that Pulis will be here for the next 10 years. Come on mate its time to move on. Evening. Think we will be ok...with someone else then? I just have way too many mental scars from the quarter of a century we spent in the wilderness before TP came along. Kind of like when prisoners become institutionalised and are scared of leaving jail?
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Post by thevoid on Apr 25, 2013 1:15:20 GMT
So you'd prefer to be in the premier league simply for the sake of it regardless of how dull and depressing the football is? Why? Simply to say "we are in the premier league?" Or is it the financial aspect? But then what does finance matter with a manager who doesnt know who to utilise it correctly. Because I want us to be the best football team we can be. And locking horns with Manchester United and Liverpool and Arsenal and English footballs biggest guns is what it is all about. Not f*cking about in the Championship and Division 1 like we did for a quarter of a century before TP came along where, were it not for the naughty40, no one had even heard of us. We don't 'lock horns' with the teams you mentioned though do we. We bend over and let them stick a Rampant Rabbit up our sphincter rather than getting to the 'locking horns' bit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 3:29:15 GMT
Freefall here we cone.
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Post by Linx on Apr 25, 2013 5:43:53 GMT
How would it serve TP or the club if he walked with three games to go? There is still a financial incentive for finishing higher up the league and we sure as hell won't achieve that under Dave Kemp or Mark O'Connor. I am quite prepared to believe that he will go, but it will be at the end of the season, surely?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 25, 2013 5:55:58 GMT
How would it serve TP or the club if he walked with three games to go? There is still a financial incentive for finishing higher up the league and we sure as hell won't achieve that under Dave Kemp or Mark O'Connor. I am quite prepared to believe that he will go, but it will be at the end of the season, surely? The scenario outlined by KKK that an announcement would be made before the Spurs game IF WE ARE SAFE and that TP would go at the end of the season, makes far more sense than the scenario outlined in the Mirror. Of course, both stories could be wrong but, if I had to bet on one of them, my money would be on the KKK/Spurs scenario.
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Post by mcf on Apr 25, 2013 6:33:58 GMT
It's still a big if as far as I'm concerned but if SuperTone does indeed keep us up and then fucks off with games to go then he must be mightly pissed off....which is what I hear.
To be honest, I think he is best off out of it in any case.
Don't get me wrong, Pulis has made some errors to say the least this year, but I think we are in danger of coming badly unstuck as a club based on current thinking.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 25, 2013 6:36:17 GMT
I hope he doesn't skulk off. Whatever you think of him he deserves a proper send off. He has done a great job here, unfortunately has been found out tactically. I would hope even his biggest critics would give him a great send off.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 25, 2013 6:49:20 GMT
It's still a big if as far as I'm concerned but if SuperTone does indeed keep us up and then fucks off with games to go then he must be mightly pissed off....which is what I hear. To be honest, I think he is best off out of it in any case. Don't get me wrong, Pulis has made some errors to say the least this year, but I think we are in danger of coming badly unstuck as a club based on current thinking. Care to expand on your last 4 words?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 6:50:45 GMT
Surely Stoke City wouldn't go for RDM...I hope not anyway.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 25, 2013 6:51:30 GMT
We're already in freefall tazi, haven't you seen the results since Xmas? Let's see if the new manager can get us the (whole of league footballs') wooden spoon in the goalscoring stakes 2 years running.
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 25, 2013 6:51:56 GMT
Because I want us to be the best football team we can be. And locking horns with Manchester United and Liverpool and Arsenal and English footballs biggest guns is what it is all about. Not f*cking about in the Championship and Division 1 like we did for a quarter of a century before TP came along where, were it not for the naughty40, no one had even heard of us. Its hardly like we've got a good "footballing" reputation as a result though is it? We're disliked for a reason...we're absolutely dire to watch. I just dont buy into the idea that its great being in the premier league simply so we can say "we're in the premier league". Yeah that was great for a season or two. 5 years later we're still saying the same things. It would be nice to be a premier league side who go out and play a little bit of football whilst trying to be positive away from home. Spot on for me Rossi. Football is about opinions. Some people don't care how it's done, as long as we are in the Prem, that's all that matters to them (Gods etc) whereas others who are more interested in enjoying watching their team try to play good positive football, developing youth etc have come to a stage where they would take us being in the Championship if it meant they would enjoy the games again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 6:53:29 GMT
Did tony not leave instructions to jonothon on deadline day as he wasn't at the club, orders were not carried out, a mighty row ensued and Peter had to step in laying down the law?
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Post by mcf on Apr 25, 2013 6:53:55 GMT
spending less money
..and thinking that the academy will take some of the strain....worrying too much about younger players for the future rather than the here and now.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 25, 2013 6:56:15 GMT
It's still a big if as far as I'm concerned but if SuperTone does indeed keep us up and then fucks off with games to go then he must be mightly pissed off....which is what I hear. To be honest, I think he is best off out of it in any case. Don't get me wrong, Pulis has made some errors to say the least this year, but I think we are in danger of coming badly unstuck as a club based on current thinking. Care to expand on your last 4 words? +1 I'm also interested to hear.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 25, 2013 6:57:41 GMT
spending less money ..and thinking that the academy will take some of the strain. Sounds like we are thinking progressively. Can only be a good thing in my eyes. Stay safe this year and start a restructuring process which involves a clear direction for the first team and which ultimately filters down to the youth setups. Not just lumping £10 million on crouch.
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Post by mcf on Apr 25, 2013 7:05:18 GMT
Fine
you think it will progressive and I think it may be the start of a slow decline...which may have started in the transfer window just gone.
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