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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 30, 2013 9:07:29 GMT
N'zonzi DID have a poor game, so what, but this cretin has got a major agenda against him for some reason. It saddens me that some fans want shit footballers and shit football, I don't fucking get it.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jan 30, 2013 10:24:59 GMT
Best description of Walters I've heard is "a dog with a balloon", it fits him to a tee.
I'm tempted to give David Attenborough a ring and suggest he does an hour special on Walters. He must be unique in the living world as being the organism that expends the most energy for absolutely no result. His work rate is astonishing, yet the end result is zilch. Perhaps he could call the programme "John Walters - Why?" How could anyone put so much effort into a task for no end result? It's astonishing.
Walters sums up all that is wrong with TP's philosophy.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Jan 30, 2013 12:16:33 GMT
I like Walters. He has been a great buy for the money and has proven himself to be a capable enough Prem footballer. He had a golden period a couple of seasons ago which we will never forget, which showed what he can be capable of.
However, Pulis' total obsession with him will turn him into a boo boy which he does not deserve. It must also breed resentment from those players who do not get 1% of the opportunities he does. It is a very unhealthy situation which just has to stop.
Last night, I thought he was absolutely dreadful and how he did not get hauled off is a total mystery. Any other manager would have done so as he had a total mare.
I think this will also spell the end for Pulis if he does not change his ways on this topic.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jan 30, 2013 12:20:45 GMT
It's nothing to do with Walters he's perfectly fine when playing upfront with Jones its that donkey Crouch that's the problem
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Post by jann63 on Jan 30, 2013 12:26:26 GMT
we all know whos fault it is ,THE CAPPED ONE !!!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 12:37:59 GMT
In a team that played so poorly last night and with so many poor individual performances where Wigan ended up out playing us for the whole of the second half......................... Do people really believe that Walters is the main focus of last night's ineptitude? He didn't play well but we should be discussing at least 4 other players before him. He's the easy target and there is a thread about him every time we get a disappointing result. I accept that I'm far too defensive about him but he get's far more than his fair share of the flak on here. Can't we just agree to compromise? You lot 'hammer him to death' and I'll defend him at all costs, but only when he deserves to be the subject of yet another thread. I'll mark that down as a 'no' then. ;D
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Post by johnbutlershair on Jan 30, 2013 12:46:14 GMT
In a team that played so poorly last night and with so many poor individual performances where Wigan ended up out playing us for the whole of the second half......................... Do people really believe that Walters is the main focus of last night's ineptitude? He didn't play well but we should be discussing at least 4 other players before him. He's the easy target and there is a thread about him every time we get a disappointing result. I accept that I'm far too defensive about him but he get's far more than his fair share of the flak on here. Can't we just agree to compromise? You lot 'hammer him to death' and I'll defend him at all costs, but only when he deserves to be the subject of yet another thread. I'll mark that down as a 'no' then. ;D I'll agree with that. The most prolific strike force we've had in the prem was Walters and Jones two years ago. He is the focus in a some peoples eyes when a lot of performances need to be questioned and the mindboggling change in tactics. Cameron showed last night he is no centre back. No marking and I thought he looked pretty weak in the challenge. Etherington isn't the same player he was two years ago and needed replacing last season. Whelan far too erratic performance and seemed convinced the only way to pass a ball was to twat it at them Whitehead. Did well in the first half but is no winger/fullback. Walters, struggles playing on the wing/inside forward. Drop him into the whole behind Jones and that is where he is at his best. Adam seems only interested in attacking and Charlie Adam. Looked good going forward but when it came to the defensive work was left wanting. Pulis mind boggling subs and change in tactics, playing players in unfamiliar positions. As you can, in my opinion, see that there is a lot more wrong with the team then just Walters.
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Post by borat on Jan 30, 2013 12:49:14 GMT
He runs around a lot that's why he gets picked. How he NEVER gets subbed winds me up more than anything it fucking infuriates me!
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jan 30, 2013 13:29:05 GMT
It's touching to see that there are those who are willing to fight Walters' corner, but as they say love is blind and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Walters was indeed just a part of last night's debacle, however he simply sums up in one individual's performance all that is wrong with the direction we are going, much huffing and puffing and getting nowhere.
There is not another Premier League side who would have Walters anywhere near their first team yet at Stoke we damn near build the side around him! The most damning and depressing thing is we all know Walters' name will be the first name on the team sheet for Arsenal.
We might as well play with 10 men.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 13:31:35 GMT
You really don't deserve a football team. Is there no baseball forums you can go and post on? +1 Yeah, let's all cain our best player of the season so far for having one bad game in which the manager fucked up. Even if N'Zonzi had a poor game, from what I saw it was after he went off that our midfield caved in entirely and wouldn't even attempt to win the ball. Are you really suggesting Walters is our best player? Because if he is we are royally fucked
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 13:38:54 GMT
It's touching to see that there are those who are willing to fight Walters' corner, but as they say love is blind and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Walters was indeed just a part of last night's debacle, however he simply sums up in one individual's performance all that is wrong with the direction we are going, much huffing and puffing and getting nowhere. There is not another Premier League side who would have Walters anywhere near their first team yet at Stoke we damn near build the side around him! The most damning and depressing thing is we all know Walters' name will be the first name on the team sheet for Arsenal. We might as well play with 10 men. I love this idea that every other Premier League team has two competent strikers with real ability, touch and pace and that none of them have a 'workhorse' running around in the hole and doing all the donkey work. I've reached the conclusion that I am terribly mistaken in my belief that I watch Premier League football all the time and that most Premier League teams are largely made up of very average footballers and, as teams, are just as wank as us. Who's kidding themselves here?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 30, 2013 13:39:46 GMT
As I posted in another thread, 18 goals in 98 appearances. That's a pretty damning statistic. It is but comparable to: Fuller is 18 Goals in 110 Games. Kenwyne is 13 Goals in 71 Games Crouch is 15 Goals in 53 Games (Source Wikipedia)
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 13:40:36 GMT
+1 Yeah, let's all cain our best player of the season so far for having one bad game in which the manager fucked up. Even if N'Zonzi had a poor game, from what I saw it was after he went off that our midfield caved in entirely and wouldn't even attempt to win the ball. Are you really suggesting Walters is our best player? Because if he is we are royally fucked No Greenhoff, he means NZonzi. I on the other hand...................... ;D
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 13:42:34 GMT
As I posted in another thread, 18 goals in 98 appearances. That's a pretty damning statistic. It is but comparable to: Fuller is 18 Goals in 110 Games. Kenwyne is 13 Goals in 71 Games Crouch is 15 Goals in 53 Games (Source Wikipedia) And none of them are asked to play 20 yards behind the striker or on the fookin wing.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 30, 2013 13:44:04 GMT
And none of them are asked to play 20 yards behind the striker or on the fookin wing. Agreed, they've never played left back either and Walters had a stint there as well. (Although, Sssshhh - Fuller was on the wing a couple of times)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2013 13:47:46 GMT
I'm not going to get drawn into our usual debates doz (I can't be arsed because I'm finally done with Walters) but he was God awful last night. And he's just a Championship player and is the definition of everything that is wrong with Tony Pulis and the current set up. I want Walters gone, Tone is close to following.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 13:58:18 GMT
I'm not going to get drawn into our usual debates doz (I can't be arsed because I'm finally done with Walters) but he was God awful last night. And he's just a Championship player and is the definition of everything that is wrong with Tony Pulis and the current set up. I want Walters gone, Tone is close to following. Fair enough mate, a workhorse donkey that is asked to play on the wing, in the hole, in the midfield and to defend when his primary job is striker (all in one game). He's only managed to score on a par with the best of our recent strikers despite all that so yeh....get rid. No point in debate since I know I'm right and so do you so I'll continue to speak up for a bloke who deserves much better than he gets from his own fans and you can continue to see only what he hasn't got. There is a Jon Walters at most other clubs and no-one will either see or acknowledge it. BTW: He WAS crap last night (about our 5th worst player).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 30, 2013 13:59:21 GMT
He can fuck off. And so can Tone if this shit continues. He's been crap all season. Fuck him off! You're not getting any more from me now other than fuck him off! ;D
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 30, 2013 14:01:00 GMT
There is a Jon Walters at most other clubs and no-one will either see or acknowledge it. I actually don't think that's the case and think we're quite lucky to have someone like him. I can't see anyone like him in the Villa team or the QPR team, someone who just keeps going. He never stops working and you know exactly what you're going to get from him.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Jan 30, 2013 14:02:30 GMT
There is a Jon Walters at most other clubs and no-one will either see or acknowledge it. I actually don't think that's the case and think we're quite lucky to have someone like him. I can't see anyone like him in the Villa team or the QPR team, someone who just keeps going. He never stops working and you know exactly what you're going to get from him. Exactly and look how they're doing in the league. Not that I'm saying dropping walters would see us drop like a stone but near enough every club has got a player of that ilk
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 14:03:38 GMT
He can fuck off. And so can Tone if this shit continues. He's been crap all season. Fuck him off! You're not getting any more from me now other than fuck him off! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by johnbutlershair on Jan 30, 2013 14:14:27 GMT
He can fuck off. And so can Tone if this shit continues. He's been crap all season. Fuck him off! You're not getting any more from me now other than fuck him off! ;D ;D ;D ;D You've not made your point clear there Bayern, so whats your opinion on Pulis and Walters again??? ;D
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 30, 2013 14:17:54 GMT
The thing is with Walters for all his running around he cannot even defend. He is always in or around his man but never does anything of any note.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 14:23:21 GMT
The thing is with Walters for all his running around he cannot even defend. He is always in or around his man but never does anything of any note. I agree that he isn't the best full back in the world, or indeed the best defensive midfielder or winger. Perhaps we should expect more from our STRIKERS. We'd be asking him to be making goal-line diving saves with his fingertips if only football's governing body would change the rules for us. Remind me, what position does he play?
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Post by elystokie on Jan 30, 2013 14:28:18 GMT
As I posted in another thread, 18 goals in 98 appearances. That's a pretty damning statistic. It is but comparable to: Fuller is 18 Goals in 110 Games. Kenwyne is 13 Goals in 71 Games Crouch is 15 Goals in 53 Games (Source Wikipedia) How many of those are penalties for the respective players? Not that they don't need scoring but they are something of a gift so I believe it's relevant.
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Post by slother on Jan 30, 2013 14:29:03 GMT
Having spent his career in defence, I don't think Pulis has a clue about the final third of the pitch. I don't think he understands how to engineer chances or score goals. I don't think he knows anything about the art of striking.
Tactically, to score goals we rely on set-piece delivery and punts into the box hoping that something drops. The only other kind of goals we score are created on the fly by the players themselves.
It doesn't matter if it's Fuller or Beattie or Walters or Crouch or Jones or Jerome or Owen or Bent or Zigic or Drogba or van Persie. It wouldn't make a difference.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jan 30, 2013 14:32:02 GMT
Having spent his career in defence, I don't think Pulis has a clue about the final third of the pitch. I don't think he understands how to engineer chances or score goals. I don't think he knows anything about the art of striking. Tactically, to score goals we rely on set-piece delivery and punts into the box hoping that something drops. The only other kind of goals we score are created on the fly by the players themselves. It doesn't matter if it's Fuller or Beattie or Walters or Crouch or Jones or Jerome or Owen or Bent or Zigic or Drogba or van Persie. It wouldn't make a difference. I am 100% in agreement with you mate and am sick to death of saying that strikers are NOT the problem, supply is the problem.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 30, 2013 14:36:03 GMT
Having spent his career in defence, I don't think Pulis has a clue about the final third of the pitch. I don't think he understands how to engineer chances or score goals. I don't think he knows anything about the art of striking. Tactically, to score goals we rely on set-piece delivery and punts into the box hoping that something drops. The only other kind of goals we score are created on the fly by the players themselves. It doesn't matter if it's Fuller or Beattie or Walters or Crouch or Jones or Jerome or Owen or Bent or Zigic or Drogba or van Persie. It wouldn't make a difference. I am 100% in agreement with you mate and am sick to death of saying that strikers are NOT the problem, supply is the problem. Absolutely, which is why it is ludicrous to play Jonathan Walters has a supplier by playing out wide. Presumably that is the idea??? How many assists for him this season?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 30, 2013 14:36:28 GMT
Having spent his career in defence, I don't think Pulis has a clue about the final third of the pitch. I don't think he understands how to engineer chances or score goals. I don't think he knows anything about the art of striking. Tactically, to score goals we rely on set-piece delivery and punts into the box hoping that something drops. The only other kind of goals we score are created on the fly by the players themselves. It doesn't matter if it's Fuller or Beattie or Walters or Crouch or Jones or Jerome or Owen or Bent or Zigic or Drogba or van Persie. It wouldn't make a difference. I am 100% in agreement with you mate and am sick to death of saying that strikers are NOT the problem, supply is the problem. Or lack of you mean?
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Post by slother on Jan 30, 2013 14:40:27 GMT
And to watch TP in the transfer market is like watching an eight year old buying Ferrari after Ferrari and complaining they don't work, when it's because they don't know how to drive and can't reach the pedals.
Except our players depreciate faster than Ferraris.
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