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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:11:08 GMT
Try scoring a goal! Doh!! I didn't think of that. Must try harder.
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:13:45 GMT
Rob. Why do we not have a choice after five years and 95 mill. You need to ask Tony Pulis that. I would have been happy with a nil-nil draw yesterday. With the chance of snatching one at the death. Better tha a one nought loss.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 3, 2013 13:15:00 GMT
Is there anyone in this division that you think we should travel to and compete with as equals (or at least, as a fellow Premier League club, rather than acting like a non-league side in a cup tie), and, God forbid, try and win a game of football? West Brom don't count by the way, we could field our promotion-winning side and probably nick a win against them. 1 away win in 22, 3 goals in 9 away games...surely even the Pulis mafia must, deep down, realise it's getting a bit ridiculous now. And if not, why not? Credit, by the way, to those who travelled today. I just hope the rest of your day/weekend in London made up for the predictable puddle of horse-wank served up again. Apologies for being controversial, but I think we competed on equal terms at Reading and Wigan, and more than deserved a draw on both occassions.. Your sincerely.. A Stoke Supporter  Would that be the Reading game where we sat back and allowed a limited side to come at us for most of the second half, thus spunking away two points? As for Wigan- great game. We created more in that game than any away match since promotion, and Adam did what we know he can do and ran the show- because the manager hadn't had the opportunity to drain the positivity out of him at that stage. Shame Wigan was the exception rather than the first signs of progression. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2013 13:15:28 GMT
Try scoring a goal! Doh!! I didn't think of that. Must try harder. It'd be nice, wouldn't it? We scored 4 goals away in open play last year and have managed 3 this season. |
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:18:23 GMT
So it's obviously not that simple then. Usually cause they stick 11 men in the way who are all a lot more gifted, expensive, better etc
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Post by thehoof on Feb 3, 2013 13:18:49 GMT
Dodgy,
I know that you can't win if you dont score - 10 men behind the ball means that you dont score.Its simple enough that you and your manger friend should be able to get your head around it. Then again, probably not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 13:19:12 GMT
Rob. Why do we not have a choice after five years and 95 mill. You need to ask Tony Pulis that. I would have been happy with a nil-nil draw yesterday. With the chance of snatching one at the death. Better tha a one nought loss. That's my point Dodgy - it doesn't have to be like this - it's all up to Tony. We went to Man Utd and had a go and Chelsea - if we're going to lose might as well go down fighting? |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 3, 2013 13:19:18 GMT
People spend a lot of money travelling to watch their team and to not even try and win is a slap in the face to them. It seems that most of the moaning is from people who didn't go. I only heard one or two moaning all day at the game and travelling home. |
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Post by werrington on Feb 3, 2013 13:23:09 GMT
People spend a lot of money travelling to watch their team and to not even try and win is a slap in the face to them. It seems that most of the moaning is from people who didn't go. I only heard one or two moaning all day at the game and travelling home. Did you moan at Swansea then ?....or Villa etc etc ? |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 3, 2013 13:26:15 GMT
It seems that most of the moaning is from people who didn't go. I only heard one or two moaning all day at the game and travelling home. Did you moan at Swansea then ?....or Villa etc etc ? No I didn't, but you no doubt did. |
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Post by werrington on Feb 3, 2013 13:27:02 GMT
Did you moan at Swansea then ?....or Villa etc etc ? No I didn't, but you no doubt did. Yeah i did |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2013 13:27:02 GMT
Goals from open play over the last 2 seasons
Newcastle 61
Swansea 59
Everton 58
Fulham 48
WBA 46
Villa 44
Norwich 43
Sunderland 42
Wigan 40
QPR 39
Stoke 23
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Post by thehoof on Feb 3, 2013 13:27:36 GMT
Shifty - you may well be right - I swore I would'nt go to another away game after paying over £100 to witness the "bonus Game" at the Etihad - over 40 awy games in the 5 years and I've been lucky enough to see 7 of our away wins (even if 4 were at WBA). If parking the Bus is all that it's about then fine.
I've learned in the 40 games that usually: the opposition score first half and we then defend a 1-0 defeat (usually conceding a second with 5 minutes to go), or the defense plays heroically and we concede the winner in the last 5 minutes
Just for Dodgy, does he realise that our GD away from home is -87?
Must try harder D'oh really does not do justice to people who have frittered lots of money in the last 5 years to be treated to such negative away tactics.
Now no doubt I'll get the "well don't go then" - and as I say, away days no longer are for me.
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:28:07 GMT
The Hoof. The reason why we do it is that if we stick ten men behind the ball, we can contain them and break out and possbly score, Almost worked yesterday. What would you have us do. sweep majestically down the wing and turn three players inside out. Get real. If it's such a lousy tactic why do we do it all the time away from home. Do you know better than Tony Pulis? I know yoyu are going to say it's not working but it's better than getting skinned alive like Blackburn and it could work.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 3, 2013 13:29:01 GMT
Goals from open play over the last 2 seasons Swansea 59 Fulham 48 WBA 46 Villa 44 Norwich 43 Sunderland 42 Wigan 40 QPR 39 Stoke 23  I honestly didn't realise it was quite that shocking. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 13:29:58 GMT
The Hoof. The reason why we do it is that if we stick ten men behind the ball, we can contain them and break out and possbly score, Almost worked yesterday. What would you have us do. sweep majestically down the wing and turn three players inside out. Get real. If it's such a lousy tactic why do we do it all the time away from home. Do you know better than Tony Pulis? I know yoyu are going to say it's not working but it's better than getting skinned alive like Blackburn and it could work. If it's such an effective tactic why are we so utterly shit away from home? |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 3, 2013 13:32:37 GMT
No I didn't, but you no doubt did. Yeah i did Predictable. As others have said life is too short to moan, I prefer to enjoy our time in the Prem. League. |
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Post by thehoof on Feb 3, 2013 13:38:11 GMT
Dodgy
P89 W14 D25 L50 F60 A147
Please don't tell me that parking the bus is an effective tactic. These figures just make you look not too bright.
And I don't mean to be personal, but this is reality, not "what if"?
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:50:21 GMT
So you know better than Tony Pulis and the entire Stoke management do you?
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Post by boothenesque on Feb 3, 2013 13:52:35 GMT
Is there anyone in this division that you think we should travel to and compete with as equals (or at least, as a fellow Premier League club, rather than acting like a non-league side in a cup tie), and, God forbid, try and win a game of football? Certainly got a point. For the number of points we pick up each season, compared to a strong home form that pretty much keeps us up, I fail to see why we don't simply play the same game away from home as we do at home. I mean there is not a lot to lose because we don't get much away. logic would say that if we played the same away as we do at home we could hardly do worse and more likely would do better. It would seem therefore logical to try and get more points by playing to our strengths like we generally do at home. Anyone know why there is this unwritten rule to play differently away (for all teams). I mean why not just go for it every game? I would say I was a Pulister simply because of his record to date, where we were and where we are now. Some of the stick he gets for that is disgusting. However it is like we may aswell stay at home and concede the points with so many games away. it is so predictable - we will never go for it against ManU, ManC, Chelsea, Arsenal and a couple of others. There are a couple that we target for wins and the rest it's shut up shop and try and nick a 0-0. It is terribly predictable and frustrating but what I fail to see is why that is necessary. If we're banking on staying up on the home form then all the away games are like a bonus and we may aswell just go for it because in effect there is nothing to lose. Really can't figure that one out and as a staunch Pulister it's hard if not impossible to defend. Getting rid of Pulis is a massive gamble though. It's not just Charlton, there is Wolves, Birmingham, Ipswich, Derby, Leeds and many other clubs that have either ditched their manager, chased an unrealisable dream, changed things, and look where they are now and how long were we in the wilderness. If we gamble to get higher than 10th then how much higher....8th, 6th? 8th or 6th still doesn't qualify. 5th is Europa and is that good or bad? If the gamble failed then it's the pressure of relegation scraps and possibly relegation. Boring middle table in the PL is more than most who remember the wilderness years could ever have dreamed of, it was light years away. Pulis has delivered. Yes sometimes it's very frustrating. On the radio you have Spurs fans whining, Chelsea fans, Arsenal fans and look where they are. Just whining about someone who on balance has delivered helps how? He is a stubborn bastard though I'll concede that. In the long run though, the development on and off the field are nudging us forward and creating a solid foundation that will be there to build on when the time is right. |
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:55:12 GMT
Hoof. You talk about reality. It's easy to come on here saying we should do this or we should do that. We should sweep down the wing like Lionel Messi etc. But this is the real world and Tony Pulis lives in it. Not some fantasy. And he is sure as hell trying tio do the best for this footballl club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 13:56:51 GMT
So you know better than Tony Pulis and the entire Stoke management do you? Mate come on, this is a bankrupt argument. You're effectively saying fans have no right to an opinion. We are terrible away from home so on that basis is it really unfair to suggest the current approach isn't working? |
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:59:53 GMT
Rob we are going round in circles. What I'm saying is that if Tony Pulis decides that is a valid way of playing football and setting ourselves up away from home then that is ok by a large proportion of fans. He has got the credentials and track record to justify our faith in his tactics.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 3, 2013 13:59:56 GMT
The Hoof. The reason why we do it is that if we stick ten men behind the ball, we can contain them and break out and possbly score, Almost worked yesterday. What would you have us do. sweep majestically down the wing and turn three players inside out. Get real. If it's such a lousy tactic why do we do it all the time away from home. Do you know better than Tony Pulis? I know yoyu are going to say it's not working but it's better than getting skinned alive like Blackburn and it could work. It hasn't worked. The year Blackburn got relegated they picked up 12 points which is terrible ( the same as we got in 2010-11 !) We got 16 points away from home last season. Last year Blackburn's GD away from home was -23, ours was -22. We are crap away from home. Our results are as negative as our approach to the games. We play the same away from home at championship sides like Palace as we do against Champions League sides like Arsenal. It does not work. I have seen us concede 7 at Chelsea and 5 at Bolton ( who were relegated) whilst playing for a 0-0 and then trying to protect a 1 or 2-0 defeat. It does not work. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 14:02:00 GMT
Rob we are going round in circles. What I'm saying is that if Tony Pulis decides that is a valid way of playing football and setting ourselves up away from home then that is ok by a large proportion of fans. He has got the credentials and track record to justify our faith in his tactics. For how much longer though? Given that it's dire to watch and not working? |
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 14:02:37 GMT
It may not be working but what choice do we have? Almost worked at Chelsea and Arsenal. On other days it would have worked. Got us a point at Liverpool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 14:06:01 GMT
It may not be working but what choice do we have? Almost worked at Chelsea and Arsenal. On other days it would have worked. Got us a point at Liverpool. The choice is to try a different approach and try and take it to teams more. We've spent a lot of money, we have some good players, there's no reason why not. It didn't 'almost work' yesterday. It rarely does work. We're always one of the league's worst away teams which suggests that other teams manage to do better away from home without being relegated. |
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 14:08:50 GMT
ok ok, say we abandon our negative tactics and go all out to win and lose 7-1. Which we could do easily against a superior side. Can you imagine the effect on our morale? Next week when we have Reading at home we may just lack the confidence to win. .
I repeat, we did well yesterday, still lost, but we can take positives from the defeat. And before anyone else says 'it's not working' I KNOW IT'S NOT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 14:12:26 GMT
ok ok, say we abandon our negative tactics and go all out to win and lose 7-1. Which we could do easily against a superior side. Can you imagine the effect on our morale? Next week when we have Reading at home we may just lack the confidence to win. . I repeat, we did well yesterday, still lost, but we can take positives from the defeat. And before anyone else says 'it's not working' I KNOW IT'S NOT There's plenty of middle ground between playing for a 0-0 and 'going all out' though isn't there? |
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 14:13:17 GMT
I trust in Tony Pulis. I know we are getting nowhere fast at the moment but it will turn around. He got us here. Let's not turn against him just yet.
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