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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 11:41:51 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. But not certain centre forwards you don't rate. Everyone supports the team and expression frustration on here is not the same as doing it at a game. Boring, negative bollocks on the pitch is the reason more and more people are dissatisfied.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 11:43:40 GMT
When we came in to this leaque, we realised that to make best use of the limited resources we had available, it would be necessary to play to our strengths. So we relied on our physical strength, the long-ball, the set-play, the long-throw etc. We were never going to outplay anyone off the park, particulary the likes of Man Utd and the other big teams. Defence became our offence. Now five years on, admittedly we have better players but we will still never outplay clubs with their massively superior resources and their better players. The defensive mindset has remained at Stoke. It is the only way we survive. Also, if we were giving it a go everyweek away, we would soon be getting hammmered 7-1, 6-1 etc, moral and confidence would go and it wouldn't be long before our home form plummeted and we would get relegated. It's not rocket science. We ain't Barcelona, get over it! The last team that gave it a go in this division every week was Blackpool and look what happened to them. So we would get relegated if we didn't stick ten men behind the ball every week away from home and to want to try and win these games means wanting to be Barcelona does it? Give me fucking strength.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 3, 2013 11:45:51 GMT
Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. But not certain centre forwards you don't rate. Everyone supports the team and expression frustration on here is not the same as doing it at a game. Boring, negative bollocks on the pitch is the reason more and more people are dissatisfied. Of course I support Jerome and have even said we should bring him on at times. I just don't rate him very highly and think we need better.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 3, 2013 11:49:13 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. It starts by addressing any person who wants us to draw every away game 0-0 and to set up to defend every week. As no such supporter exists, who is supposed to answer?
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Post by jonnynico on Feb 3, 2013 11:51:08 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. Maybe because people are fed up of the same old boring, negative bollox posted by the same old boring, negative people? Life is to short to be a miserable twat so I will just carry on supporting the team and at this moment in time that includes the manager. The same old boring football, sorry hoofball by the same old boring manager.
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Post by jonnynico on Feb 3, 2013 11:53:46 GMT
But not certain centre forwards you don't rate. Everyone supports the team and expression frustration on here is not the same as doing it at a game. Boring, negative bollocks on the pitch is the reason more and more people are dissatisfied. Of course I support Jerome and have even said we should bring him on at times. I just don't rate him very highly and think we need better. Thats just how a lot of people feel about the manager, by the way who spent weeks trying to sign jerome ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 11:55:15 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. It starts by addressing any person who wants us to draw every away game 0-0 and to set up to defend every week. As no such supporter exists, who is supposed to answer? There are people on here who would happily defend any old shit and at this stage I think it is worth asking those people if there is anybody in this league we shouldn't feel grateful to travel to and breathe the same air as.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 11:57:25 GMT
But not certain centre forwards you don't rate. Everyone supports the team and expression frustration on here is not the same as doing it at a game. Boring, negative bollocks on the pitch is the reason more and more people are dissatisfied. Of course I support Jerome and have even said we should bring him on at times. I just don't rate him very highly and think we need better. But if anyone should put forth an opinion criticising the manager, or asking questions about things like the away form, you're down on them like a tonne of bricks suggesting they're spoiled or ungrateful or not proper Stoke fans.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 3, 2013 12:04:47 GMT
Of course I support Jerome and have even said we should bring him on at times. I just don't rate him very highly and think we need better. But if anyone should put forth an opinion criticising the manager, or asking questions about things like the away form, you're down on them like a tonne of bricks suggesting they're spoiled or ungrateful or not proper Stoke fans. No it is the girlie hysterics I find hard to see on here. Pulis makes mistakes and baffles the fuck out of me at times with his decisions but I fail to see who could come in at this time and do a better job with these players. Also anyone that wants to go to a game and boo is a shit supporter in my opinion and would be better off staying at home. It will do the square root of fuck all to help the players. We are where we are. If it upsets people so much then maybe they should consider staying away until Pulis is gone? I know if it got so close to suicide as some on here I would stay away. Pulis isn't perfect but for now he is our manager and I will support him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 12:06:57 GMT
You're lumping all supporters who are concerned in with that though? Surely there is room for a proper discussion about where we're going wrong.
I think the vast majority are totally behind the team and being pissed off on here doesn't mean they're not.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 3, 2013 12:08:19 GMT
You're lumping all supporters who are concerned in with that though? Surely there is room for a proper discussion about where we're going wrong. I think the vast majority are totally behind the team and being pissed off on here doesn't mean they're not. Seems to be a good discussion on ted's thread, so far anyway.
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 12:10:08 GMT
When we came in to this leaque, we realised that to make best use of the limited resources we had available, it would be necessary to play to our strengths. So we relied on our physical strength, the long-ball, the set-play, the long-throw etc. We were never going to outplay anyone off the park, particulary the likes of Man Utd and the other big teams. Defence became our offence. Now five years on, admittedly we have better players but we will still never outplay clubs with their massively superior resources and their better players. The defensive mindset has remained at Stoke. It is the only way we survive. Also, if we were giving it a go everyweek away, we would soon be getting hammmered 7-1, 6-1 etc, moral and confidence would go and it wouldn't be long before our home form plummeted and we would get relegated. It's not rocket science. We ain't Barcelona, get over it! The last team that gave it a go in this division every week was Blackpool and look what happened to them. So we would get relegated if we didn't stick ten men behind the ball every week away from home and to want to try and win these games means wanting to be Barcelona does it? Give me fucking strength. Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying. We would get relegated. You ask Tony.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 3, 2013 12:13:12 GMT
You're lumping all supporters who are concerned in with that though? Surely there is room for a proper discussion about where we're going wrong. I think the vast majority are totally behind the team and being pissed off on here doesn't mean they're not. Not my intention mate. There are some that can't wait for things to go tits up and will find any excuse to have a pop at Pulis. I share the concerns of a lot of posters on here, who wouldn't, but some of the bile and negativity is getting out of hand. I suppose the genuine concerns are just getting lost in the Pulis out at all costs agenda posts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 12:20:57 GMT
So we would get relegated if we didn't stick ten men behind the ball every week away from home and to want to try and win these games means wanting to be Barcelona does it? Give me fucking strength. Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying. We would get relegated. You ask Tony. Is this a wind-up?
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 12:25:17 GMT
If we don't stick ten men behind the ball, we are going to get thrashed. That's why we do it. Do you remember when we got beat 7-0 bt Chelsea. it weren't nice was it?
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Post by werrington on Feb 3, 2013 12:26:36 GMT
If we don't stick ten men behind the ball, we are going to get thrashed. That's why we do it. Do you remember when we got beat 7-0 bt Chelsea. it weren't nice was it? Jesus fucking wept
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 12:29:16 GMT
Why do we do it then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 12:34:39 GMT
Because it's the only way the manager knows? Why, £95m in, are we not strong enough to try and win games away without being thrashed? Other teams don't get hammered every other week do they? We have been in the bottom four for away performances every year but one since promotion so the current approach isn't working is it? We don't have to be gung ho, just positive and taking the initiative sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 12:35:14 GMT
Also we didn't lose 7-0 at Chelsea because we attacked them.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Feb 3, 2013 12:38:55 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. It starts by addressing any person who wants us to draw every away game 0-0 and to set up to defend every week. As no such supporter exists, who is supposed to answer? Exactly If he's going to be a prick in his opening statement, that isn't opening up a sensible discussion is it?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 3, 2013 12:39:56 GMT
I went yesterday and it was clear from the first minute that we were playing for 0-0 , if the results backed his approach I could understand it more but that was not a great Arsenal side , our lads defended well but as usual the inevitable happened and we did not really have a serious attack in the whole game , no other side in the league is so negative away from home
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 12:43:55 GMT
I totally understand where you are coming from Rob and btw I love your blog but my point is that Pulis has been manager of this team for ten years and he has got us places. Now if he thinks it is good policy to stick ten men behind the ball then he has earned enough credit for me to think there must be a reason for that. He has done it for a reason. The reason being that we are going to get our arses thrashed if we try to play the arsenals of the world at their own game. We are not good enough. Yes, we have spent 95 mill, but how much have they spent?
I disagree, other teams do get hammered - West Ham 5-1 to Arsenal, Newcastle 7-3 to Arsenal being just two recent examples. look at Blackburn last year. Got battered week in week out. Where are they now?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 12:49:36 GMT
I totally understand where you are coming from Rob and btw I love your blog but my point is that Pulis has been manager of this team for ten years and he has got us places. Now if he thinks it is good policy to stick ten men behind the ball then he has earned enough credit for me to think there must be a reason for that. He has done it for a reason. The reason being that we are going to get our arses thrashed if we try to play the arsenals of the world at their own game. We are not good enough. Yes, we have spent 95 mill, but how much have they spent? I disagree, other teams do get hammered - West Ham 5-1 to Arsenal, Newcastle 7-3 to Arsenal being just two recent examples. look at Blackburn last year. Got battered week in week out. Where are they now? I appreciate that mate and thank you but as far as earning the right to do that, surely if something clearly isn't working it's time to try another approach? Our away record is dismal. Having a go doesn't mean going mental and not defending at all. Blackburn went down but they actually won t Old Trafford last season. Swansea won at Arsenal this season. We often lose by 2-3 goals with the current tactic so would it really hurt to have a bash at attacking now and again? People spend a lot of money travelling to watch their team and to not even try and win is a slap in the face to them. We're not plucky underdogs any more, we're a good, established, expensively put together Premier League team.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 3, 2013 12:49:38 GMT
When we came in to this leaque, we realised that to make best use of the limited resources we had available, it would be necessary to play to our strengths. So we relied on our physical strength, the long-ball, the set-play, the long-throw etc. We were never going to outplay anyone off the park, particulary the likes of Man Utd and the other big teams. Defence became our offence. Now five years on, admittedly we have better players but we will still never outplay clubs with their massively superior resources and their better players. The defensive mindset has remained at Stoke. It is the only way we survive. Also, if we were giving it a go everyweek away, we would soon be getting hammmered 7-1, 6-1 etc, moral and confidence would go and it wouldn't be long before our home form plummeted and we would get relegated. It's not rocket science. We ain't Barcelona, get over it! The last team that gave it a go in this division every week was Blackpool and look what happened to them. We were playing this brand of football long before we got promoted. 3 teams get relegated every year. Are you really suggesting that every team that stays up or avoids regular 6 and 7 goal thrashings adopts the same footballing strategy as TP? We may not be Barcelona but I'd like to think we can compete on an equal footing with Swansea, Wigan and Fulham.
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:01:19 GMT
Rob. We gave it a shot yesterday. We could have won that game. I admit, I don't want us to play this type of football but do we really have a choice? Pulis frustrates the hell out of me at times but I trust him. I trust his judgement. He is a very clever man. We are not privvy to all the information that he has. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I appreciate we would all like Wilko to sweep majestically down the wing and turn three players inside out but it ain't gonna happen.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 3, 2013 13:02:45 GMT
Surely people realise you have to score to win a game, otherwise the OP was right in suggesting that we accept 0-0 draws all the time? Ten men behind the ball otherwise we get thrashed is just such narrow mided defeatism bollocks, that it is *********. Try scoring a goal, or heaven forbid 2, actually we had 10 men behind the ball most of the second half against Wigan, and look what that achieved. Honestly!
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:04:08 GMT
Royal Stokie. We were playing ythis type of football before we got promoted. Maybe thats how we were good enough to get promoted. I think we do compete on an equal footing to Wigan etc. And yes, teams that neglect their defence, get relegated.
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Post by dodgycarts on Feb 3, 2013 13:05:10 GMT
The Hoof. So you know better than Tony Pulis?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 13:05:33 GMT
Rob. We gave it a shot yesterday. We could have won that game. I admit, I don't want us to play this type of football but do we really have a choice? Pulis frustrates the hell out of me at times but I trust him. I trust his judgement. He is a very clever man. We are not privvy to all the information that he has. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I appreciate we would all like Wilko to sweep majestically down the wing and turn three players inside out but it ain't gonna happen. Why do we not have a choice after five years and £95m? We can still play the way we do without shitting ourselves and setting up for a 0-0 every time we leave ST4.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 3, 2013 13:09:11 GMT
Not one person has actually answered the bloke's original question. It starts by addressing any person who wants us to draw every away game 0-0 and to set up to defend every week. As no such supporter exists, who is supposed to answer? No point you being here then.
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