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Post by thevoid on Feb 2, 2013 23:30:06 GMT
Is there anyone in this division that you think we should travel to and compete with as equals (or at least, as a fellow Premier League club, rather than acting like a non-league side in a cup tie), and, God forbid, try and win a game of football?
West Brom don't count by the way, we could field our promotion-winning side and probably nick a win against them.
1 away win in 22, 3 goals in 9 away games...surely even the Pulis mafia must, deep down, realise it's getting a bit ridiculous now. And if not, why not?
Credit, by the way, to those who travelled today. I just hope the rest of your day/weekend in London made up for the predictable puddle of horse-wank served up again.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 3, 2013 0:08:20 GMT
Are you really suggesting that anyone who doesn't want the manager sacked immediately wants us to play for 0-0 draws away from home every other week?
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Post by jbdotco on Feb 3, 2013 0:11:20 GMT
Are you really suggesting that anyone who doesn't want the manager sacked immediately wants us to play for 0-0 draws away from home every other week? We were just walking along like it was any other day, but suddenly thevoid stopped in his tracks. "What's that?" he asked with a curious gaze. "That my good man, is middle ground."
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Post by elystokie on Feb 3, 2013 0:16:23 GMT
Are you really suggesting that anyone who doesn't want the manager sacked immediately wants us to play for 0-0 draws away from home every other week? Going purely by the last 5 years I'd say the two were mutually exclusive
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Post by thevoid on Feb 3, 2013 0:19:27 GMT
Are you really suggesting that anyone who doesn't want the manager sacked immediately wants us to play for 0-0 draws away from home every other week? We were just walking along like it was any other day, but suddenly thevoid stopped in his tracks. "What's that?" he asked with a curious gaze. "That my good man, is middle ground." There's a reason I put 'hardliners' in the title, I'm well aware there is a middle ground. There are some fanatics on here who will justify our approach away from home no matter who the opposition. One of them even thought the Swansea surrender was a ploy by the manager to get more transfer funds, and thought this was acceptable practice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 0:33:45 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 3, 2013 0:51:46 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. I'm glad you noticed that too. Yet I'M the politician apparently ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 0:55:03 GMT
Hugely disagree with you about Di Canio though Voidy
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Post by thevoid on Feb 3, 2013 1:03:26 GMT
Hugely disagree with you about Di Canio though Voidy I can see why some people would mate. Perhaps, metaphorically speaking, Di Canio is a bit like a flirtation with someone dangerous and exciting after years of marriage and dull sex in a relationship that's gone stale. You know it's wrong, deep down, but there's something exciting and different that just hooks you in
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Post by Pricey on Feb 3, 2013 1:14:21 GMT
Hugely disagree with you about Di Canio though Voidy I can see why some people would mate. Perhaps, metaphorically speaking, Di Canio is a bit like a flirtation with someone dangerous and exciting after years of marriage and dull sex in a relationship that's gone stale. You know it's wrong, deep down, but there's something exciting and different that just hooks you in
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Post by spirered on Feb 3, 2013 9:08:21 GMT
Is there anyone in this division that you think we should travel to and compete with as equals (or at least, as a fellow Premier League club, rather than acting like a non-league side in a cup tie), and, God forbid, try and win a game of football? West Brom don't count by the way, we could field our promotion-winning side and probably nick a win against them. 1 away win in 22, 3 goals in 9 away games...surely even the Pulis mafia must, deep down, realise it's getting a bit ridiculous now. And if not, why not? Credit, by the way, to those who travelled today. I just hope the rest of your day/weekend in London made up for the predictable puddle of horse-wank served up again. Apologies for being controversial, but I think we competed on equal terms at Reading and Wigan, and more than deserved a draw on both occassions.. Your sincerely.. A Stoke Supporter
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Feb 3, 2013 9:18:06 GMT
As a staunch pulis fan last season, i have gone to 50/50 at this time. I would expect stoke to lose away to man utd, man city , arsenal, tottenham, chelsea, everton, liverpool and also to struggle their to actually amount much attacking play. The rest of the division i would expect us to have a good go. I think the swansea game recently for me was the one that i found most frustrating. Also that game as made me and many stoke fans realise how nice it is to see good football from a team i see weaker than us.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 3, 2013 9:27:48 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 9:32:36 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. No it's because you can't think of a good answer that doesn't make Pulis look inept.
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Post by poethebald on Feb 3, 2013 9:39:06 GMT
Couldnt agree more Stafford.....ive never seen so much antagonistic bile as there is on here just lately posted by the Pulis out brigade. Of course we would all like to go to all premiership grounds and get a result.Of course we would all like a better points return from away games.However, we are where we are,playing the way we are(at the moment)and a little bit of realism on some peoples parts wouldnt go a miss.We need to pull together and support the team and dare i say it MANAGER.
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Post by buddyfolly on Feb 3, 2013 10:31:28 GMT
sorry fella but i just cannot support pulis anymore he has not only turned me off supporting my club but is turning me off football.If you like your stats and sunday league football then buy the Financial Times and get yourself down trubshaw cross and save some money!
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Post by chattyladypotter on Feb 3, 2013 10:37:38 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. I think the original question is aimed at 'Pulis hard liners' which I dont think most fans are we just appreciate where we are and are grateful to the man that got us there, that is not to say we don't want to see improvement and particularly improvement away. I certainly believe TP has earned the support that I will carry on giving. There are many posts on here saying all the same things and the same posters post this on all the threads so debate is infuriating and boring. The Pulis haters come out in force when things don't go our way and these posters are unwilling to see anything good about Stoke while TP remains. I still think that this season we will finish around where we are now. I am happy with that and hopeful that we are evolving, if evolving takes us another 5 years and another however many frustrating transfer markets so be it. If our position is secure I will take it. 25 years in the wilderness was enough, now lets have 25 years in the top flight please. Actually we should all be enjoying what we have life is too short to be miserable. I will keep smiling, keep supporting the team, carry on being loud and proud and keep posting my views. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D love it! Goooaaarn Stoke!!!!!
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 3, 2013 10:37:46 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. Try giving a reasonable balanced answer to the original question Stafford.....
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Post by jeycov on Feb 3, 2013 10:38:05 GMT
Is there anyone in this division that you think we should travel to and compete with as equals (or at least, as a fellow Premier League club, rather than acting like a non-league side in a cup tie), and, God forbid, try and win a game of football? West Brom don't count by the way, we could field our promotion-winning side and probably nick a win against them. 1 away win in 22, 3 goals in 9 away games...surely even the Pulis mafia must, deep down, realise it's getting a bit ridiculous now. And if not, why not? Credit, by the way, to those who travelled today. I just hope the rest of your day/weekend in London made up for the predictable puddle of horse-wank served up again. I would like to think that we have the belief that we can nick a win anywhere! Compete as equals - hard to measure when at least 6 or 7 clubs in this league have 2 teams in effect that can overcome most opposition. As for the other 12 / 13 we need to have more belief, we need to make the most of our current personnel, both as individuals and getting them to work as a team - both in attack and defence. Not convinced that our promotion winning team would have any more points at this stage of the season
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 3, 2013 10:48:46 GMT
Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. Try giving a reasonable balanced answer to the original question Stafford..... I did!
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 3, 2013 10:49:57 GMT
Is there anyone in this division that you think we should travel to and compete with as equals (or at least, as a fellow Premier League club, rather than acting like a non-league side in a cup tie), and, God forbid, try and win a game of football? Credit, by the way, to those who travelled today. I just hope the rest of your day/weekend in London made up for the predictable puddle of horse-wank served up again. Apolgies for reminding everyone of the absolute horror show on Tuesday, but I think the question could currently be applied to home games too. We approached Wigan with the awe I would associate with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Fabregas et al of Barcelona. Respect is due to the heroic Stokies who continue to travel in hope.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 3, 2013 10:52:52 GMT
I wouldn't consider myself pro Pulis so much as anti hubris driven drivel but anyway there is no doubt our away results this term are a real disappointment.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 3, 2013 10:54:24 GMT
Try giving a reasonable balanced answer to the original question Stafford..... I did! Thats as limp a response as a Pulis post match interview
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 3, 2013 10:54:55 GMT
Is there anyone in this division that you think we should travel to and compete with as equals (or at least, as a fellow Premier League club, rather than acting like a non-league side in a cup tie), and, God forbid, try and win a game of football? Credit, by the way, to those who travelled today. I just hope the rest of your day/weekend in London made up for the predictable puddle of horse-wank served up again. Apolgies for reminding everyone of the absolute horror show on Tuesday, but I think the question could currently be applied to home games too. We approached Wigan with the awe I would associate with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Fabregas et al of Barcelona. Respect is due to the heroic Stokies who continue to travel in hope. The 2nd half against Wigan was probably the worst I have seen us play certainly since promotion but you can't tell me that was all down to Pulis. There was no fight, nobody would make a tackle, nobody was challenging for the 1st ball never mind the 2nd. We were wank but the players were as much to blame for that as anyone else.
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Post by werrington on Feb 3, 2013 10:57:40 GMT
Apolgies for reminding everyone of the absolute horror show on Tuesday, but I think the question could currently be applied to home games too. We approached Wigan with the awe I would associate with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Fabregas et al of Barcelona. Respect is due to the heroic Stokies who continue to travel in hope. The 2nd half against Wigan was probably the worst I have seen us play certainly since promotion but you can't tell me that was all down to Pulis. There was no fight, nobody would make a tackle, nobody was challenging for the 1st ball never mind the 2nd. We were wank but the players were as much to blame for that as anyone else. The players had no idea what sysyem they were playing on Tuesday and Whelan himself questioned the manager 2nd half. It was like murder ball
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 3, 2013 11:04:30 GMT
The 2nd half against Wigan was probably the worst I have seen us play certainly since promotion but you can't tell me that was all down to Pulis. There was no fight, nobody would make a tackle, nobody was challenging for the 1st ball never mind the 2nd. We were wank but the players were as much to blame for that as anyone else. The players had no idea what sysyem they were playing on Tuesday and Whelan himself questioned the manager 2nd half. It was like murder ball Pretty much how I saw it. Even SJW looked lost and disheartened. When 1 player isn't putting in effort and filling his role in the team then he is to blame. When 10 appear to be totally lost maybe it could have something to do with management. Or should we blame Kitson, or Pennant or Tuncay...?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 3, 2013 11:04:54 GMT
The 2nd half against Wigan was probably the worst I have seen us play certainly since promotion but you can't tell me that was all down to Pulis. There was no fight, nobody would make a tackle, nobody was challenging for the 1st ball never mind the 2nd. We were wank but the players were as much to blame for that as anyone else. The players had no idea what sysyem they were playing on Tuesday and Whelan himself questioned the manager 2nd half. It was like murder ball But that shouldn't stop us playing with passion or aggression? We have prided ourselves over our get stuck in attitude but on Tues 2nd half there was non. The players didn't come out for the 2nd half.
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Post by lancer on Feb 3, 2013 11:06:35 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. +1
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 11:11:19 GMT
When we came in to this leaque, we realised that to make best use of the limited resources we had available, it would be necessary to play to our strengths. So we relied on our physical strength, the long-ball, the set-play, the long-throw etc. We were never going to outplay anyone off the park, particulary the likes of Man Utd and the other big teams. Defence became our offence.
Now five years on, admittedly we have better players but we will still never outplay clubs with their massively superior resources and their better players. The defensive mindset has remained at Stoke. It is the only way we survive. Also, if we were giving it a go everyweek away, we would soon be getting hammmered 7-1, 6-1 etc, moral and confidence would go and it wouldn't be long before our home form plummeted and we would get relegated. It's not rocket science. We ain't Barcelona, get over it! The last team that gave it a go in this division every week was Blackpool and look what happened to them.
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Post by lancer on Feb 3, 2013 11:13:56 GMT
The 2nd half against Wigan was probably the worst I have seen us play certainly since promotion but you can't tell me that was all down to Pulis. There was no fight, nobody would make a tackle, nobody was challenging for the 1st ball never mind the 2nd. We were wank but the players were as much to blame for that as anyone else. The players had no idea what sysyem they were playing on Tuesday and Whelan himself questioned the manager 2nd half. It was like murder ball Agreed most emphatically.Granted the players didn't know what system we were playing, neither did we. But there was nothing to stop them moving out of our box, or putting in a tackle. There was no reason for them immediately back off and go deeper and standing off as soon as Wigan got the ball. I didn't see TP urging the to go BACK!
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