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Post by philm87 on Feb 23, 2013 19:21:45 GMT
Dunno exactly. But if you wanted it to be representative of Stoke fans in general you wouldn't necessarily do it on this MB. I'm not really too bothered which way this imaginary poll would come out. I haven't tried to twist the figures to fit an argument. If you think I'm just saying this because I'm in love with Pulis or something ridiculous (which quite a few people on here seem to think) then just read my response to March above. I very much doubt that such a poll would really count as valid evidence in support of any generalization about the current views of our supporter base... although of course I may be wrong. Yes I do think you are 'in love' with TP, but that's besides the point. If it was marginal then fair enough but it's twice as many, it's a landslide, any political party would be over the moon even if the sample size was a 100! You can think of no number whatsoever that would satisfy your conditions of a valid poll? Amazing. Ok then 200 people. You take a random sample of 200 ST holders with the question: Should we sack our manager? Yes or No? It might come out the same as the poll on this MB but I doubt it as the latter is not a random selection of our entire support base. The political parties analogy... so what? What is your point? Just put aside to one minute the fact that you think I love Pulis and ask what you think a social scientist or someone with experience in collecting and analysing data like this would make of the conversation we have been having for the last two pages. As I say I may be wrong because I'm not an expert on this but I would be willing to bet a few quid they would be pissing themselves laughing at us.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 23, 2013 19:25:43 GMT
Yeah I would suspect that too. They wouldn't be devastated. Not the same thing as them wanting him out though. It would also depend on who the replacement was. Indeed but I still find that in itself quite incredible, considering where we currently sit and where we have been finishing in the table. The football must be really, really bad ... Yep that seems a pretty much unavoidable conclusion based on the last 18 months. Worth mentioning though that we are still very good defensively and that presumably counts as football too? Unfortunately it's just not as exciting to watch.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 23, 2013 19:30:13 GMT
The only thing it could be is the way we play, ... It's beginning to dawn is it? if some are unhappy about where we are in the league they should go and support Man U. Absolute tosh! I don't think there has been much criticism of the league position as such - more to do with the sterile, mind numbing, abject negativity, tactical cowardice and man management/team selection incompetence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 19:31:21 GMT
Indeed but I still find that in itself quite incredible, considering where we currently sit and where we have been finishing in the table. The football must be really, really bad ... Yep that seems a pretty much unavoidable conclusion based on the last 18 months. Worth mentioning though that we are still very good defensively and that presumably counts as football too? Unfortunately it's just not as exciting to watch. We are only good at defending because we have 9 men doing the defending and it's always at the expense of any attacking creativity whatsoever. People will only put up with paying good money to watch football that doesn't consist of flair and attacking capabilities for so long. Rightly so in my opinion. We are a fucking embarrassment and I hope we are never on telly again whilst this clown is in charge.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2013 19:40:57 GMT
Yes I do think you are 'in love' with TP, but that's besides the point. If it was marginal then fair enough but it's twice as many, it's a landslide, any political party would be over the moon even if the sample size was a 100! You can think of no number whatsoever that would satisfy your conditions of a valid poll? Amazing. Ok then 200 people. You take a random sample of 200 ST holders with the question: Should we sack our manager? Yes or No? It might come out the same as the poll on this MB but I doubt it as the latter is not a random selection of our entire support base. The political parties analogy... so what? What is your point? Just put aside to one minute the fact that you think I love Pulis and ask what you think a social scientist or someone with experience in collecting and analysing data like this would make of the conversation we have been having for the last two pages. As I say I may be wrong because I'm not an expert on this but I would be willing to bet a few quid they would be pissing themselves laughing at us. If the poll on this MB is not a random selection of our supporter base then I fail to see what could be. Ok so it's 200 season ticket holders, and that would be a better indication of supporter feeling than 320 odd voting on here. At least that's clear. Ridiculous, but clear.
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Post by nodders on Feb 23, 2013 20:06:44 GMT
Evening ladies and gents, first post after lurking around and reading the board every day for years.
As a child of the 1960s and season ticket holder during the dark days of our campaign in the old 3rd division, I have watched my fair share of crap over the years home and away. But it was crap produced by my Stoke and in a strange way it was always an honour to be there and suffer with everyone else. To see the same faces in the crowd and stand on the same cracked piece of concrete in the Butler Street Paddock, was a great experience.
And so fast forward to today and our 5th season in the Premier League, its still great to be here and we should never take it for granted. We should be enormously grateful to the Pulis/Coates axis and everything they have done for us, but as is human nature, its difficult to not want more.
I have to reluctantly admit I just voted for Pulis to go and that scares me a little bit, because the grass might not be greener if he does go. If he gets us back to playing 100mph football, high up the field and hunting the opposition down with a rabid pack mentality then he,all do for me. If he can't and persists with his square pegs in round holes ideology, then it might just be time for a change.
But, if he leaves and then it all goes pear shaped,? There is an old saying that you don't know what you've got until its gone, let's hope we don't find out the hard way.
Nodders
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Post by richlittle on Feb 23, 2013 20:08:12 GMT
You got me there potterlog .i was trying to be all 'lessay fare' with my previous post.now iv bin hoist by my own petard.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 23, 2013 20:21:51 GMT
"We" can't sack Pulis.
Coates can.
IMO he won't even consider it unless things get much, much worse.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 23, 2013 20:23:52 GMT
Ok then 200 people. You take a random sample of 200 ST holders with the question: Should we sack our manager? Yes or No? It might come out the same as the poll on this MB but I doubt it as the latter is not a random selection of our entire support base. The political parties analogy... so what? What is your point? Just put aside to one minute the fact that you think I love Pulis and ask what you think a social scientist or someone with experience in collecting and analysing data like this would make of the conversation we have been having for the last two pages. As I say I may be wrong because I'm not an expert on this but I would be willing to bet a few quid they would be pissing themselves laughing at us. If the poll on this MB is not a random selection of our supporter base then I fail to see what could be. Ok so it's 200 season ticket holders, and that would be a better indication of supporter feeling than 320 odd voting on here. At least that's clear. Ridiculous, but clear. I'm sorry this all so confusing for you. I say I might be wrong, but I very much doubt it.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 23, 2013 20:25:28 GMT
"We" can't sack Pulis. Coates can. IMO he won't even consider it unless things get much, much worse. Foxy i know you are still hanging on in the hope that he will change and be a bit more flamboyant with his approach but deep down you know it isnt going to happen. Its not even a difficult decision for me after today, i purposefully sat there glued to the screen watching the tactics, approach, him etc and feel that our players are 50 % better than they are allowed to be by him and there is no way back for him with me.
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Post by tony harrison on Feb 23, 2013 20:50:34 GMT
OUT!
enough is enough, dire football.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 23, 2013 21:08:55 GMT
"We" can't sack Pulis. Coates can. IMO he won't even consider it unless things get much, much worse. I know what you mean but I think on one level, it is the fans that determine whether the decision is made to sack him. Attendances will play a massive role I think. Be very interesting to see how many we take to Newcastle and Everton. At a guess not very many.
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Post by scfcphill on Feb 23, 2013 21:25:27 GMT
+1
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 23, 2013 21:32:28 GMT
Not wanting to sound like a West Brom fan during our first season in the Prem when the Moanbray mob all agreed they'd rather go down than play like us BUT I am pig sick of it.
Fed up of seeing Ryan bang it up to the inept and unsupported Crouch. TP has turned a decent player in Crouch into a pale imitation of Mama. He's doing no favours to Ryan either.
Embarrassed that we struggle to play 3 forward passes without one of them being a hoof.
Pissed off that I no longer want to go to away games. Everton will be my last this year. Chuffed to bits I'm not going to Newcastle.
As for 66/68%...from the 20 or so I know, it isn't representative at all. ALL think he should go at the end of the season now. I was in the minority of us lot when he came back in being happy.
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Post by david1955 on Feb 23, 2013 21:44:24 GMT
hit the nail on the head - players are 50% better than they are allowed to be. We are shit to watch home and away - so embarrassed. Move TP upstairs and get someone in who has more than 1 way of playing. and I am of the same excuses for every away game. Does tony watch the same games as us. Yes I will get my season tickets for the 41st year but it has been the closest I have ever been to saying forget it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 21:45:52 GMT
Indeed but I still find that in itself quite incredible, considering where we currently sit and where we have been finishing in the table. The football must be really, really bad ... Yep that seems a pretty much unavoidable conclusion based on the last 18 months. Worth mentioning though that we are still very good defensively and that presumably counts as football too? Unfortunately it's just not as exciting to watch. we have been shambolic defensively for some time now. we haven't kept a clean sheet for some time. considering we commit almost all of our outfield players to defending constantly for 90 minutes, that is pretty shit. Pulis is a total arse. i've just moved back to stoke to work mon-fri and now hear a lot more of him on radio stoke. i've noticed that all he ever talks about is doin it all for the coates family. it's not for the fans, just the coates family. he's in the wrong game to be honest. this IS about the fans, and his teams should be going out to try and win games, score goals and send the fans home happy. there is room for pragmatism and hard fought points, but sometimes you need to try to entertain your supporters rather than treat them with complete and total disdain. its gone too far, well done tony for getting us in to the prem (credit for that for me should be attributed 70% ricardo fuller, 20% peter coates, 10% tony pulis), but please just go now, it's been too long and its time for a change.
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Post by swipers on Feb 23, 2013 22:20:14 GMT
Time to go Clueless!!
Please fuck off before you fuck us up!!
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Post by owdestokie on Feb 23, 2013 22:26:44 GMT
Crock of shit.....just go to the home games then. The "small" number of usual suspects on here will do all they can to destroy what we have to fulfil their own personal agenda against the manager. Fuck the long term affects for the club
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 22:30:25 GMT
Crock of shit.....just go to the home games then. The "small" number of usual suspects on here will do all they can to destroy what we have to fulfil their own personal agenda against the manager. Fuck the long term affects for the club The home games are not great though are they. I wouldn't call the number of fans who are unhappy "small" either. There are many people on here who are usually moderate in their views who are totally pissed off with the manager, to say its the usual suspects does them a disservice
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Post by RAF on Feb 23, 2013 22:31:55 GMT
Crock of shit.....just go to the home games then. The "small" number of usual suspects on here will do all they can to destroy what we have to fulfil their own personal agenda against the manager. Fuck the long term affects for the club Why do you post on here if you dislike the views so much? Take a piece of your own advice and go away until there are posts that make you happy. H
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 23, 2013 22:33:33 GMT
sack or keep, but one thing that cannot be alowed to hapen is for TP to go upstairs. No interest in the Academy and I want him nowhere near formulating footbal policy at SCFC when he finished as a manager.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 22:35:57 GMT
sack or keep, but one thing that cannot be alowed to hapen is for TP to go upstairs. No interest in the Academy and I want him nowhere near formulating footbal policy at SCFC when he finished as a manager. Moving TP upstairs would be a disaster. We know what happens when he throws his toys out....
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Post by watcher on Feb 23, 2013 22:36:57 GMT
I always had holloway down as a replacement with pulis upstairs!I just cant see him leaving in any form
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 22:38:16 GMT
Crock of shit.....just go to the home games then. The "small" number of usual suspects on here will do all they can to destroy what we have to fulfil their own personal agenda against the manager. Fuck the long term affects for the club i respect your opinion owdestokie but i think you're out of touch. i don't think it is just a smally minority that are pissed off. i would venture to say that i think most people are fed up with the style of football. these things can change quickly eg over christmas when we had the liverpool and southampton games, people were a lot happier as it seemed we may try to start attacking teams. but the approach since the cup final season overall has been atrocious and i think the current style of football, and money being squandered on 'star' players that do not fit in or never play, is far more damaging to the club. the long term prospects for the club lie in sound financial management and the right people being in the boardroom whilst the fans still come through the turnstiles. tony pulis is not the embodiment of the long term health of this club. he's just a football manager and there are lots of better managers than him out there.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 23, 2013 22:40:34 GMT
Crock of shit.....just go to the home games then. The "small" number of usual suspects on here will do all they can to destroy what we have to fulfil their own personal agenda against the manager. Fuck the long term affects for the club i respect your opinion owdestokie but i think you're out of touch. i don't think it is just a smally minority that are pissed off. i would venture to say that i think most people are fed up with the style of football. these things can change quickly eg over christmas when we had the liverpool and southampton games, people were a lot happier as it seemed we may try to start attacking teams. but the approach since the cup final season overall has been atrocious and i think the current style of football, and money being squandered on 'star' players that do not fit in or never play, is far more damaging to the club. the long term prospects for the club lie in sound financial management and the right people being in the boardroom whilst the fans still come through the turnstiles. tony pulis is not the embodiment of the long term health of this club. he's just a football manager and there are lots of better managers than him out there. +1
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 23, 2013 22:42:28 GMT
Crock of shit.....just go to the home games then. The "small" number of usual suspects on here will do all they can to destroy what we have to fulfil their own personal agenda against the manager. Fuck the long term affects for the club So how long do you think we should give him? Taking into account the one years sabbatical / gardening leave we have put up with 10 years of mainly humdrum dross. When will enough be enough for some of you? Its about the club not the manager, so after said 10 years what exactly is your idea of the long term ambition under TP?
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 23, 2013 23:07:49 GMT
"We" can't sack Pulis. Coates can. IMO he won't even consider it unless things get much, much worse. Foxy i know you are still hanging on in the hope that he will change and be a bit more flamboyant with his approach but deep down you know it isnt going to happen. Its not even a difficult decision for me after today, i purposefully sat there glued to the screen watching the tactics, approach, him etc and feel that our players are 50 % better than they are allowed to be by him and there is no way back for him with me. It's not really that mate. I don't really expect Pulis to change. I would like him to go back to doing what he does best but I'm not sure he can. My position now is firmly "better the devil you know". Pulis is flawed, but not fatally so. Our future as a club, I think is relatively secure in his stubborn hands. My fear is that we boot him and replace him with the wrong man potentially ushering in a new dark age. Lets be honest, our track record in managerial appointments is hardly reassuring. It's a gamble and, IMO, you don't gamble with serious stakes till you really have to. Currently, we don't.
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2013 23:10:52 GMT
Foxy i know you are still hanging on in the hope that he will change and be a bit more flamboyant with his approach but deep down you know it isnt going to happen. Its not even a difficult decision for me after today, i purposefully sat there glued to the screen watching the tactics, approach, him etc and feel that our players are 50 % better than they are allowed to be by him and there is no way back for him with me. It's not really that mate. I don't really expect Pulis to change. I would like him to go back to doing what he does best but I'm not sure he can. My position now is firmly "better the devil you know". Pulis is flawed, but not fatally so. Our future as a club, I think is relatively secure in his stubborn hands. My fear is that we boot him and replace him with the wrong man potentially ushering in a new dark age. Lets be honest, our track record in managerial appointments is hardly reassuring. It's a gamble and, IMO, you don't gamble with serious stakes till you really have to. Currently, we don't. He's right JSU.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 23:12:46 GMT
It's not really that mate. I don't really expect Pulis to change. I would like him to go back to doing what he does best but I'm not sure he can. My position now is firmly "better the devil you know". Pulis is flawed, but not fatally so. Our future as a club, I think is relatively secure in his stubborn hands. My fear is that we boot him and replace him with the wrong man potentially ushering in a new dark age. Lets be honest, our track record in managerial appointments is hardly reassuring. It's a gamble and, IMO, you don't gamble with serious stakes till you really have to. Currently, we don't. He's right JSU. In your opinion and to be honest mate, your opinion doesn't count for a lot after some of the rubbish you've posted tonight.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 23, 2013 23:30:13 GMT
Foxy i know you are still hanging on in the hope that he will change and be a bit more flamboyant with his approach but deep down you know it isnt going to happen. Its not even a difficult decision for me after today, i purposefully sat there glued to the screen watching the tactics, approach, him etc and feel that our players are 50 % better than they are allowed to be by him and there is no way back for him with me. It's not really that mate. I don't really expect Pulis to change. I would like him to go back to doing what he does best but I'm not sure he can. My position now is firmly "better the devil you know". Pulis is flawed, but not fatally so. Our future as a club, I think is relatively secure in his stubborn hands. My fear is that we boot him and replace him with the wrong man potentially ushering in a new dark age. Lets be honest, our track record in managerial appointments is hardly reassuring.It's a gamble and, IMO, you don't gamble with serious stakes till you really have to. Currently, we don't. In what context though? We are now a completely different animal to the club that had to make it's last managerial appointment. We are locally owned by a fuck off mega rich family, who are prepared to give their manager time. We own our own stadium and state of the art training facilities and we have plenty of money to compete in the transfer market. We are a top flight proposition for almost any manager out there and we would have a completely different pool of fish to fish in compared to where we've had to fish before. And I don't believe for a single second that Denise or Peter would fook that opportunity up ... not for a second.
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