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Post by oman on Feb 23, 2013 19:35:36 GMT
Eh, his old coach was a bit of a downer like this guy. This doesn't sound like a big deal.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 23, 2013 19:37:56 GMT
Eh, his old coach was a bit of a downer like this guy. This doesn't sound like a big deal. Aye but sometimes people on here read a bit too much into our manager's interviews.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 23, 2013 19:46:51 GMT
Eh, his old coach was a bit of a downer like this guy. This doesn't sound like a big deal. Aye but sometimes people on here read a bit too much into our manager's interviews. What is not ambiguous, is his enthusiasm to back Walters contrasted with his lack of enthusiasm for Shea. He could of perhaps said that Shea did at least reasonably well in his first outing, having been thrown in the deep end. After all, he got us a penalty. But there is no hint of it according to my perception. Its a poor effort in my view, as the player deserved at least some encouraging public response from his manager, not a look of exasperation. The question mark in the title of the thread is to invite others' interpratations of his remarks.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 23, 2013 19:54:07 GMT
The only ones who need to go are the turgid 200. Then the 39,800 can enjoy the amazing success of our club without the fantasy criticism. Or, the only ones who need to go are the deluded, TP lovers who feast on the turgid, dross and tactical cowardice away from home. Then the 39,800 (silly figure) 25,500 (approx) might be able to enjoy the successes at Stoke (with new manager) and without the fantasy led delusion that TP is the best we can employ.
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Post by tonyzicokelly on Feb 23, 2013 19:54:25 GMT
Brek Shea reminds one of Graham Chunky Harbey, except a foot taller.
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Post by rorymscfc on Feb 23, 2013 19:55:58 GMT
I though it was understood right from the start that we probably wouldn't see the best of Shea until next season? To be passing judgement of him on the basis of today is beyond ridiculous.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 23, 2013 20:10:07 GMT
Didn't think he was that bad just doesn't look match fit. I think a home debut V West Ham will say more about him with the crowds behind him. If Mattys injured I have this awful feeling hell start Whitehead wide left.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 23, 2013 20:11:56 GMT
Didn't think he was that bad just doesn't look match fit. I think a home debut V West Ham will say more about him with the crowds behind him. If Mattys injured I have this awful feeling hell start Whitehead wide left. I am a fan of deano but if that happens Pulis out chants before even the start of the game
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Post by philm87 on Feb 23, 2013 20:14:11 GMT
Aye but sometimes people on here read a bit too much into our manager's interviews. What is not ambiguous, is his enthusiasm to back Walters contrasted with his lack of enthusiasm for Shea. He could of perhaps said that Shea did at least reasonably well in his first outing, having been thrown in the deep end. After all, he got us a penalty. But there is no hint of it according to my perception. Its a poor effort in my view, as the player deserved at least some encouraging public response from his manager, not a look of exasperation. The question mark in the title of the thread is to invite others' interpratations of his remarks. I would agree with that but not what you put in the original post. I don't think he was intentionally trying to undermine him or anything like that. I think he sounded downbeat because he was upset about Ethers being injured. I get pissed off when he criticises Jerome and Jones in interviews but I don't think he was doing the same with Shea in this instance.
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Post by mailman44 on Feb 23, 2013 20:18:55 GMT
Shea needs to go? He wasn't the worst Stokie on the pitch by far. Wilson, Whelan, N'zonzi, and Walters were much worse. Of course Tone was once again up to his nonsensical team selection and tactics. The way we lined up today you would have thought we were playing ManUre at OT, not an out of form relegation threatened side.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 23, 2013 20:20:45 GMT
Goals are irrelevant though march eh!?
West brom still getting relegated march?
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Post by mcfcdavid on Feb 23, 2013 20:23:54 GMT
The way the OP made it sound as if he had been released, I'm sure the same was said about Henry, Berkamp, Torres, Silva, Modric, Drogba after difficult starts to their Premeirship career.
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Post by frumpy on Feb 23, 2013 21:01:09 GMT
The end of Brek Shea? A little melodramatic are we?
I don't think anyone, TP, supporters, Brek himself thought he'd come on in the 24th. He looked nervous and rusty the first half, which I don't think should be unexpected, as he hasn't played a game in close to half a year and despite the two friendlies doesn't really have any type of chemistry yet with his mates.
Was there any real negative I could point to? Yeah, his defense has to improve and I think it will. It was his first game in the EPL and it usually takes a bit to get up to the pace. I'd expect improvement next week on that end.
TP playing guys out of position as well as going ultra defensive doesn't help. I can't believe how defensive Stoke were. I know you're usually more defensive on the road than t home, but TP seems far too comfortable just sitting back and hoping to convert barely a handful of chances. When Stoke had opportunities to break/counter, they didn't. When they had opportunities to get numbers forward, most sat back.
Even though Shea's debut was a bit rocky, he did have two of the top 3-4 opportunities on the day, drawing the PK which was horribly taken and settling a cross and putting a shot just wide. Also had one of your better corners at the end, and that he was taking the corner in extra time probably shows a bit more confidence in Shea than "the end of Brek Shea". Even with how rocky his debut was and even with how defensive TP played, along with the questionable lineup Shea still created two of the better opportunities. Should expect a bit more week by week.
I'd be more concerned with TP thinking it's a good idea to play Cameron as an attacking mid, or that Crouch looks like shit yet doesn't have the excuse of this being his debut.
Put it this way, this is probably the worst you'll see Shea look and he still showed to be a bit of a threat at times and clearly improved from one half to the next. He should improve next week and go one from there. But the tactics and lineup selection are far more worrying to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 21:07:59 GMT
March needs some new material.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 21:14:43 GMT
Just to put some kind of context on this. Shea had one more shot on goal from open play than Jon Walters.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 23, 2013 21:16:47 GMT
Just to put some kind of context on this. Shea had one more shot on goal from open play than Jon Walters. & retained possession we he got it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 21:18:49 GMT
Just to put some kind of context on this. Shea had one more shot on goal from open play than Jon Walters. & retained possession we he got it. Stating the obvious isn't my forte ;D.
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Post by pickins on Feb 23, 2013 22:53:40 GMT
. . . stick him in behind Crouch, Walters out right, Kightly out left if we have to. Though he looked fairly comfortable on the ball. Seen far worse debut's from fully fit players.
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2013 23:06:57 GMT
. . . stick him in behind Crouch, Walters out right, Kightly out left if we have to. Though he looked fairly comfortable on the ball. Seen far worse debut's from fully fit players. Have you???? You must be as old as me because the only player who he has outperformed is Des Backos.
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Post by pickins on Feb 23, 2013 23:10:59 GMT
. . . stick him in behind Crouch, Walters out right, Kightly out left if we have to. Though he looked fairly comfortable on the ball. Seen far worse debut's from fully fit players. Have you???? You must be as old as me because the only player who he has outperformed is Des Backos. Well he had a very mild look of creativity about him. Could be the hair I suppose? How anyone can criticise a player in a squad containing Glen Whelan is beyond me.
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Post by Davef on Feb 23, 2013 23:11:32 GMT
Nice to see the usual suspects giving a young debutant with no Premier League experience and coming back from a long-term injury a chance to settle into English football.
And in a team as pathetic as we are away from home as well.
Oooh, but anyone dare criticise a manager with nearly twenty years experience in the game though...
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2013 23:20:25 GMT
Nice to see the usual suspects giving a young debutant with no Premier League experience and coming back from a long-term injury a chance to settle into English football. And in a team as pathetic as we are away from home as well. Oooh, but anyone dare criticise a manager with nearly twenty years experience in the game though... That's a fair point about TP signing him and playing him, because Shea reminded me of Ali Dia at Soton when Souness was manager.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 23, 2013 23:24:04 GMT
Nowt like giving a player a chance. And lets face it, this really is nowt like giving a player a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 23:24:57 GMT
Nice to see the usual suspects giving a young debutant with no Premier League experience and coming back from a long-term injury a chance to settle into English football. And in a team as pathetic as we are away from home as well. Oooh, but anyone dare criticise a manager with nearly twenty years experience in the game though... That's a fair point about TP signing him and playing him, because Shea reminded me of Ali Dia at Soton when Souness was manager. That's a damning indictment of the manager. He's admitted that he's scouted Shea for 3 years and he personally travelled half the length of the UK on deadline day to get him a work permit. You don't rate Pulis much do you? You say you do but what you actually say in your posts tells a very different story.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 23, 2013 23:26:18 GMT
He was thrown in earlier than we and though but he did well for me and with the right coaching(shit its us) he could (with any other team) will be a good player.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 23, 2013 23:33:52 GMT
Thought it was a reasonable debut by him and I hope the manager gives him a reasonable chance.
just thought it was disappointing that the manager could bring himself to describe Walters' effort as good penalty, but seemed so dismissive of Shea's efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 0:07:17 GMT
Did Our Tone talk about Shea in a Radio Stoke post match interview (with Nige)?? Anyone seen an iPlayer link if there was?
I think some posters are too quick to hear what they want to hear. In almost 20-secs Our Tone says, roughly, "the lad looked a bit off the pace".
Seems fair enough, really, he did definately look a bit off the pace.
Yes, Our Tone could have said, "He's f**king useless; I told that c**t Rudge - before I had him shot - that 'is mate Inchy 'Eath knew f**k all. But would he listen? Would he bollox! Now we've been saddled with a guy with three left feet who can't walk any faster than me granny"
... but he didn't say that ... He just said, roughly, "he looked a bit off the pace" (unsurprisingly). But then the slighly over-dramatic reading of the interview, on 'ere, is hardly a stupendous surprise, is it?
(indeed, slightly related, Our Tone didn't actually say SUPER Jon would be taking our next penalty. He merely said SUPER Jon would want to take it. But on 'ere, after interpretation, it seems he said, "SUPER Jon will still be taking the penalties for Stoke when I'm dead".
Honestly, nevermind T-Shirts, Rob and the boys on here should be moving into Stoke Hearing Aids, they'd make a packet
Anyway ... I thought the kiddie looked owrate. He's big enough and quick enough ... Just needs to get "up and at 'em" a bit more when defending and be a bit quicker thinking when attacking.
But as someone says above, I have seen far, far, far, far worse debuts for us than that one.
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Post by march4 on Feb 24, 2013 0:27:45 GMT
That's a fair point about TP signing him and playing him, because Shea reminded me of Ali Dia at Soton when Souness was manager. That's a damning indictment of the manager. He's admitted that he's scouted Shea for 3 years and he personally travelled half the length of the UK on deadline day to get him a work permit. You don't rate Pulis much do you? You say you do but what you actually say in your posts tells a very different story. On the contrary. Something is going on at SCFC at the moment as I'm sure you have noticed. Could a newly appointed person leave in the near future?
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Post by The man from Utch on Feb 24, 2013 1:00:40 GMT
I thought he did well all things considered.
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Post by whereami on Feb 24, 2013 1:17:29 GMT
That's a damning indictment of the manager. He's admitted that he's scouted Shea for 3 years and he personally travelled half the length of the UK on deadline day to get him a work permit. You don't rate Pulis much do you? You say you do but what you actually say in your posts tells a very different story. On the contrary. Something is going on at SCFC at the moment as I'm sure you have noticed. Could a newly appointed person leave in the near future? Oh I get it now, youre taking a massively anti-Shea stance because it apparently wasnt TFP who signed him? Not your best effort this one - any wind up that you have to explain after you've started is guaranteed to fall flat. Must try harder next time
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