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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 12:40:57 GMT
sounds spot on to me that Sid speaking as one that has differing opinions than the mods/click
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Post by foster on Apr 2, 2013 12:42:47 GMT
Sorry mate, that's a load of garbage. So being a moderator should mean I have no opinion, or just an everyman one? I could easily set up a separate account that no-one would know about and use that to give my opinion on Stoke City. We try to moderate the abuse on here, not opinion. There are no serious pro-SCFC threads in the Shit Bin. So your a moderator with an opinion okay fair enough nobody is trying to deny you of that, and coming into the thread to water down the accusation is totally the right thing to do. Its like refereeing a game between your favourite football team (Stoke) against the tosspots you can not stand (Vale) for example. Its a even game with practically nothing to separate the 2 (stoke are shite and have missed a handful of chances to win the game) Last minute dubious hand ball decision against Port Vale to give stoke the penalty, its your choice what you going to do? I know what I would do, I'd give the peno because I hate the vale and all the braindead fans who still give me banter about Steino this and Regis that. Even though I am supposed to stay professional I still have my opinions. Usually I'm a very good referee but sometimes when something gets up my nose and I take it the wrong way it gets personal. Who's going to tell me otherwise? I have all the authority, I have the cards in my pocket and the whistle round my wrist. I'm the sheriff round here, got something to say to me punk? Here's a yellow for your time oh and your next goal will be offside alright sunshine?? And your trying to say that you only moderate abuse not opinions even when they clash with your own or question your judgement? Some people can bend the rules, others get a boot up the ar@e without warning. Give it up your not kidding anybody. It is what it is. A pro Pulis thread in itself is ridiculous. At this time, there's nothing 'pro' about him or the state of affairs the clubs finding itself in. The facts speak for themselves. At present we're absolutely dire, and there's no denying it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 2, 2013 12:44:05 GMT
My experience is that you are totally wrong Sid.
I don't need to defend DaveF because he is more than capable of doing that for himself. I know DaveF, Smudge and MarkWolstanton personally, have shared a pint with them, travelled to away games with them and talk to them at games. All of them, I believe, do some moderation of this site.
I have had posts removed that have had some "obscene language" or "over the top abuse" in them and I was once asked to remove something for legal reasons despite knowing full well, that in essence, they agreed with what I was saying.
This is a free site which we can all enjoy and vent our spleens on and it is free because the guys associated with the Oatcake and massive and passionate Stoke fans who give up their time for something that they care about.
Your analogy above is a poor one I am afraid. Some people will feel that they were unjustly banned but in every instance, I can't imagine the lads I know letting something "vindictive" dominate the thinking when taking the decision.
As this thread has developed and digressed I think I have disagreed with you at every change in direction. Isn't that what the board is all about? Discussion? Debate? Disagreements? Banter? This matter is no different. In my opinion you are very badly mistaken with your comments above.
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 12:46:38 GMT
Probably the main reason the board is not balanced, those of us who present a different view have stopped presenting it because only one view is allowed at the moment.
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Post by foster on Apr 2, 2013 12:47:13 GMT
Seems to me like a few Pro Pulis hard-liners moaning and whining because they've got nothing to back up their sentimental arguments with.
The sooner they understand that loyalty to Stoke and Pulis do not go hand in hand the better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:48:24 GMT
Probably the main reason the board is not balanced, those of us who present a different view have stopped presenting it because only one view is allowed at the moment. All views are allowed. Whiners tend to claim this when people don't agree with them. Especially when their argument isn't based on much.
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Post by RAF on Apr 2, 2013 12:50:15 GMT
Lets face it Sid, you've got the arse on because you expected more people to agree with you. Most posters on this thread have offered you no abuse and their alternative views. Then when you decide to have a handbag swinging tantrum are surprised that posters are taking the piss.
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 12:50:47 GMT
Probably the main reason the board is not balanced, those of us who present a different view have stopped presenting it because only one view is allowed at the moment. All views are allowed. Whiners tend to claim this when people don't agree with them. Especially when their argument isn't based on much. well in my view i disagree with you
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Post by foster on Apr 2, 2013 12:51:51 GMT
Probably the main reason the board is not balanced, those of us who present a different view have stopped presenting it because only one view is allowed at the moment. Ok CLP, so your view is that Pulis is the man to take us forward. On what basis? Please provide some facts that demonstrate not only promotion but actual progression / evolution?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:52:16 GMT
All views are allowed. Whiners tend to claim this when people don't agree with them. Especially when their argument isn't based on much. well in my view i disagree with you And again it doesn't seem to be based on much...
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Post by elystokie on Apr 2, 2013 12:53:04 GMT
Probably the main reason the board is not balanced, those of us who present a different view have stopped presenting it because only one view is allowed at the moment.[/quote I have no doubt that a well balanced, well constructed and thought out argument backed up with some facts and statistics would draw massive support should a post exist. Good luck with creating one, you may need it
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 12:58:49 GMT
Probably the main reason the board is not balanced, those of us who present a different view have stopped presenting it because only one view is allowed at the moment. Ok CLP, so your view is that Pulis is the man to take us forward. On what basis? Please provide some facts that demonstrate not only promotion but actual progression / evolution? My view is that almost identical to the OP. TP has done brilliantly for this club. It may be time for him to go, (though personally I would be happy for him to stay) however the man has earned huge respect for what we have achieved with him as manager. The people who abuse him, call for him to 'go now', call him 'the dispicable one' etc etc are a total embarrassment to Stoke City.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 2, 2013 13:08:50 GMT
So those that don't abuse him but merely ask him to go with a Pulis Out chant are a well argued point via this forum are a total embarrassment to the club?
If so, I am so glad that Homzy prompted me to chance my signature. I wouldn't want to embarrass the club now, especially after everything Pulis has done to stop us being the laughing stock of the league.
Sitting on the fence in terms of him staying or going is hardly presenting the opposite view though is it?
Aren't you the one that got into a girly catfight with another poster a few weeks ago? The internet equivalent of a hairpulling, name calling, girly fight?
EDIT - If yours is the alternative view and your view is the same as the OP on this thread then surely you can see the stupidity of saying that the alternative isn't allowed on here when this thread is now 4 days and 15 pages old?
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 13:16:45 GMT
So those that don't abuse him but merely ask him to go with a Pulis Out chant are a well argued point via this forum are a total embarrassment to the club? If so, I am so glad that Homzy prompted me to chance my signature. I wouldn't want to embarrass the club now, especially after everything Pulis has done to stop us being the laughing stock of the league. Sitting on the fence in terms of him staying or going is hardly presenting the opposite view though is it? Aren't you the one got into a girly catfight with another poster a few weeks ago? The internet equivalent of a hairpulling, name calling, girly fight? EDIT - If yours is the alternative view and your view is the same as the OP on this thread then surely you can see the stupidity of saying that the alternative isn't allowed on here when this thread is now 4 days and 15 pages old? a lot of personal stuff in this reply... girly catfight... stupidity very much a post of put downs towards me... for having a different view than you that is exactly what sid was talking about and how posters get treated on here if they hold a different view... put downs and ridicule I am not interested thanks
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Post by whereami on Apr 2, 2013 13:19:55 GMT
Ok CLP, so your view is that Pulis is the man to take us forward. On what basis? Please provide some facts that demonstrate not only promotion but actual progression / evolution? My view is that almost identical to the OP. TP has done brilliantly for this club. It may be time for him to go, (though personally I would be happy for him to stay) however the man has earned huge respect for what we have achieved with him as manager. The people who abuse him, call for him to 'go now', call him 'the dispicable one' etc etc are a total embarrassment to Stoke City. Good for you. Some of us dont share the view, thus the difference of opinion. Unless you expect everyone to be forced to agree with you on this then there's no argument to make is there?
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 13:26:38 GMT
My view is that almost identical to the OP. TP has done brilliantly for this club. It may be time for him to go, (though personally I would be happy for him to stay) however the man has earned huge respect for what we have achieved with him as manager. The people who abuse him, call for him to 'go now', call him 'the dispicable one' etc etc are a total embarrassment to Stoke City. Good for you. Some of us dont share the view, thus the difference of opinion. Unless you expect everyone to be forced to agree with you on this then there's no argument to make is there? Do I expect everyone to be forced to agree with me? No!! but should that stop me from offering my opinion? No! I don't think so. we generally agree to disagree. Some opinions are swayed by debate but mostly our opinions are set. I have no problem with that.
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 2, 2013 13:28:32 GMT
Ok CLP, so your view is that Pulis is the man to take us forward. On what basis? Please provide some facts that demonstrate not only promotion but actual progression / evolution? My view is that almost identical to the OP. TP has done brilliantly for this club. It may be time for him to go, (though personally I would be happy for him to stay) however the man has earned huge respect for what we have achieved with him as manager. The people who abuse him, call for him to 'go now', call him 'the dispicable one' etc etc are a total embarrassment to Stoke City. Try having all your passion about your beloved club been stripped away from you by a man who plays football that you detest. I am fully within my rights and don't think it's disrespectful at all to call him to go, for what he's done to how I feel about my own football club, I'd say he's getting off pretty lightly. Name calling may be a bit OTT but since when have you got so precious about TP, I don't understand why it bothers you so much, unless you support TP not Stoke? Maybe people would respect him a bit more if he actually showed some respect to the fans. EDIT: It also occurs to me that the majority of the people being rude and abusing other posters are pro-pulis :S
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 2, 2013 13:30:29 GMT
I'm not ridculing so I will reprhase...
Don't you think that arguing that the alternative view isn't allowed on here on a thread that expresses the alternative view and is now 4 days and 16 pages old, yet is still at the top of the board, a little ironic?
Equally, were you to be the individual involved in the girly catfight on here a few weeks ago, surely you can see the irony in your view that those with an alternative view shouldn't be met with unnecessary abuse? If I remember rightly, you weren't backwards in coming forward with some abuse of your own a few weeks ago.
To me, it seems that those of a pro-Pulis persuasion make a point, read the disagreements and when they can't come back with anything worthwhile, throw a hissy fit and retire from the board for a bit or simply retire from the thread.
Out of all those considered to be Pro-Pulis on here, in my opinion, only Okeystokie has come close to giving me what I consider to be a really convincing argument as to why TP should stay beyond the summer. He still posts on here and to the best of my knoweledge hasn't resorted to many of the cheap shots that so many of the Pro-Pulis brigade resort to on an almost daily basis.
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Post by whereami on Apr 2, 2013 13:30:42 GMT
Good for you. Some of us dont share the view, thus the difference of opinion. Unless you expect everyone to be forced to agree with you on this then there's no argument to make is there? Do I expect everyone to be forced to agree with me? No!! but should that stop me from offering my opinion? No! I don't think so. we generally agree to disagree. Some opinions are swayed by debate but mostly our opinions are set. I have no problem with that. Well whats the problem then? Some of us dont think Pulis deserves this endless stream of gratitude that others keep insisting on.. thats all this seems to be about. When has someone stopped you offering an opinion?
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 13:36:24 GMT
My view is that almost identical to the OP. TP has done brilliantly for this club. It may be time for him to go, (though personally I would be happy for him to stay) however the man has earned huge respect for what we have achieved with him as manager. The people who abuse him, call for him to 'go now', call him 'the dispicable one' etc etc are a total embarrassment to Stoke City. Try having all your passion about your beloved club been stripped away from you by a man who plays football that you detest. I am fully within my rights and don't think it's disrespectful at all to call him to go, for what he's done to how I feel about my own football club, I'd say he's getting off pretty lightly. Name calling may be a bit OTT but since when have you got so precious about TP, I don't understand why it bothers you so much, unless you support TP not Stoke? Maybe people would respect him a bit more if he actually showed some respect to the fans. EDIT: It also occurs to me that the majority of the people being rude and abusing other posters are pro-pulis :S The same man who led our club into the prem, took us to an FA cup final and Europa tour... that man who has killed your life long passion for stoke city when you used to have so much fun in the lower leagues with the 9,000 others that used to attend yes I see what you're getting at
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 2, 2013 13:39:32 GMT
Try having all your passion about your beloved club been stripped away from you by a man who plays football that you detest. I am fully within my rights and don't think it's disrespectful at all to call him to go, for what he's done to how I feel about my own football club, I'd say he's getting off pretty lightly. Name calling may be a bit OTT but since when have you got so precious about TP, I don't understand why it bothers you so much, unless you support TP not Stoke? Maybe people would respect him a bit more if he actually showed some respect to the fans. EDIT: It also occurs to me that the majority of the people being rude and abusing other posters are pro-pulis :S The same man who led our club into the prem, took us to an FA cup final and Europa tour... that man who has killed your life long passion for stoke city when you used to have so much fun in the lower leagues with the 9,000 others that used to attend yes I see what you're getting at Yes you have it spot on. It's called being a football fan over a Stoke City fan. Achievements mean fuck all to me if I'm not enjoying it. And no he hasn't killed my lifelong passion, as soon as he goes and I see some more progressive football I'll be just as passionate as I was before. Are you a glory hunter who only enjoys being in the Prem? Cos I sure as hell had a better time when we were in the lower leagues actually trying to win games and even playing better football than we do now.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 2, 2013 13:46:07 GMT
This blip is what so many people have been waiting for. Pulis has proven them wrong for 7 years (which really really hurt some people), and now they've finally got their chance to stick the boot into him after his first bad spell as manager.
Sometimes, things don't always go to plan. Pulis didn't plan this season to turn out like this. He's allowed 1 bad season in every 7 surely? It's moronic to expect constant progress year on year on year. It simply doesn't happen anywhere.
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 13:46:07 GMT
I'm not ridculing so I will reprhase... Don't you think that arguing that the alternative view isn't allowed on here on a thread that expresses the alternative view and is now 4 days and 16 pages old, yet is still at the top of the board, a little ironic? Equally, were you to be the individual involved in the girly catfight on here a few weeks ago, surely you can see the irony in your view that those with an alternative view shouldn't be met with unnecessary abuse? If I remember rightly, you weren't backwards in coming forward with some abuse of your own a few weeks ago. To me, it seems that those of a pro-Pulis persuasion make a point, read the disagreements and when they can't come back with anything worthwhile, throw a hissy fit and retire from the board for a bit or simply retire from the thread. Out of all those considered to be Pro-Pulis on here, in my opinion, only Okeystokie has come close to giving me what I consider to be a really convincing argument as to why TP should stay beyond the summer. He still posts on here and to the best of my knoweledge hasn't resorted to many of the cheap shots that so many of the Pro-Pulis brigade resort to on an almost daily basis. I found Sids comments to be correct. Therefore I have commented in support of him, my comments are clearly not welcome as I have been responded to with the usual hostility. I will not discuss the incident that you describe as a 'girly catfight' as it has nothing to do with this thread or any of these posts. May I say that to bring it up on here in support of your hostility towards me is a bit of a cheap shot
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Post by whereami on Apr 2, 2013 13:49:32 GMT
I'm not ridculing so I will reprhase... Don't you think that arguing that the alternative view isn't allowed on here on a thread that expresses the alternative view and is now 4 days and 16 pages old, yet is still at the top of the board, a little ironic? Equally, were you to be the individual involved in the girly catfight on here a few weeks ago, surely you can see the irony in your view that those with an alternative view shouldn't be met with unnecessary abuse? If I remember rightly, you weren't backwards in coming forward with some abuse of your own a few weeks ago. To me, it seems that those of a pro-Pulis persuasion make a point, read the disagreements and when they can't come back with anything worthwhile, throw a hissy fit and retire from the board for a bit or simply retire from the thread. Out of all those considered to be Pro-Pulis on here, in my opinion, only Okeystokie has come close to giving me what I consider to be a really convincing argument as to why TP should stay beyond the summer. He still posts on here and to the best of my knoweledge hasn't resorted to many of the cheap shots that so many of the Pro-Pulis brigade resort to on an almost daily basis. I found Sids comments to be correct. Therefore I have commented in support of him, my comments are clearly not welcome as I have been responded to with the usual hostility. I will not discuss the incident that you describe as a 'girly catfight' as it has nothing to do with this thread or any of these posts. May I say that to bring it up on here in support of your hostility towards me is a bit of a cheap shot Again, When has someone stopped you offering an opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 14:00:46 GMT
This blip is what so many people have been waiting for. Pulis has proven them wrong for 7 years (which really really hurt some people), and now they've finally got their chance to stick the boot into him after his first bad spell as manager. Sometimes, things don't always go to plan. Pulis didn't plan this season to turn out like this. He's allowed 1 bad season in every 7 surely? It's moronic to expect constant progress year on year on year. It simply doesn't happen anywhere. Bollocks Dave. For years I was hugely pro-Pulis. What evidence is there that it's a blip? We had a dreadful end to last season as well. It's moronic to expect year on year improvement every single season, but why was it moronic to expect it this season, given we had no European distractions, kept our best players and spent another £30m? A relegation battle wasn't inevitable, was it? The one game in which we played really well this season saw us play two proper wingers and Walters and Jones up front, but we've barely seen that side since. Why's that? For the second successive year we're the lowest scorers in the entire pyramid, how do you explain that?
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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 2, 2013 14:03:36 GMT
Just plain bad luck Rob.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 2, 2013 14:06:16 GMT
The lowest scorers thing is an issue but only to a certain degree. If we continue to be very solid defensively (which we haven't been for the last 3 months granted) then it's not that big a deal.
Someone had to be the lowest scorers, just as someone has to be the best defensively.
I just believe that Pulis deserves next season to get things back on track. If next season is this poor, then i'd agree it's time to move on. Not after a few bad months though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 2, 2013 14:07:15 GMT
Your comments on any Stoke related matter are more than welcome CLP. They are not unwanted at all. How do you work that out?
You post something and people will respond should they consider it worthy of response.
I would say ignoring you completely would be tantamount to not wanting the "opposition" on this board rather than responding to argue the toss. Isn't that what a messageboard is all about?
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Post by chattyladypotter on Apr 2, 2013 14:07:48 GMT
The lowest scorers thing is an issue but only to a certain degree. If we continue to be very solid defensively (which we haven't been for the last 3 months granted) then it's not that big a deal. Someone had to be the lowest scorers, just as someone has to be the best defensively. I just believe that Pulis deserves next season to get things back on track. If next season is this poor, then i'd agree it's time to move on. Not after a few bad months though. Get your tin hat on fella ;)
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 2, 2013 14:09:04 GMT
Not after a few bad months though. But it's been 15 months of relegation form :/ And it's SO boring to watch.
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