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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Apr 23, 2013 14:35:04 GMT
Basically we have 4 camps Complete Gambles - Bould and Neville Slight Gambles - Holloway, Mclaren, Poyet, Solksjaer, Martinez, RDM, Lee Clarke Safe Choice - Hughton, Oniell, Allardyce, Redknapp, Klinsman if we could get him Never going to happen so why even mention it - Benitez, Moyes Personally i think Allardyce for a few years to re-cement our place then look at moving on How is Klinsmann a safe choice?! ok he might be in between safe and slight gamble but he has proven managerial experience, could get the best out of g-cam and shea, knows about the premier league and we could stick him upfront if we need a goal
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 23, 2013 14:35:30 GMT
There are a lot of things to consider. There are loads of possibilities this summer which is strange and also a really good opportunity for a club of our size. I think it's fair & realistic to say following Pulis' escapades in transfer windows that a manager with a good track record in the transfer market is an important factor, as is his ability to win over the media to improve the current dull reputation of the club. I think it goes to show the amount of money that has been spunked up the wall on surplus and inadequate players that it is best to spunk the money on the best manager we can afford. David Moyes ---> Should be I would say probably everybodys number 1 target & rightly so, he does use the Everton Academy and is as good as you will find in the transfer market, he is also very respected within the game & media & will have no problem whatsoever attracting the better standard of player. It's a no brainer really, we should move heaven & earth to get him on board, he might be tempted with a larger than average transfer kitty after not having two pennies to scratch his arse with at Everton. Mark Hughes ---> Did very well at Blackburn, Fulham & Wales before being put in 2 jobs that demanded him to buy as good as a new squad instantly and get them playing as a team, I'm convinced with a patient board like ours who would give him reasonable funding and his own time to build, he'd be a great option. Steve MaClaren ---> Did well enough with Middlesborough to get he England job, known to be a great coach and rated highly by Ferguson. MaClaren has won the League in Holland for a team that hadn't won it for 20 years, it didn't work out for him in Germany but he has furthered his education in the game and will no doubt have a good idea of players worth purchasing from the German & Dutch Leagues who happen to demand a modest wages as 99% of both leagues clubs pay very low wages in comparison to the Premiership. Martin O Neill - Good manage, the only thing I'm not certain about with him is if he is going to start demanding silly money to get Stoke into the top 6. Di Matteo ----> Could be a good option but largely untried. Gus Poyet ---> Looks like a good manager with good football but largely untried in the Premiership although they do score goals and have a very decent defence. Alan Curbishley ---> Everybody moaned at his poor standard of football but he really didn't have a pot to piss in yet he kept Charlton up season after season, I'd like to see what he could do with modest funding. He's also still in touch with the game as he appears reguarly on T.V doing the punditry. Loads to go at!! My own personal choice in order atm would be 1) Moyes 2) MaClaren 3) Hughes 4) Poyet 5) Curbs 6) Di Matteo 7) Martinez Moyes?!? You're mental, he wouldn't come here! As an aside, have a look at how much he's spent and the wages Everton pay... They're not quite the paupers folk make out
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 14:36:00 GMT
Rafa Benitez is a champions league winner, would love him at stoke but what is the point as soon as he starts doing well and others in bigger jobs not so he will attract constant speculation, which is neither good for players or supporters.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Apr 23, 2013 14:38:13 GMT
Marco Van Basten?. He has all the credentials.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 14:39:03 GMT
How is Klinsmann a safe choice?! ok he might be in between safe and slight gamble but he has proven managerial experience, could get the best out of g-cam and shea, knows about the premier league and we could stick him upfront if we need a goal He's not getting the best out of them in a fairly poor start as USA manager though and his only club experience is with Bayern, where he was a disappointment.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 14:40:51 GMT
I'd be very suprised if Pulis does not have a higher net spend in total for player & wages over the last 5 years,
how I see it it's simple, the revenue is going up, Moyes is as good as guaranteed to keep us in this league, give him a 5 year contract and lot of money to spend, it's worth £60M a year to stay in the prem, I make that £300M over 5 years, offer him £120M to spend, where is the issue? It's an investment on a manager who will do great things with it and earn the £120M over 5 seasons keeping us here.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2013 14:41:46 GMT
You can forget Moyes. Di Matteo sacked by West Brom. Hughes sacked by QPR. Curbs sacked by West Ham Martinez looks to be taking Wigan down.
Gus Poyet, done well with Brighton, with money to spend. Could he take Stoke from 15th to 10th, maybe. Then again he might take them down, something Pulis has not done. Steve MaClaren, weren't some Middlesborough season ticket holders throwing their tickets away in protest.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 23, 2013 14:45:44 GMT
I think there's pretty reasonable question marks about most of the names mentioned and anyone who seriously believes Moyes would be even remotely interested in Stoke as 'career progression' needs something of a reality check.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 14:47:17 GMT
Steve Bould was born in the area, he spent 10 years at the club as a player and played over 200 games in the process. He’s spent over 10 years at Arsenal in a Coaching capacity, initially with the youth sides before becoming Assistant Manager.
I wouldn’t consider it a massive gamble. It’d definitely be a gamble but any manager would be.
Steve Clarke made the step from Coach to Manager look quite seamless.
There’s no reason to suggest Bould couldn’t. He’s been in the game long enough.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 14:48:02 GMT
You can forget Moyes. Di Matteo sacked by West Brom. Hughes sacked by QPR. Curbs sacked by West Ham Martinez looks to be taking Wigan down. Gus Poyet, done well with Brighton, with money to spend. Could he take Stoke from 15th to 10th, maybe. Then again he might take them down, something Pulis has not done. Steve MaClaren, weren't some Middlesborough season ticket holders throwing their tickets away in protest. Forget Moyes? Why? Know him personally do you? Give me one good reason why he would not consider Stoke if the wages and his transfer kitty was exciting?
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 23, 2013 14:51:16 GMT
You can forget Moyes. Di Matteo sacked by West Brom. Hughes sacked by QPR. Curbs sacked by West Ham Martinez looks to be taking Wigan down. Gus Poyet, done well with Brighton, with money to spend. Could he take Stoke from 15th to 10th, maybe. Then again he might take them down, something Pulis has not done. Steve MaClaren, weren't some Middlesborough season ticket holders throwing their tickets away in protest. Forget Moyes? Why? Know him personally do you? Give me one good reason why he would not consider Stoke if the wages and his transfer kitty was exciting? I think that he thinks there's bigger fish to fry than Stoke.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 14:53:41 GMT
If we are not even considering signing up Moyes on a top wage then for me it shows the lack of ambition and forward thinking of the club. Pulis has had £100M over 5 years, why not give someone with the pedigree of Moyes a top Salary & £150M to spend over 5 years considering the Premiership club revenue is going to rocket.
Pretty small time if you ask me.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 14:54:29 GMT
Forget Moyes? Why? Know him personally do you? Give me one good reason why he would not consider Stoke if the wages and his transfer kitty was exciting? I think that he thinks there's bigger fish to fry than Stoke. What gives you this impression?
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 23, 2013 14:55:20 GMT
If we are not even considering signing up Moyes on a top wage then for me it shows the lack of ambition and forward thinking of the club. Pulis has had £100M over 5 years, why not give someone with the pedigree of Moyes a top Salary & £150M to spend over 5 years considering the Premiership club revenue is going to rocket. Pretty small time if you ask me. I thought you were mad before Yogi but this...
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 14:55:55 GMT
Another option would be the forgotton man Sven Eriksson, his record speaks for itself, he needs no introduction.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 14:56:07 GMT
Another option would be the forgotton man Sven Eriksson, his C.V speaks for itself, he needs no introduction, he is also a very likeable bloke
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 14:56:24 GMT
I think that he thinks there's bigger fish to fry than Stoke. What gives you this impression? The fact that he's currently at a bigger club than Stoke and has done well there, and the reward for that tends not to be a smaller club?
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 23, 2013 14:56:28 GMT
thesandbankskid,
I think Moyes would see Stoke as a move down in his career. A lot of people see him as a possible replacement for Ferguson one day. Rumours were circulating recently that Chelsea might consider him. If you are David Moyes your ambition now would surely be to manage a Premier League Club who could win things or at least get into Europe.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 23, 2013 14:59:09 GMT
You can forget Moyes. Di Matteo sacked by West Brom. Hughes sacked by QPR. Curbs sacked by West Ham Martinez looks to be taking Wigan down. Gus Poyet, done well with Brighton, with money to spend. Could he take Stoke from 15th to 10th, maybe. Then again he might take them down, something Pulis has not done. Steve MaClaren, weren't some Middlesborough season ticket holders throwing their tickets away in protest. Forget Moyes? Why? Know him personally do you? Give me one good reason why he would not consider Stoke if the wages and his transfer kitty was exciting? Our Chairman has, quite rightly, been talking about this club not being in a position to spend money forever as it has in the past few seasons so you can forget about massive spending budgets. Moyes has managed to get Everton competing with most of the best in the Premier League despite a few flirtations with the bottom of the division in recent years and his ONLY frustration with Everton is their inability to spend really big to make a real challenge. If you honestly think he'd fancy swapping Everton for a Stoke City that will be trying to 'cut their cloth' then I fear you will be disappointed. Put it this way, if Fergy retired tomorrow I'm guessing that a good many of the hiarachy at Old Trafford would be very interested in Moyes. Purely my opinion of course but I think there is ZERO chance of Moyes having any interest in Stoke City.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 23, 2013 15:00:06 GMT
David Moyes and Rafa Benitez!
That's why the list of REALISTIC possible candidates is still the best reason for keeping TP.
Anyway, Sandbanks, I thought you're number 1 contender was Neil Warnock.
Perhaps you could do a bit of consultancy work for Bet365 to help them with future appointments.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 15:00:34 GMT
What gives you this impression? The fact that he's currently at a bigger club than Stoke and has done well there, and the reward for that tends not to be a smaller club? So where do you see him next then Rob, it's a matter of circumstance, he will be looking for a decent job with a decent chairman and some money to spend, we will have a job going , have a decent chairman (very rare these days) & possibly a lot of money to spend. It all comes down to the ambition of the club. Managers choose the club for reasons other than the size of it these days. Moyes would have the opportunity to build something great at Stoke, it's a really exciting opportunity when you think of it, surely? This club currently has a lot going for it it's only the current management that is the shadow over the Brit, nothing else.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 15:01:58 GMT
David Moyes and Rafa Benitez! That's why the list of REALISTIC possible candidates is still the best reason for keeping TP. Anyway, Sandbanks, I thought you're number 1 contender was Neil Warnock. Perhaps you could do a bit of consultancy work for Bet365 to help them with future appointments. Warnock would be my number 1 choice if we were relegated. Nowhere have I said I'd like Warnock to be manager if we stay up, if you find this you have done well, because I havn't.
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Post by shelve on Apr 23, 2013 15:05:21 GMT
Best option: Gary Neville & Phil Neville as player coach. 2nd option: Keep Pulis.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 15:05:24 GMT
Forget Moyes? Why? Know him personally do you? Give me one good reason why he would not consider Stoke if the wages and his transfer kitty was exciting? Our Chairman has, quite rightly, been talking about this club not being in a position to spend money forever as it has in the past few seasons so you can forget about massive spending budgets. Moyes has managed to get Everton competing with most of the best in the Premier League despite a few flirtations with the bottom of the division in recent years and his ONLY frustration with Everton is their inability to spend really big to make a real challenge. If you honestly think he'd fancy swapping Everton for a Stoke City that will be trying to 'cut their cloth' then I fear you will be disappointed. Put it this way, if Fergy retired tomorrow I'm guessing that a good many of the hiarachy at Old Trafford would be very interested in Moyes. Purely my opinion of course but I think there is ZERO chance of Moyes having any interest in Stoke City. Massive spending budgets? At first glance maybe, the bigger picture says it isn't. If we want to stay in the Premiership then Moyes will as good as guarantee it along with the £60M T.V revenue a year that comes with it, so where is the "massive Spending" if we give him say £150M over 5 years? There would still be £150M remaining. Massive spending is keeping someone like Pulis who hasn't got a clue of what to do with it but continues to spunk it in the hope something will stick.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 23, 2013 15:05:36 GMT
You can forget Moyes. Di Matteo sacked by West Brom. Hughes sacked by QPR. Curbs sacked by West Ham Martinez looks to be taking Wigan down. Gus Poyet, done well with Brighton, with money to spend. Could he take Stoke from 15th to 10th, maybe. Then again he might take them down, something Pulis has not done. Steve MaClaren, weren't some Middlesborough season ticket holders throwing their tickets away in protest. Forget Moyes? Why? Know him personally do you? Give me one good reason why he would not consider Stoke if the wages and his transfer kitty was exciting? I watched the Everton game with a few toffee supporters who say that Moyes has asked for more cash or he's off but Kenwright can't/won't pony up the dough. Moyes [EDIT: supposedly] wants a 'big' club but there's only Chelsea in England who will be looking shortly but Roman wouldn't have him so the word on the street is he's might go to Shalke 04!! Everton have got their eye on Martinez. Hence no big celebration after the 3 nil win at Goodison - apparently.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 15:07:53 GMT
Forget Moyes? Why? Know him personally do you? Give me one good reason why he would not consider Stoke if the wages and his transfer kitty was exciting? I watched the Everton game with a few toffee supporters who say that Moyes has asked for more cash or he's off but Kenwright can't/won't pony up the dough. Moyes wants a 'big' club but there's only Chelsea in England who will be looking shortly but Roman wouldn't have him so the word on the street is he's might go to Shalke 04!! Everton have got their eye on Martinez. Hence no big celebration after the 3 nil win at Goodison - apparently. Who in their right mind would manage Chelsea under Abamovich? would have to be pretty desperate because you are guaranteed a short shelf life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 15:09:03 GMT
The fact that he's currently at a bigger club than Stoke and has done well there, and the reward for that tends not to be a smaller club? So where do you see him next then Rob, it's a matter of circumstance, he will be looking for a decent job with a decent chairman and some money to spend, we will have a job going , have a decent chairman (very rare these days) & possibly a lot of money to spend. It all comes down to the ambition of the club. Managers choose the club for reasons other than the size of it these days. Moyes would have the opportunity to build something great at Stoke, it's a really exciting opportunity when you think of it, surely? This club currently has a lot going for it it's only the current management that is the shadow over the Brit, nothing else. He'll either take a sabbatical or go to Germany IMO.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 23, 2013 15:10:20 GMT
thesandbankskid, I think Moyes would see Stoke as a move down in his career. A lot of people see him as a possible replacement for Ferguson one day. Rumours were circulating recently that Chelsea might consider him. If you are David Moyes your ambition now would surely be to manage a Premier League Club who could win things or at least get into Europe. Who is to say we couldn't with a manager that can with a good transfer kitty to match? What are Schalke 04 going to win?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 23, 2013 15:10:44 GMT
Our Chairman has, quite rightly, been talking about this club not being in a position to spend money forever as it has in the past few seasons so you can forget about massive spending budgets. Moyes has managed to get Everton competing with most of the best in the Premier League despite a few flirtations with the bottom of the division in recent years and his ONLY frustration with Everton is their inability to spend really big to make a real challenge. If you honestly think he'd fancy swapping Everton for a Stoke City that will be trying to 'cut their cloth' then I fear you will be disappointed. Put it this way, if Fergy retired tomorrow I'm guessing that a good many of the hiarachy at Old Trafford would be very interested in Moyes. Purely my opinion of course but I think there is ZERO chance of Moyes having any interest in Stoke City. Massive spending budgets? At first glance maybe, the bigger picture says it isn't. If we want to stay in the Premiership then Moyes will as good as guarantee it along with the £60M T.V revenue a year that comes with it, so where is the "massive Spending" if we give him say £150M over 5 years? There would still be £150M remaining. Massive spending is keeping someone like Pulis who hasn't got a clue of what to do with it but continues to spunk it in the hope something will stick. So £150 Million on players? How much on wages for these 'top' players? How much on all the other 'hidden costs' of signing top players? And all of this assumes success, which is NEVER guaranteed. Sorry mate, for a club like Stoke it's unrealistic talk and pretty dangerous at worst because, considering all of the above, we ARE talking massive budgets.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 23, 2013 15:11:50 GMT
Our Chairman has, quite rightly, been talking about this club not being in a position to spend money forever as it has in the past few seasons so you can forget about massive spending budgets. Moyes has managed to get Everton competing with most of the best in the Premier League despite a few flirtations with the bottom of the division in recent years and his ONLY frustration with Everton is their inability to spend really big to make a real challenge. If you honestly think he'd fancy swapping Everton for a Stoke City that will be trying to 'cut their cloth' then I fear you will be disappointed. Put it this way, if Fergy retired tomorrow I'm guessing that a good many of the hiarachy at Old Trafford would be very interested in Moyes. Purely my opinion of course but I think there is ZERO chance of Moyes having any interest in Stoke City. Massive spending budgets? At first glance maybe, the bigger picture says it isn't. If we want to stay in the Premiership then Moyes will as good as guarantee it along with the £60M T.V revenue a year that comes with it, so where is the "massive Spending" if we give him say £150M over 5 years? There would still be £150M remaining. Massive spending is keeping someone like Pulis who hasn't got a clue of what to do with it but continues to spunk it in the hope something will stick. So £150 Million on players? How much on wages for these 'top' players? How much on all the other 'hidden costs' of signing top players? And all of this assumes success, which is NEVER guaranteed. Sorry mate, for a club like Stoke it's unrealistic talk and pretty dangerous at worst. All quite apart from the fact that Moyes will go to a bigger club than Stoke if he moves at all.
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