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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 22, 2012 17:24:39 GMT
I realy dont understand what Pulis is thinking,sends a very good winger out on loan,only to replace him on the wing with a forward who cant score. Even Ethrington,who hasn't been great shakes for a while now,is still head and shoulders above Walters out wide.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 22, 2012 17:28:25 GMT
So who is in the team to score goals??? Mainly Crouch and from some comments I've seen from TP Kightly, with Owen and KJ as back up. and how many is that going to add up to over a season???
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Post by biganddaft on Oct 22, 2012 17:31:16 GMT
Think he's made a decent contribution so far this season.
His all round game is quite average, but TP knows exactly what he will give the team, without fail. His selection will always be questioned, because he his not a natural finisher, as we saw on Saturday.
For the time being though I think he's earning the shirt week in week out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 17:34:01 GMT
quite worrying really if kightly and free transfer Owen do represent our intentional only specific goal threat after crouch given the fact we have spent on £20 million Jones, Jerome, Kitson, Tuncay, in fees alone for them to be considered surplus to owen and Kightly
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 17:54:05 GMT
Theres no justifying Walters' place in the starting line up over the past season or so. Hes a complete liability these days and other than hard work he doesnt do enough. I love how some people say stuff like "hes vital to the way we play" despite offering no explanation as to what he does apart from working hard. Go on then, enlighten us, what does he do that is so effective?
APART FROM WORKING AAAARRRRD.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 17:55:10 GMT
Even the guys who always stick up for Walters seem to be running out of explanations for his disastrous form over the past year.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Oct 22, 2012 18:07:47 GMT
Even the guys who always stick up for Walters seem to be running out of explanations for his disastrous form over the past year. Disastrous form? You need to shake your head.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 18:09:33 GMT
Even the guys who always stick up for Walters seem to be running out of explanations for his disastrous form over the past year. Disastrous form? You need to shake your head. You need to start watching the football match. And start looking at facts. You're only kidding yourself and you know it.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Oct 22, 2012 18:17:17 GMT
Disastrous form? You need to shake your head. You need to start watching the football match. And start looking at facts. You're only kidding yourself and you know it. The only opinion that really matters is Pulis' and he seems to think he's doing a good job. As for watching the game, I do watch it, that's why I think he's doing fine, it seems to me that you're only looking at his goal-scoring record.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 18:21:23 GMT
You need to start watching the football match. And start looking at facts. You're only kidding yourself and you know it. The only opinion that really matters is Pulis' and he seems to think he's doing a good job. As for watching the game, I do watch it, that's why I think he's doing fine, it seems to me that you're only looking at his goal-scoring record. Mate i'm really not. I genuinly think hes a really really average footballer at this level. Probably below average. The biggest complement I can give Walters (and this is a big complement in terms of life skills), and that is that regardless of his limited ability, he will always earn his pay slip at the end of the week. He does his best...unfortunately his best isnt good enough. If Pennant had the same attitude I think he'd be at a top 6 club with many England caps to his name.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Oct 22, 2012 18:23:35 GMT
The only opinion that really matters is Pulis' and he seems to think he's doing a good job. As for watching the game, I do watch it, that's why I think he's doing fine, it seems to me that you're only looking at his goal-scoring record. Mate i'm really not. I genuinly think hes a really really average footballer at this level. Probably below average. The biggest complement I can give Walters (and this is a big complement in terms of life skills), and that is that regardless of his limited ability, he will always earn his pay slip at the end of the week. He does his best...unfortunately his best isnt good enough. If Pennant had the same attitude I think he'd be at a top 6 club with many England caps to his name. The key word there is IF.
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Post by redwhite on Oct 22, 2012 18:34:07 GMT
going to be honest, i was pretty annoyed back end of last season with his poor form, but you cant really say he has been bad at the start of this season. I'd go as far as saying he was one of our best players in a fair few of the games so far. New season has brought a new SJW in my view Just because he's playing better this season than last doesn't put him up their with the other players. Let's not forget that he was absolutely woeful last season and just because he's playing a bit better this year doesn't change the fact that he is a poor player. It would be hard to play as badly as he did last season.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 18:39:39 GMT
going to be honest, i was pretty annoyed back end of last season with his poor form, but you cant really say he has been bad at the start of this season. I'd go as far as saying he was one of our best players in a fair few of the games so far. New season has brought a new SJW in my view Just because he's playing better this season than last doesn't put him up their with the other players. Let's not forget that he was absolutely woeful last season and just because he's playing a bit better this year doesn't change the fact that he is a poor player. It would be hard to play as badly as he did last season. I think thats a really good point. I'm still struggling to see how hes better than last season mind. He just looks so average...so average that people are having to pick out tiny little things that he does during a game that justify there reasoning for him starting games.
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Post by discokaraoke on Oct 22, 2012 18:40:34 GMT
All you walters bashers should really WATCH what he does on the pitch and what he brings to the team! Hes on the wing, in mid field in defense, he is our most productive player in the team fact! We would be weaker without him.
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Post by redwhite on Oct 22, 2012 18:41:44 GMT
Pennant and Jerome I would guess. Hes not in the team over Jerome, and there's other reasons Pennant is not getting a game as well as when he was given a chance this season he was very poor. I haven't read anywhere about them being pissed off though. Is one game against tough opposition really a fair chance for Pennant? For a start he wasn't very poor - no, he didn't do anything particularly special - but it was one game and although it wasn't one of his best he didn't do anything that you could really deem as poor. We all know Pennant is a quality player and he's shown that on many occasions so I see no reason to forget about him after one game. Walters has been played every week for as long as I can remember and consistently under performs yet there is no dropping him.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 18:42:05 GMT
All you walters bashers should really WATCH what he does on the pitch and what he brings to the team! Hes on the wing, in mid field in defense, he is our most productive player in the team fact! We would be weaker without him. Oh my days...we have a winner Go on then, tell us what he does that is better than our other players apart from working aaard. I cant wait for this response.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 18:43:31 GMT
jeesss. Them assits and goal stats already equal pennants last season then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 18:47:04 GMT
He is what stoke city stand for. Pity some of the half arsed johnny-come-latelys on here didn't have the same attitude.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Oct 22, 2012 19:03:08 GMT
I've never been a huge fan of him but have been very impressed so far this season, and there is no reason to drop him, he's playing well in a team that is playing well.
Some people have a fixed view and it won't change, can't believe the lack of goals is being wheeled out still, do these people not understand he has been playing on the wing? How many did Pennant score last year?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 19:03:51 GMT
jeesss. Them assits and goal stats already equal pennants last season then. Anyone who disagrees with the statement that we are a better team with Pennant in the side, obviously just choses to blindly ignore the past 2 years. Everything good we've been involved in over recent years, Pennant has played a large role...most notably our form during and around that FA Cup run where we were tearing teams to shreds..whats interesting, is prior this run Pennant spent some time on the bench and we were absolutely hopeless...as soon as he and Etherington were on either side we were the shit. ...but also during games at the beginning of the same season, such as the Liverpool victory at home and a wide range of others. Pennants a fine player and has been a fine player for us...lets not just dismiss this because of what we read on his twitter or in the papers.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 19:05:36 GMT
I've never been a huge fan of him but have been very impressed so far this season, and there is no reason to drop him, he's playing well in a team that is playing well. Some people have a fixed view and it won't change, can't believe the lack of goals is being wheeled out still, do these people not understand he has been playing on the wing? How many did Pennant score last year? How many has Pennant created though? They are on different levels. In terms of ability Walters isnt anywhere close. Remember games like Villa away last season...Pennant came on and transformed the team single handedly and set up Huth with a peach. I wished someone would give me and many others a fucking answer when we say...what is it that Walters has done so well this season apart from work aaard? Anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 19:10:46 GMT
Jon Walters has a lot of qualities. He runs all day, gives 100% tracks back etc, etc, etc. What he hasn't got is the quality to play at the highest level. He's a Championship player nothing more nothing less. If I wanted to go and watch a runner I'd go and see Mo Farah. As a team we simply do not score enough goals and Walters who is one of our front four is one of the people most culpable. We simply need better.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 22, 2012 19:16:24 GMT
Hes not in the team over Jerome, and there's other reasons Pennant is not getting a game as well as when he was given a chance this season he was very poor. I haven't read anywhere about them being pissed off though. Is one game against tough opposition really a fair chance for Pennant? For a start he wasn't very poor - no, he didn't do anything particularly special - but it was one game and although it wasn't one of his best he didn't do anything that you could really deem as poor. We all know Pennant is a quality player and he's shown that on many occasions so I see no reason to forget about him after one game. Walters has been played every week for as long as I can remember and consistently under performs yet there is no dropping him. No its not fair, but he needed to make himself undroppable given that TP was obviously looking for a reason to not use him, but imo he was very poor.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 19:20:09 GMT
Im still waiting for the answer as to what Walters offers, hard work aside. Anyone?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 22, 2012 19:31:21 GMT
Im still waiting for the answer as to what Walters offers, hard work aside. Anyone?[/quote That's mainly what he's in the team for, his work rate and his defensive qualities combined with his efforts going forward is what TP wants in his wide midfielders, I say that rather than winger because that's what he is really. I think its only fair to judge him against teams that we expect more from, as I've said before, points against Man U, Man City etc are a bonus, even though he hasn't done badly against such teams so far.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 22, 2012 19:35:22 GMT
Im still waiting for the answer as to what Walters offers, hard work aside. Anyone?[/quote That's mainly what he's in the team for, his work rate and his defensive qualities combined with his efforts going forward is what TP wants in his wide midfielders, I say that rather than winger because that's what he is really. I think its only fair to judge him against teams that we expect more from, as I've said before, points against Man U, Man City etc are a bonus, even though he hasn't done badly against such teams so far. Yeh but thats what we are doing pal. Its hardly like its just this season that hes looked average and suffered in front of goal is it? Last season he was probably even worse and i'm including every team we played against, the Swanseas, Sunderlands etc. Not just the big teams. I appreciate in the past we've always needed a Cresswell type player...but now we have real quality in the side like Nzonzi, Adam, Kightly etc, do we need a Walters?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 19:37:38 GMT
All you walters bashers should really WATCH what he does on the pitch and what he brings to the team! Hes on the wing, in mid field in defense, he is our most productive player in the team fact! We would be weaker without him. What you basing the fact on?? Please tell me what Jon Walters does that makes him te most productive player in the team? Genuine question? The whole point if this thread is that Jon Walters is a great runner but his end product is awful
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 22, 2012 19:42:30 GMT
Im still waiting for the answer as to what Walters offers, hard work aside. Anyone?[/quote That's mainly what he's in the team for, his work rate and his defensive qualities combined with his efforts going forward is what TP wants in his wide midfielders, I say that rather than winger because that's what he is really. I think its only fair to judge him against teams that we expect more from, as I've said before, points against Man U, Man City etc are a bonus, even though he hasn't done badly against such teams so far. Yeh but thats what we are doing pal. Its hardly like its just this season that hes looked average and suffered in front of goal is it? Last season he was probably even worse and i'm including every team we played against, the Swanseas, Sunderlands etc. Not just the big teams. I appreciate in the past we've always needed a Cresswell type player...but now we have real quality in the side like Nzonzi, Adam, Kightly etc, do we need a Walters? I think we do, we still need someone to make up the running. I'm judging him on this season, to me last season means nothing anymore, Prem wise it was poor, this season he has played well, yes he has missed one or two chances but as I've said that's not all hes in the team for.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 22, 2012 20:32:12 GMT
All he needs is a treadmill and Jon will be happy,he clearly aint happy when he has a ball at his feet because his finishing is pathetic and crucially its costing us big time.
Lowest scorers again this season if he continues in the team unless we get a penalty in every game from now on.
He has no composure or technique when striking a ball and he's a forward ffs!!!
Time to play A REAL GOAL SCORER!!!
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Post by miltonpotter on Oct 22, 2012 20:36:08 GMT
Great Player, Great Attitude, 100% EVERY game, Looking brilliant as a wide man, Does a cracking job in about 3/4 positions and is a lovely guy (met him twice) who appreciates being a professional footballer after his set backs he has had. Please stop the bashing because without him....we would miss him massively. Keep it up SJW!
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