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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 15:56:54 GMT
Whelan on average hasn't lost possession more times than Whitehead this season. He has, you watch the wigan game? lol mcarthy took it off his feet 3 times.. Whelan has had more passes, but has lost the ball at his feet more than any stoke player... Look at the tape. Wigan, Tottenham, lots of examples... Whelan has far more of the ball than Whitehead and passes the ball successfully more. If we're replacing him it's got to be with someone who can do what he does and be better on the ball. That sure as shit isn't Deano.
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Jan 13, 2013 16:01:15 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Jan 13, 2013 16:01:15 GMT
But compared to Dean Whitehead he is. Very much so. In fairness to Deano hes only really played for us alongside Rory or Whelan which isnt particularly inspirational stuff to play with ;D It would be interesting to see how he would get on alongside Nzonzi who is more comfortable than Whelan in possession. Tone will go to the standard put in Whitehead behind nzonzi, watch....
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Jan 13, 2013 16:03:52 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Jan 13, 2013 16:03:52 GMT
He has, you watch the wigan game? lol mcarthy took it off his feet 3 times.. Whelan has had more passes, but has lost the ball at his feet more than any stoke player... Look at the tape. Wigan, Tottenham, lots of examples... Whelan has far more of the ball than Whitehead and passes the ball successfully more. If we're replacing him it's got to be with someone who can do what he does and be better on the ball. That sure as shit isn't Deano. It isn't kightly or palacios.. or delaps, shotton who else is left ? We can't go more games with whelan and Adam trying... when was the last time Whelan scored anyway? Or got in the box? Hahaha... Whitehead Cameron nzonzi Ethers walters
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Jan 13, 2013 16:05:42 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2013 16:05:42 GMT
How can he be in your top 5 and Adam isn't?
Btw I think Whelan is having his best season with us so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 16:12:19 GMT
Whelan has far more of the ball than Whitehead and passes the ball successfully more. If we're replacing him it's got to be with someone who can do what he does and be better on the ball. That sure as shit isn't Deano. It isn't kightly or palacios.. or delaps, shotton who else is left ? We can't go more games with whelan and Adam trying... when was the last time Whelan scored anyway? Or got in the box? Hahaha... Whitehead Cameron nzonzi Ethers walters It isn't anybody else, which is why Whelan remains the best option. It's not hurting us, there are areas in need of more urgent attention.
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Jan 13, 2013 16:39:10 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Jan 13, 2013 16:39:10 GMT
How can he be in your top 5 and Adam isn't? Btw I think Whelan is having his best season with us so far. our current team of nzonzi, Adam, Whelan isn't working. That's why. Id rather keep our defensive shape and go forward with walters / KJ. Thinking Whelan and Adam are on the brink of goal runs is insane and costing us points. That's why. DK would agree. Tone needs to rotate the squad more... And not just for the cup. Walters needs rest... So running into a wall is a good option... Whelan is lacking as is Adam, they look out of sorts for me... Nzonzi can't work with a midget and a slow Scot who looks like he's out for a red every tackle.
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Jan 13, 2013 17:31:36 GMT
Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2013 17:31:36 GMT
Five goals in five years in 152 appearances is a truly shocking return. He has probably taken the majority of our direct free kicks in that time too.
We need better.
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Jan 13, 2013 17:36:09 GMT
Post by tony harrison on Jan 13, 2013 17:36:09 GMT
Five goals in five years in 152 appearances is a truly shocking return. He has probably taken the majority of our direct free kicks in that time too. We need better. Our forwards record isn't much better. He is capable of more goals if he wasn't playing in a Pulis team. The one at Tottenham is a good example of a Whelan goal.
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Jan 13, 2013 17:56:59 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 17:56:59 GMT
Five goals in five years in 152 appearances is a truly shocking return. He has probably taken the majority of our direct free kicks in that time too. We need better. I knew he was woeful in front of goal, but christ that really is abysmal. I think some of us lot would chip in with more than that ;D
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Jan 13, 2013 17:57:23 GMT
Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2013 17:57:23 GMT
Five goals in five years in 152 appearances is a truly shocking return. He has probably taken the majority of our direct free kicks in that time too. We need better. Our forwards record isn't much better. He is capable of more goals if he wasn't playing in a Pulis team. The one at Tottenham is a good example of a Whelan goal. As was his goal against Villa, so few and far between they are easy to remember.
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Jan 13, 2013 17:59:22 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 17:59:22 GMT
Our forwards record isn't much better. He is capable of more goals if he wasn't playing in a Pulis team. The one at Tottenham is a good example of a Whelan goal. As was his goal against Villa, so few and far between they are easy to remember. He's not good enough to take us to that next level. Like I say...hes a top end championship/bottom end premier league midfielder. Nothing more nothing less. A team like Reading would suit him down to the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 19:13:52 GMT
As was his goal against Villa, so few and far between they are easy to remember. He's not good enough to take us to that next level. Like I say...hes a top end championship/bottom end premier league midfielder. Nothing more nothing less. A team like Reading would suit him down to the ground. Are there better midfielders out there? Absolutely? Is there a better option at the moment at Stoke City to partner Nzonzi? Not on your life, and Dean Whitehead (a lethal five goals in 148 for the club)certainly isn't the answer.
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Jan 13, 2013 19:18:26 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 19:18:26 GMT
He's not good enough to take us to that next level. Like I say...hes a top end championship/bottom end premier league midfielder. Nothing more nothing less. A team like Reading would suit him down to the ground. Are there better midfielders out there? Absolutely? Is there a better option at the moment at Stoke City to partner Nzonzi? Not on your life, and Dean Whitehead (a lethal five goals in 148 for the club)certainly isn't the answer. Whitehead isnt the answer. For a start hes 30. Would like to see Cameron given a prolonged run in a central midfield role alongside Nzonzi. If this doesnt happen then I hate to say, but we are going to have to sign yet another central midfielder arent we? We've really fucked up on our central midfield signings (Nzonzi aside). Palacios, Edu and Adam (who I think is a good player) have been disastrous signings. This window we need to prioritise 2 new wingers and a left back. Then we need to turn our attention back to the centre of midfield. Too many midfielders at the club who arent good enough (or arent being utilised as Centre mids ie Cameron/Adam).
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Jan 13, 2013 19:33:26 GMT
Post by skelman on Jan 13, 2013 19:33:26 GMT
Glenn had a poor game yesterday but so did several others! Whelan has played pretty well in my opinion since Nzonzi arrived and for me that was his worst game of the season by far nb: Hazard £32m, Oscar £25m, Azpilicueta £7m, Mata £23.5m, Ramires £18.3m etc!!
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Jan 13, 2013 19:33:41 GMT
Post by jarvinski on Jan 13, 2013 19:33:41 GMT
Thanks for a fantastic debate lads, i'm glad i started it, youre probably right he isnt in the top five of stokes worst players, but he is STILL SHITE gooooooo armnnnn stoke
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Jan 13, 2013 19:38:35 GMT
Post by philm87 on Jan 13, 2013 19:38:35 GMT
No need to replace Whelan. He's done all right this season. We need some decent wingers in, particularly on the right side.
As for the goal scoring record... I imagine it's pretty similar to Pennant's yet many on here seem to think he's the answer to everything.
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Jan 13, 2013 19:41:08 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 19:41:08 GMT
No need to replace Whelan. He's done all right this season. We need some decent wingers in, particularly on the right side. As for the goal scoring record... I imagine it's pretty similar to Pennant's yet many on here seem to think he's the answer to everything. Slight difference chap. Pennant has one of the best crosses in the league and creates goalscoring opportunities on a regular basis. When hes on form hes our best attacking player by a country mile and one of the best wingers in England. In terms of footballing ability Whelan isnt fit to lace his boots. In terms of attitude its vise versa.
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Jan 13, 2013 20:30:30 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2013 20:30:30 GMT
No need to replace Whelan. He's done all right this season. We need some decent wingers in, particularly on the right side. As for the goal scoring record... I imagine it's pretty similar to Pennant's yet many on here seem to think he's the answer to everything. Slight difference chap. Pennant has one of the best crosses in the league and creates goalscoring opportunities on a regular basis. When hes on form hes our best attacking player by a country mile and one of the best wingers in England. In terms of footballing ability Whelan isnt fit to lace his boots. In terms of attitude its vise versa. Pennant hasn't been on form for some time though, and Whelan is having his best season with us so far.
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Jan 13, 2013 20:32:09 GMT
Post by potterglen on Jan 13, 2013 20:32:09 GMT
Am i completely wrong in my opinion of him, i think he is the luckiest bloke to make a living out of this game, he cannot get a free kick over the first defender and gives us nothing, he is again in my opinion probably in the top 5 worst players i have ever seen at stoke, and i can go back 50 years and seen some stunners, my favourite worst players are alex elder, clive clarke and the current encumbent whelan Jeez, if you think that of Whelan I dare not imagine your opinion of Dunderhead.
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Jan 13, 2013 20:36:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 20:36:53 GMT
I know I'm in the minority but I really believe that Adam would be a better partner for Nzonzi than Whelan.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:07:34 GMT
Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jan 13, 2013 21:07:34 GMT
I know I'm in the minority but I really believe that Adam would be a better partner for Nzonzi than Whelan. You are in the minority for a reason , because you are wrong , Adam can't tackle, never could, and on this seasons showing can't seem to do much at all really . I thought he would have been very useful in dead ball situations , but his delivery has been woeful.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:09:17 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 21:09:17 GMT
Slight difference chap. Pennant has one of the best crosses in the league and creates goalscoring opportunities on a regular basis. When hes on form hes our best attacking player by a country mile and one of the best wingers in England. In terms of footballing ability Whelan isnt fit to lace his boots. In terms of attitude its vise versa. Pennant hasn't been on form for some time though, and Whelan is having his best season with us so far. He hasnt been on form for some time because he hasnt played in a long time. Hes played once for us since about April mate. Hasnt had a prolonged run in the side since the incident.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:13:52 GMT
Post by Beardy200 on Jan 13, 2013 21:13:52 GMT
Pennant hasn't been on form for some time though, and Whelan is having his best season with us so far. He hasnt been on form for some time because he hasnt played in a long time. Hes played once for us since about April mate. Hasnt had a prolonged run in the side since the incident. He's played at Wolves and been dog shit apparently and i'm one of his admirers. If he wanted to he should rip up the championship but he couldn't be bothered. That's never going to win favour with TP and get you another opportunity quickly. He is going to have to train his arse off for a while to convince Tone he's worth another go and it's hard to argue with that.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:20:26 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 21:20:26 GMT
He hasnt been on form for some time because he hasnt played in a long time. Hes played once for us since about April mate. Hasnt had a prolonged run in the side since the incident. He's played at Wolves and been dog shit apparently and i'm one of his admirers. If he wanted to he should rip up the championship but he couldn't be bothered. That's never going to win favour with TP and get you another opportunity quickly. He is going to have to train his arse off for a while to convince Tone he's worth another go and it's hard to argue with that. Like I say, hes clearly got problems off the pitch. His performance at Wolves wasnt a reflection of his ability. You're right he was booed off the pitch and he stuck the 2 fingers up at the crowd after he was subbed off with "you're not fit to wear the shirt" ringing around Molineux. Thats classic Pennant though...he doesnt give a shit and has a serious attitude problem. Ability wise hes on a different level to the rest of our attacking players. What do we do? Break the "ethical code" and let him play? I would but then all i'm interested in is success. I'm sure many would rather see the side work aaard. Personally I think the best option would have been to sell him after the incident happened last year and brought in a quality replacement. As it happens we've just brought in a far worse replacement in Kightly.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:24:26 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Jan 13, 2013 21:24:26 GMT
Whelan and N'Zonzi are our best CM pair for years.
Charlie Adam is not a TP player and when he plays in the withdrawn striker role he offers no real help for the midfield when we don't have the ball and no real outlet for them when we do. We need to go back to Walters behind Jones and Two proper wingers in order to give our CMs a chance to play.
The very idea that Whelan is one of our 5 worst players in the last 50 years is insane. Ben Petty? Dave Rowson? Peter Sweeney?David Oldfield?Gerry McMahon? Have you actually ever seen Stoke City play?
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Jan 13, 2013 21:26:34 GMT
Post by Beardy200 on Jan 13, 2013 21:26:34 GMT
He's played at Wolves and been dog shit apparently and i'm one of his admirers. If he wanted to he should rip up the championship but he couldn't be bothered. That's never going to win favour with TP and get you another opportunity quickly. He is going to have to train his arse off for a while to convince Tone he's worth another go and it's hard to argue with that. Like I say, hes clearly got problems off the pitch. His performance at Wolves wasnt a reflection of his ability. You're right he was booed off the pitch and he stuck the 2 fingers up at the crowd after he was subbed off with "you're not fit to wear the shirt" ringing around Molineux. Thats classic Pennant though...he doesnt give a shit and has a serious attitude problem. Ability wise hes on a different level to the rest of our attacking players. What do we do? Break the "ethical code" and let him play? I would but then all i'm interested in is success. I'm sure many would rather see the side work aaard. Personally I think the best option would have been to sell him after the incident happened last year and brought in a quality replacement. As it happens we've just brought in a far worse replacement in Kightly. It's a tricky one. He is the best winger we have (when he wants to be) but whether we like it or not you need to earn your place in a TP team and the number one prerequisite is hard work and discipline. The more often he thinks he is better than that the less chance he'll get to play no matter how good he is. Letting players get away with not working can spread like a virus if you're not careful and when we have built our success on it, i can understand TP not risking it. It will always come down to how badly Pennant wants it or whether he is happy to just pick up his money with the least amount of effort.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:55:40 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 13, 2013 21:55:40 GMT
He's been okay for me but his losing the ball from indecision this season has.annoyed me he like all our Midfielders is inconsistent and needs improving. When Wilson gets back is like to see Geoff get a spell in Midfield with nzonzi and Ethers and kites... We need counter attack pace if KJ or Jerome are on. I think Cameron is wasted in defense. Thought he played well against Chelsea and seems to have time on the ball. Whelan is ok, but N'Zonzi is the best by a mile.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:59:21 GMT
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2013 21:59:21 GMT
Like I say, hes clearly got problems off the pitch. His performance at Wolves wasnt a reflection of his ability. You're right he was booed off the pitch and he stuck the 2 fingers up at the crowd after he was subbed off with "you're not fit to wear the shirt" ringing around Molineux. Thats classic Pennant though...he doesnt give a shit and has a serious attitude problem. Ability wise hes on a different level to the rest of our attacking players. What do we do? Break the "ethical code" and let him play? I would but then all i'm interested in is success. I'm sure many would rather see the side work aaard. Personally I think the best option would have been to sell him after the incident happened last year and brought in a quality replacement. As it happens we've just brought in a far worse replacement in Kightly. It's a tricky one. He is the best winger we have (when he wants to be) but whether we like it or not you need to earn your place in a TP team and the number one prerequisite is hard work and discipline. The more often he thinks he is better than that the less chance he'll get to play no matter how good he is. Letting players get away with not working can spread like a virus if you're not careful and when we have built our success on it, i can understand TP not risking it. It will always come down to how badly Pennant wants it or whether he is happy to just pick up his money with the least amount of effort. Yep I suspect you're right. I'd be amazed if we saw him play for us again. Genuinly amazed. Will be interesting to see the squad v Palace though. If TP is going to give him a game then this will be it.
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Jan 13, 2013 22:15:38 GMT
Post by daviesall on Jan 13, 2013 22:15:38 GMT
its obvious the players have had enough of pulis .they are fed up of being played out of position.left out if there face does not fit or over looked for pulis favorites week in week out even in they put the effort in .its time for a change pulis out
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Jan 13, 2013 22:17:31 GMT
Post by Beardy200 on Jan 13, 2013 22:17:31 GMT
its obvious the players have had enough of pulis .they are fed up of being played out of position.left out if there face does not fit or over looked for pulis favorites week in week out even in they put the effort in .its time for a change pulis out Is it?
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