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Post by steventweed on Jul 13, 2012 16:44:20 GMT
Shame they weren't relegated to the Highland League. I was looking forward to them taking a beating at Fort William.
It's a bit grim for their fans and that, but they can have some good jollies in obscure locations for a year or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 17:30:47 GMT
Everyone connected with them, Manager, players and fans, are chuffed to fuck, its exactly what they wanted as they start from scratch without all the limitations.. Charles Green on the other hand will be a bit miffed... ;D I disagree about being that chuffed. TtRhere is an important point to make here- they haven't actually been fully punished yet. What has happened today is an application for a club that ran itself out of business to play in the league. The SPL have said, 'you're out because you went bust. You can come back in if you make it legally. We did it to Gretna and Livingston and you can have it too.' The SFL have said, okay, but you can start at the bottom as we have our supporters paying money to watch their clubs who have told us that if we are leapfrogged in any way, shape of form, we aren't coming back.' To be fair the supporters of the small clubs have done a great service to the integrity of the game, especially those doing themselves out of a quick windfall in Div 1. . Rangers (in Administration) have two choices: 1- amit the old Rangers is dead and start in Div 3 with nothing, no history- no leagues, no cups, no silverware nothing. That club is now Maidstone, Meadowbank, Third Lanark, Newport County. Gone forever or restarted anew. Albeit with a massive fanbase. BUT no more 54 titles and 100 trophies in all- the only world record now is for newest club. 2- Keep the old Rangers alive and take the punishment. The company will start the season minus ten points and skint as punishment for beginning a new season still in administration. The club will then face the punishment for ineligible players in 700 plus matches from the SPL and cups where they broke the rules to win. Result is stripping of titles and trophies and awarded to the teams they defaulted. At least 18 trophies will go to Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee, Queen of the South etc etc etc. In addition to this, HMRC will still chase the new club for money owed. 3- Be prepared for the compensation claims from the lost European revenue from cheated league rivals and cup finalists. If the McRangers FC franchise exists in the terms of (2) it can be expected to be legally bounded by HMRC to pay it's tax and NI upfront for several years as a surety as the club has a rich history of running the club on money due to the government. The punishment hasn't begun yet- what has happened today is a consequence of going out of business. The corpse kicking will now begin in earnest. the club seeking a place in the league are ' sevco' etc not old rangers. Old rangers now have nothing. Sevco and their fans are happy to start in di v 3. What they are worried about is that sevco doesn't own Ibrox yet and it's thought that this hasn't really been put out in to the public domain, basically that hmrc will get the transfer of ibrox set aside and do what they want with it. Sevco may turn out to have nothing. you're right to say this its just the beginning as the taxman its determined to make an example here. To say that fraud, cheating, and corruption has been inherent within rangers from top to bottom and within the governance of the game up is an understatement
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 13, 2012 17:33:01 GMT
They will be back in the SPL soon enough. Scum always rises to the top.
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Post by lythampotter on Jul 13, 2012 17:42:15 GMT
Does anyone know which clubs benefit from this? Presumably some clubs are going to be promoted that otherwise wouldn't have been. I have tried to find out but to no avail. Anybody ITK would be good. Cheers.
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Post by OnionBag on Jul 13, 2012 17:46:57 GMT
Now they're discussing an SPL2......money always talks
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 13, 2012 17:52:36 GMT
I will be very interested to see the affect this will have on the other SPL clubs , Celtic apart, Im sure it will have serious financial implications for the smaller clubs
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Post by werrington on Jul 13, 2012 17:57:43 GMT
I will be very interested to see the affect this will have on the other SPL clubs , Celtic apart, Im sure it will have serious financial implications for the smaller clubs It will also have serious implications for Celtic also. On the radio today it stated Celtic would lose around £5m through all of this as the TV companies etc only want the SPL rights for the Old Firm games. Celtic and Rangers although they despise each other also need each other in equal measure
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 13, 2012 18:02:33 GMT
I will be very interested to see the affect this will have on the other SPL clubs , Celtic apart, Im sure it will have serious financial implications for the smaller clubs Like i said earlier they all convene on Monday and it was said its not beyound the realms of possibility that they could vote to reinstate them in the SPL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 18:08:33 GMT
I will be very interested to see the affect this will have on the other SPL clubs , Celtic apart, Im sure it will have serious financial implications for the smaller clubs Like i said earlier they all convene on Monday and it was said its not beyound the realms of possibility that they could vote to reinstate them in the SPL. They could do that, but if they do uefa will ban scottish clubs from european club football and fifa will prevent the national team from competing.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 13, 2012 18:10:51 GMT
Like i said earlier they all convene on Monday and it was said its not beyound the realms of possibility that they could vote to reinstate them in the SPL. They could do that, but if they do uefa will ban scottish clubs from european club football and fifa will prevent the national team from competing. Have they come out and said this mate?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 18:49:48 GMT
They could do that, but if they do uefa will ban scottish clubs from european club football and fifa will prevent the national team from competing. Have they come out and said this mate? Well it's been reported in the press up here that is what would happen and fifa have spublicly said that if the scottish fa don't deal with it properly they will. 3rd division was always inevitable but this is just the start. Hmrc will want the administrators and the transfer of the assets looked into
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jul 13, 2012 19:10:33 GMT
Anyone else find it funny that Rangers won't have the biggest ground in the Scottish 3rd Division?
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 13, 2012 20:38:25 GMT
On a side note the SPL is going to be a duller than dull thing on a dull tuesday in dullville.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 20:52:14 GMT
Shame.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 13, 2012 20:58:31 GMT
I will be very interested to see the affect this will have on the other SPL clubs , Celtic apart, Im sure it will have serious financial implications for the smaller clubs It will also have serious implications for Celtic also. On the radio today it stated Celtic would lose around £5m through all of this as the TV companies etc only want the SPL rights for the Old Firm games. Celtic and Rangers although they despise each other also need each other in equal measure Yeeeeees. Kill them both off. Excellent stuff for football as a whole.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 13, 2012 21:01:07 GMT
Frightening that a club of that stature can just cease to exist.
Wake up call for everyone.
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 13, 2012 21:24:35 GMT
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 13, 2012 21:55:33 GMT
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Post by digger on Jul 13, 2012 21:55:59 GMT
They will be back in the SPL soon enough. Scum always rises to the top. ??? thought celtic were still in the spl
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 13, 2012 22:03:46 GMT
They will be back in the SPL soon enough. Scum always rises to the top. ??? thought celtic were still in the spl ;D
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jul 13, 2012 22:44:01 GMT
Chilly Jocko football will get what it deserves by turning it's back on Rangers. Now don't get me wrong I ain't got any time for the ginger nadded fuckers. I think that 'Stafford' Rangers Could challenge Celtic,but, the average crowds will plummet in the Spl without Rangers and Sky will run from their sponsorship like a Scotsman from a job interview. So you reap just what you sow you sporran wearing haggis shaggers.
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Post by basingstokie on Jul 14, 2012 5:49:25 GMT
I will be very interested to see the affect this will have on the other SPL clubs , Celtic apart, Im sure it will have serious financial implications for the smaller clubs It will also have serious implications for Celtic also. On the radio today it stated Celtic would lose around £5m through all of this as the TV companies etc only want the SPL rights for the Old Firm games. Celtic and Rangers although they despise each other also need each other in equal measure Will it really affect Celtic though? The SPL will be so poor that they can sell anyone with any talent whatsoever and sign Parkin, Davies, Pericard, Whitley etc and they'd still walk the title. Massive savings to be had on wages
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 14, 2012 6:09:30 GMT
It will also have serious implications for Celtic also. On the radio today it stated Celtic would lose around £5m through all of this as the TV companies etc only want the SPL rights for the Old Firm games. Celtic and Rangers although they despise each other also need each other in equal measure Will it really affect Celtic though? The SPL will be so poor that they can sell anyone with any talent whatsoever and sign Parkin, Davies, Pericard, Whitley etc and they'd still walk the title. Massive savings to be had on wages I think it puts Celtic in a rather awkward position. They could, as you say, allow their squad to diminish in ability but that would mean they would get knocked out of Europe at an earlier stage - possibly even not make it htrough the group stages. Secondly, they will probably lose Sky money - will Sky sit tight when there is no prospect of an Old Firm Derby in the League for 4 years? Third, presumably, Rangers will work their way back in four or five years when the rivalry will resume. Will Celtic have a competitive side by then if they have allowed their squad to lose its best players? Will decent players join them anymore than they will join Rangers? Who knows what the relative competitiveness of the two clubs will be like by the time they are in the same league again?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 14, 2012 6:42:05 GMT
On the other hand Celtic could be the first British professional club to win maximum points in a season.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 14, 2012 6:53:55 GMT
On the other hand Celtic could be the first British professional club to win maximum points in a season. Would anyone beyond Celtic's most diehard fans think that was a cause for celebration? Would the fans of any other club in Scotland or any club in the rest of Britain feel it was a good thing? Would it enhance Celtic's standing in the world of football?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 14, 2012 8:27:54 GMT
Will it really affect Celtic though? The SPL will be so poor that they can sell anyone with any talent whatsoever and sign Parkin, Davies, Pericard, Whitley etc and they'd still walk the title. Massive savings to be had on wages I think it puts Celtic in a rather awkward position. They could, as you say, allow their squad to diminish in ability but that would mean they would get knocked out of Europe at an earlier stage - possibly even not make it htrough the group stages. Secondly, they will probably lose Sky money - will Sky sit tight when there is no prospect of an Old Firm Derby in the League for 4 years? Third, presumably, Rangers will work their way back in four or five years when the rivalry will resume. Will Celtic have a competitive side by then if they have allowed their squad to lose its best players? Will decent players join them anymore than they will join Rangers? Who knows what the relative competitiveness of the two clubs will be like by the time they are in the same league again? I do wonder whether there might be more interest in the SPL than people think. Are Rangers fans going to stop watching? I think I will probably watch more to be honest. The biggest thing surely is the block vote has gone. I want to see what effect that has.
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Post by sovietonion on Jul 14, 2012 8:29:32 GMT
Will it really affect Celtic though? The SPL will be so poor that they can sell anyone with any talent whatsoever and sign Parkin, Davies, Pericard, Whitley etc and they'd still walk the title. Massive savings to be had on wages I think it puts Celtic in a rather awkward position. They could, as you say, allow their squad to diminish in ability but that would mean they would get knocked out of Europe at an earlier stage - possibly even not make it htrough the group stages. Secondly, they will probably lose Sky money - will Sky sit tight when there is no prospect of an Old Firm Derby in the League for 4 years? Third, presumably, Rangers will work their way back in four or five years when the rivalry will resume. Will Celtic have a competitive side by then if they have allowed their squad to lose its best players? Will decent players join them anymore than they will join Rangers? Who knows what the relative competitiveness of the two clubs will be like by the time they are in the same league again? For Celtic, getting to the last 16 of the CL is a rarity- they've done it once. The value of this competition for Celtic is the initial qualification funds and the attraction of 6 CL games minimum on a players CV. About 10-15 million quid and the opportunity of players much more open to a move. Sky will certainly renegotiate but as it stands its the worst TV deal in Europe for a top flight league. Considering the Scottish nation is only 5 million people and supports 41 professional clubs, there is very little money to be had and it's redistribution is appalling even though the support is relatively good for the nation's size. This is why most clubs hate the SFA- they're useless and their entire raison d'etre for keeping Rangers up the top is the clinging to a failed business model that has suited absolutely nobody. Finally, I think only the Rangers name (or it's variant) will attract players. Financially they are in ruins. Their reputation for paying the taxman, fellow clubs and players is in ruins. The new owner looks as Del Boy as the last one. Would you loan or sell to them without the full balance upfront? Add to this the fact that every hatchet man from Gretna Green to Wick will fancy making a name for himself by booting a representative of the 'former Huns' up in the air like a cup final TV moment, it may be slightly harder than people think......
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Post by scfclurker on Jul 14, 2012 21:26:01 GMT
I'll get to see them next season twice for a tenner (or 12 quid seated). It will be interesting to see Borough Briggs at capacity (not sure thats ever happened before). They do a cracking Bovril there too
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Post by boothenender on Jul 14, 2012 21:53:12 GMT
i have watched 'gers many times over the years.. and enjoyed every game and the atmosphere. have also had the "pleasure" to watch a celtic v leeds "challenge at park head,two of the most hated clubs in british football tear lumps off each other...yep i am a footy fan. also watched falkirk , alloa and cally thistle. i fear that the vast majority of scottish clubs will suffer and quite a few will go to the wall. the only good things that have come out of this mess are that SFA and SPL have shown to the world that they have finally grown a pair of balls and managed to maintain their integrity.. RANGERS ONWARDS AND UPWARDS... FOLLOW..FOLLOW.
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Post by shinosbro on Jul 15, 2012 2:13:04 GMT
think its quite interesting/revealing that in all this discussion nobody seems to have considered that it might not be that easy for a club with no squad (are they allowed transfers now, after liquidation?) to get promoted 1st time from either the 1st or the 3rd division.
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