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Post by cousindupree on Jul 13, 2012 7:45:41 GMT
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Post by BryStokeCityFC on Jul 13, 2012 8:01:33 GMT
They should get division 1, they drop down and Dundee go up
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Jul 13, 2012 8:04:17 GMT
They should start at the bottom - FULLSTOP
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 13, 2012 8:14:58 GMT
Seems that many clubs want them to start in Div 3, while the SPL authorities are hoping for Div 1. The principle here is that the Rangers newco are a completely new club and should begin life in Div 3. But money talks and the SPL risk losing sponsorship and TV cash if 'rangers' are out of the SPL for anything more than one season. As I said should be interesting.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 13, 2012 8:21:32 GMT
I'd be amazed if they aren't on the news more if they started at the bottom
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Post by huntlypotter on Jul 13, 2012 8:23:01 GMT
They should start at the bottom - FULLSTOP exactly! Glasgow Rangers went into liquidation so that club no longer exists. Clydebank, Airdrieonians, Gretna went bust and didn't get back into the division they were previously in. in fact Clydebank had to start again the Scottish Juniors while Gretna are in the East of Scotland League now as new clubs. There are clubs here in Scotland that want any new club to start in the bottom tier as they should do - Annan, Elgin City, Peterhead, Inverness Caledonian Thistle and Ross County all had to formally apply for the SFL and were voted in my member clubs, this new case is basically the SFA pandering to one of their favourite clubs and wanting them kept in at the top. I'm sure clubs like Spartans, Cove Rangers and other non-league clubs in Scotland are annoyed that given there was an opening for an SFL spot they were never invited to apply to go into the league. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 13, 2012 9:35:43 GMT
Looks like SPL Division 2 might be about to be created....
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Post by huntlypotter on Jul 13, 2012 9:46:29 GMT
Looks like SPL Division 2 might be about to be created.... what a shambles if that happens! any new club entering the SFL should start from the bottom, no exceptions! |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 13, 2012 11:16:58 GMT
I find it amusing that the SPL and some of the clubs in the SPL are a little concerned now that Rangers might go into the bottom division. They voted them out (correctly) so they should have absolutely no input whatsoever into this decision now.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 13, 2012 11:52:38 GMT
It seems the suits who run the various football authorities in Scotland want to show it's not only Rangers who can be completely incompetent.
In fact what should happen is the "space" created by the liquidation of Rangers is opened up in the 3rd division for an open application by whoever wants to apply. As happened recently when Gretna went under and Annan Athletic beat 4 other clubs to join the league.
Very simple.
Of course, there is still one huge problem - are Rangers a "fit and proper" team to join the league. This doesn't just mean checking out the owner, but will they be able to fulfill their fixtures in the coming season.
And there is a huge question about that, particularly in regards to the sale of the club assets to the newco along with other things like the EBTs and dual player contracts which still haven't been resolved. Oh, and they have no players and no cash!
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Post by basingstokie on Jul 13, 2012 11:55:16 GMT
They should start at the bottom. Simples
Delink the situations
1) Glasgow Rangers Football Club have gone into liquidation and no longer exist.
2) Some Glaswegian's have decided to start a new football club. They've called it Glasgow United. They have acquired some assets from the liquidator of GRFC as these assets were available for a knock down price (there isn't much of a market for used 40,000 capacity football grounds!). They are now intending to apply to the Scottish FA to enter the professional leagues.
Why would the Scottish FA let Glasgow United go in at the top. Provided the SFA are satisfied that Glasgow United have a viable business plan, unlikely to go bust and will be an asset to the league structure then they should invite them to join Division 3.
The new owners of 'Rangers' are trying to use the Rangers name to get in at the top when infact the Rangers name is dead. The club no longer exists. Newco is a brand new club formed this summer.
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Post by BryStokeCityFC on Jul 13, 2012 12:20:40 GMT
Ahh didn't realise it was a new set up, going be div 3 then
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Post by mcf on Jul 13, 2012 12:51:09 GMT
It may be pissing down outside my window yet the sun is shining brightly on my boat race.
From the absolute bottom...and then a bit further down again.
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Post by dexter97 on Jul 13, 2012 13:12:34 GMT
Arf!
;D
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 13, 2012 13:13:30 GMT
Decision taken to start them in Div 3....commonsense prevails
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 13, 2012 13:15:10 GMT
Could they be the first Division 3 team to win the Scottish Fa Cup?
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 13, 2012 13:15:25 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 13, 2012 13:25:55 GMT
Everyone connected with them, Manager, players and fans, are chuffed to fuck, its exactly what they wanted as they start from scratch without all the limitations..
Charles Green on the other hand will be a bit miffed... ;D
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Post by Northy on Jul 13, 2012 13:44:16 GMT
a correct decision, it could be fun trip for a couple of seasons for the fans
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Post by stokelad2007 on Jul 13, 2012 13:44:47 GMT
Everyone connected with them, Manager, players and fans, are chuffed to fuck, its exactly what they wanted as they start from scratch without all the limitations.. Charles Green on the other hand will be a bit miffed... ;D Players ?????? They have only got 7!!!!! |
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Post by BryStokeCityFC on Jul 13, 2012 13:49:27 GMT
Think they got 11 confirmed to transfer over
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Post by sovietonion on Jul 13, 2012 13:51:35 GMT
Everyone connected with them, Manager, players and fans, are chuffed to fuck, its exactly what they wanted as they start from scratch without all the limitations.. Charles Green on the other hand will be a bit miffed... ;D I disagree about being that chuffed. There is an important point to make here- they haven't actually been fully punished yet. What has happened today is an application for a club that ran itself out of business to play in the league. The SPL have said, 'you're out because you went bust. You can come back in if you make it legally. We did it to Gretna and Livingston and you can have it too.' The SFL have said, okay, but you can start at the bottom as we have our supporters paying money to watch their clubs who have told us that if we are leapfrogged in any way, shape of form, we aren't coming back.' To be fair the supporters of the small clubs have done a great service to the integrity of the game, especially those doing themselves out of a quick windfall in Div 1. . Rangers (in Administration) have two choices: 1- amit the old Rangers is dead and start in Div 3 with nothing, no history- no leagues, no cups, no silverware nothing. That club is now Maidstone, Meadowbank, Third Lanark, Newport County. Gone forever or restarted anew. Albeit with a massive fanbase. BUT no more 54 titles and 100 trophies in all- the only world record now is for newest club. 2- Keep the old Rangers alive and take the punishment. The company will start the season minus ten points and skint as punishment for beginning a new season still in administration. The club will then face the punishment for ineligible players in 700 plus matches from the SPL and cups where they broke the rules to win. Result is stripping of titles and trophies and awarded to the teams they defaulted. At least 18 trophies will go to Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee, Queen of the South etc etc etc. In addition to this, HMRC will still chase the new club for money owed. 3- Be prepared for the compensation claims from the lost European revenue from cheated league rivals and cup finalists. If the McRangers FC franchise exists in the terms of (2) it can be expected to be legally bounded by HMRC to pay it's tax and NI upfront for several years as a surety as the club has a rich history of running the club on money due to the government. The punishment hasn't begun yet- what has happened today is a consequence of going out of business. The corpse kicking will now begin in earnest. |
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 13, 2012 13:55:20 GMT
Everyone connected with them, Manager, players and fans, are chuffed to fuck, its exactly what they wanted as they start from scratch without all the limitations.. Charles Green on the other hand will be a bit miffed... ;D Players ?????? They have only got 7!!!!! They've known for a while they'll be playing youth, reserve team players etc next season.. |
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Post by mcf on Jul 13, 2012 14:19:53 GMT
onion 2 choices - 1, 2 and 3. Love it!  'the corpse kicking will now begin' Would love it even more ;D |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 13, 2012 14:38:08 GMT
Everyone connected with them, Manager, players and fans, are chuffed to fuck, its exactly what they wanted as they start from scratch without all the limitations.. Charles Green on the other hand will be a bit miffed... ;D I disagree about being that chuffed. There is an important point to make here- they haven't actually been fully punished yet. What has happened today is an application for a club that ran itself out of business to play in the league. The SPL have said, 'you're out because you went bust. You can come back in if you make it legally. We did it to Gretna and Livingston and you can have it too.' The SFL have said, okay, but you can start at the bottom as we have our supporters paying money to watch their clubs who have told us that if we are leapfrogged in any way, shape of form, we aren't coming back.' To be fair the supporters of the small clubs have done a great service to the integrity of the game, especially those doing themselves out of a quick windfall in Div 1. . Rangers (in Administration) have two choices: 1- amit the old Rangers is dead and start in Div 3 with nothing, no history- no leagues, no cups, no silverware nothing. That club is now Maidstone, Meadowbank, Third Lanark, Newport County. Gone forever or restarted anew. Albeit with a massive fanbase. BUT no more 54 titles and 100 trophies in all- the only world record now is for newest club. 2- Keep the old Rangers alive and take the punishment. The company will start the season minus ten points and skint as punishment for beginning a new season still in administration. The club will then face the punishment for ineligible players in 700 plus matches from the SPL and cups where they broke the rules to win. Result is stripping of titles and trophies and awarded to the teams they defaulted. At least 18 trophies will go to Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee, Queen of the South etc etc etc. In addition to this, HMRC will still chase the new club for money owed. 3- Be prepared for the compensation claims from the lost European revenue from cheated league rivals and cup finalists. If the McRangers FC franchise exists in the terms of (2) it can be expected to be legally bounded by HMRC to pay it's tax and NI upfront for several years as a surety as the club has a rich history of running the club on money due to the government. The punishment hasn't begun yet- what has happened today is a consequence of going out of business. The corpse kicking will now begin in earnest. Please let the corpse kicking happen. ;D |
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Post by ladyinred on Jul 13, 2012 15:02:06 GMT
But Glasgow Rangers FC aren't in administration. They don't exist, they have been liquidated, there is nobody to punish etc.
Newco Rangers are a brand new club that has started from scratch (buying assets from the Glasgow Rangers liquidation).
Newco Rangers have successfully applied to join the SFL, and thus they start where all newly elected teams start - at the bottom.
In terms of retaining their history/honours etc - Technically they have none, but I'm sure they will be 'sentimentally retained' in the same way that Middlesbrough have a history pre-1980.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 13, 2012 15:17:26 GMT
They have the annual SPL AGM on Monday and according to the Scottish reporter Rangers Newco could still get voted back into the SPL!
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Post by sovietonion on Jul 13, 2012 16:00:59 GMT
onion 2 choices - 1, 2 and 3. Love it! 'the corpse kicking will now begin' Would love it even more ;D You got me there...  |
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Post by sovietonion on Jul 13, 2012 16:08:51 GMT
But Glasgow Rangers FC aren't in administration. They don't exist, they have been liquidated, there is nobody to punish etc. Newco Rangers are a brand new club that has started from scratch (buying assets from the Glasgow Rangers liquidation). Newco Rangers have successfully applied to join the SFL, and thus they start where all newly elected teams start - at the bottom. In terms of retaining their history/honours etc - Technically they have none, but I'm sure they will be 'sentimentally retained' in the same way that Middlesbrough have a history pre-1980. Some Rangers fans (and indeed Charles Green) do not see that there is a straight choice between their keeping their history or losing the massive £134 million debt. And that's losing, remember, not paying. The debt is part of the history too. In a goldfish bowl like Glasgow, losing their winning history and being 43 titles (soon to be 49 or more) behind Celtic is going to hurt more than 134 million quid ever could. |
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jul 13, 2012 16:18:15 GMT
But Glasgow Rangers FC aren't in administration. They don't exist, they have been liquidated, there is nobody to punish etc. Newco Rangers are a brand new club that has started from scratch (buying assets from the Glasgow Rangers liquidation). Newco Rangers have successfully applied to join the SFL, and thus they start where all newly elected teams start - at the bottom. In terms of retaining their history/honours etc - Technically they have none, but I'm sure they will be 'sentimentally retained' in the same way that Middlesbrough have a history pre-1980. The difference is that Middlesbrough are still technically the same club. |
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