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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 20:37:21 GMT
Is the Kick It Out Campaign an FA led/organised initiative within football?
If so, I can well understand why the likes of Roberts and Ferdinand would decide against wearing it today.
If not, what an earth would such players be protesting about?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 20, 2012 20:50:04 GMT
Its an independent charity, isn't it? Which is why I think Roberts and Co are bing a bit short sighted in not supporting it. It has certainly raised the awareness of racism since it started. Not sure who set it up but it doesn't have the power to do what Roberts and co think it should do. Its job is to keep racism at the forefront of pblic awareness and I'd say it was doing that pretty well.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 20:55:14 GMT
Hence my question!
Listened to almost all of 606, which was dominated by the subject (particularly in light of Fergies apparent comments) and I am still none the wiser as to whether it is an FA Campaign (as is the Respect one) or something unattached to either the FA or Premier League.
Can anyone confirm one way or the other?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 20, 2012 20:57:03 GMT
Its an independent charity, isn't it? Which is why I think Roberts and Co are bing a bit short sighted in not supporting it. It has certainly raised the awareness of racism since it started. Not sure who set it up but it doesn't have the power to do what Roberts and co think it should do. Its job is to keep racism at the forefront of pblic awareness and I'd say it was doing that pretty well. to be fair their protest has brought it even more to the forefront
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 20, 2012 20:58:09 GMT
Hence my question! Listened to almost all of 606, which was dominated by the subject (particularly in light of Fergies apparent comments) and I am still none the wiser as to whether it is an FA Campaign (as is the Respect one) or something unattached to either the FA or Premier League. Can anyone confirm one way or the other? Isn't Wiki wonderful! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick_It_Out_(organisation)
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Post by kitkatkev on Oct 20, 2012 20:59:17 GMT
KJ did not wear one today
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 20, 2012 21:01:35 GMT
Off the kick it out website
"The campaign is supported by the games governing bodies including founding body the professional footballers association (PFA), the premier league and the football association"
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 21:02:56 GMT
It is an independant charitable organisation then, that is funded by the PFA, FA and Premier League.
Clear as mud!
Given that it is funded by the FA and Premier League, I can well understand why those players chose not to wear the shirt.
The FA have been taken for a ride by John Terry and the punishment handed out to him is pathetic. The charity leading "Kick It Out" may not be able to do much about recent goings on, but the FA certainly can and they have bottled it.
Fergie's comments are pretty shambolic so hopefully those players will now come out into the open and say exactly why they chose not to support the campaign today.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 20, 2012 21:06:30 GMT
Probably because wearing a T shirt doesnt have any impact. Especially if its under your kit top.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 20, 2012 21:11:51 GMT
Probably because wearing a T shirt doesnt have any impact. Especially if its under your kit top. The T shirts were not worn under the kit - they were worn on top during the warm up and by the subs until they came on to the pitch to play.
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Post by beast8 on Oct 20, 2012 21:21:39 GMT
I actually think all this racism crap is being blown completely out of proportion. People jump on the band wagon and make big deals of it because its in the media all the bloody time.fact is racism is not a big issue,I mean really is Anton ferdinands life in tatters from John Terry's comments? Is it boot, he's not really arsed.if however it was slavery then he may have a point. Man up world
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2012 21:25:18 GMT
My views on the matter are at the polar opposite to yours Beast!
I think I will leave it at that as the board can probably do without another racism discussion/debate/argument!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 22:25:53 GMT
Probably because wearing a T shirt doesnt have any impact. Especially if its under your kit top. It does if you score a goal. look at how many players wear T-shirts under their tops and then lift it up when they score to reveal a message of some sort. Ferdinand & Roberts are just milking it to keep the issue in the papers not that it is not a proper issue, but its dealt with elsewhere. In fact ferdinand needs to be disciplined for going against Fergie, especially when Fergie was so vocal about roberts.
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Post by tailgunner on Oct 20, 2012 22:32:14 GMT
It's a very worthwhile campaign but it's being undermined when you see people like Luis Suarez and John Terry wearing the t-shirts, and for that reason alone you can understand why some players are now refusing to wear them
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 20, 2012 22:32:47 GMT
Some people need to grow some balls. For 100 grand a week Id have someone call me a hunky fucking faggot
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Post by pittshillplotter on Oct 20, 2012 22:36:20 GMT
Some people need to grow some balls. For 100 grand a week Id have someone call me a hunky fucking faggot For £100,000 a week I'd have a T Shirt printed with '' I'm a black homosexual with two lesbian sisters ''
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Post by larstoke on Oct 20, 2012 23:05:38 GMT
ferdinand and roberts did it to protest, but kenwyne was just too lazy to put his on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 1:14:53 GMT
I actually think all this racism crap is being blown completely out of proportion. People jump on the band wagon and make big deals of it because its in the media all the bloody time.fact is racism is not a big issue,I mean really is Anton ferdinands life in tatters from John Terry's comments? Is it boot, he's not really arsed.if however it was slavery then he may have a point. Man up world [/ Well of course with some thing like this the media always do go over the top , but that's the media for you , but to describe it as crap is a little short sighted , racism is a vile and detestable thing, its something that all right minded people should want to see the back of , true Anton Ferdinand isn't slashing his wrists over this, but why should he have to put up with it ?
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Post by stokeyouth on Oct 21, 2012 2:27:21 GMT
ferdinand and roberts did it to protest, but kenwyne was just too lazy to put his on. If you knew the real reason you'd never have made that joke and you'd be sickened by what you said. A lot didn't wear it today. Robert, KJ, Lescott and more. The thing is, before Roberts and Rio came out to say they wouldnt wear it, who knew about it? I didn't for one. And I wouldn't have been arsed by their shirts. However because they haven't worn it, it's become a massive issue, therefore giving it more awareness. They should be thanking them for this stunt
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Post by tijuanabrass on Oct 21, 2012 5:07:50 GMT
Well now we have a message being delivered within the message. Maybe next year we will have more and more players of black origin making this statement. Eventually it will only be the players who identify as "white" wearing Kick it Out slogans. Ultimately this slogan in its self will be seen as a paternalistic symbol loaded with racist undertones. Get your Kick out Kick it Out T-shirts here and beat the rush.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 6:06:25 GMT
The issue is not directly to do with the charity Kick It Out, but the charity has become the visible end of it.
There is an official stance by the footballing authorities to do with kicking racism out of football. It comes across as a unified approach by everyone from FIFA to lower league players across the world. However, when very visible instances of racism occur, the footballing authorities passively condone it by levying paltry fines.
Kick it Out is increasingly being seen as a corporate 'value' for FIFA. It is not a determined commitment. So players, black layers particularly, are saying that they will have nothing to do with some corporate objective when what is required is a determined plan of action.
If FIFA don't get real over racism, I do not think I will be long before players just walk off the pitch, which will be a mess that could tear football part.
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Post by skip on Oct 21, 2012 8:01:36 GMT
for those high profile players to not wear the shirt yesterday - including Kenwyne - fair play to 'em.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 10:10:34 GMT
Some people need to grow some balls. For 100 grand a week Id have someone call me a hunky fucking faggot But you aren't particularly hunky though are you swampy?? MY view on this is that its the players choice as to whether he wants to wear it in the warm up or not. There will be some that dont agree with it in terms of what actions are being taken (Ferdinand, Kenywne Jones, Jason Roberts, Lescott etc), and there are some that make a mockery of it by wearing it (Terry, Suarez). Had it not been for the Terry case and Ferdinand, Roberts etc, the truth is that not many outside of those at the grounds would have even known it was the Kick It Out week. It has largely gone un-noticed to the wider non attending population. If the clubs want to make a statement and have their players wear it, why not instead have a club ambassador for it? The irony being that the one player who does wear it will stand out far more than the others. Another huge irony is that the KIO campaign obviously wishes to promote the fact that we are all different, we all have different views, different opinions and no matter what they are, they should be respected. So why should these players be forced to wear the tshirt? The funding that it gets from the game and government is huge, yet its those in charge of the game that aren't doing enough. It's not undermining the campaign one single bit, but showing the FA and co that they need to do more. Charity should also not be forced upon people. I dont support KIO financially. I do however give to the Donna Louise. This doesnt say that i dont think KIO it a worthy campaign, just that I prefer to give to DL. If I started giving to every single worthy charity out there I wouldnt be able to pay my bills.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 21, 2012 11:30:38 GMT
Dozy Rio probably forgot to put his on!
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 21, 2012 11:57:36 GMT
Alex Ferguson should respect Ferdinand's decision not to wear the Tshirt.
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Post by artvanderlay on Oct 21, 2012 12:25:48 GMT
Some people need to grow some balls. For 100 grand a week Id have someone call me a hunky fucking faggot Certainly makes you wonder what the point of Kick It Out is when you've got dickhead attitudes like that. Are they ever going to educate people like this ?
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 21, 2012 12:29:53 GMT
Its an independent charity, isn't it? Which is why I think Roberts and Co are bing a bit short sighted in not supporting it. It has certainly raised the awareness of racism since it started. Not sure who set it up but it doesn't have the power to do what Roberts and co think it should do. Its job is to keep racism at the forefront of pblic awareness and I'd say it was doing that pretty well. For once we disagree - it's done a polite and useful job but tbh I think a lot's been about changing the top dressing. There's still a really really ugly hard core of racism, that needs a harder edge to stamp it out, great to see that move is coming from prominent Prem players.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 21, 2012 12:41:40 GMT
Recent news explosions could leave someone with the wrong impression, that being that racism is all over every part of British football.
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Post by stokie12345 on Oct 21, 2012 14:34:20 GMT
Some people need to grow some balls. For 100 grand a week Id have someone call me a hunky fucking faggot
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Post by Spiros on Oct 21, 2012 15:40:55 GMT
Would Rio have not worn it after admitting throwing racial slurs in the direction of Ashley Cole?
Probably his guilt coming through!
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