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Post by mailman44 on Jul 8, 2012 16:31:51 GMT
I know a lot on here love slagging off the MLS as a Mickey mouse league but I have really enjoyed watching it this summer and think there are quite a few gems/diamonds in the rough in that league. Goalkeepers specially seem exceptional, Sean JohnsOn, Ben Hamid, Tally Hall, Jimmy Nielsen etc are just some of the best. These nEw stadiums in KC, Houston, New York, Colorado etc are fantastic also. If you need a footy fix this summer check out MLS.0
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 8, 2012 20:47:08 GMT
Interesting quote from Geoffrey there "I know what it is to be a center midfielder. There I don't like my center backs just pumping the ball up. Especially when you have someone wide open in the center.Whoops ;D It's ok, when do our midfielders ever make themselves wide open? ;D ;D Good point
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Post by aldershotstoke on Jul 8, 2012 21:41:54 GMT
@agentstaffs: Geoff Cameron could be a Stoke player before the squad travel to the US.
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Post by Maccca100 on Jul 8, 2012 21:45:45 GMT
@agentstaffs: Geoff Cameron could be a Stoke player before the squad travel to the US. I am guessing we will wait until we are out there to finalise it. But it will happen. Looks an exciting "out the box" signing
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Post by luke2u on Jul 9, 2012 12:57:15 GMT
I can't see why we should buy a player who can't get a regular palce in the US national team. Their league isn't that good, and when you see some other players in the US team ahead of him, I really wonder what our plans are.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 9, 2012 13:01:36 GMT
I can't see why we should buy a player who can't get a regular palce in the US national team. Their league isn't that good, and when you see some other players in the US team ahead of him, I really wonder what our plans are. I think you underestimate the US team. Crouch can't get in the English team yet we bought him and the US team isn't so far below the English team in the rankings. And, unlike Crouch, who will probably not play for England again, Cameron seems set to win a good few more caps. He may be a late developer but he looks to be on the up.
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Post by luke2u on Jul 9, 2012 13:11:41 GMT
One of the players keeping him out is Clarence Goodson, who played in the Norwegian 2nd division for most of the time, while Cameron was on the bench.
Many good players in the US team, but not that good in many positions in my opinion.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 9, 2012 13:58:39 GMT
I can't see why we should buy a player who can't get a regular palce in the US national team. Their league isn't that good, and when you see some other players in the US team ahead of him, I really wonder what our plans are. I can see why you are worried, but don`t forget we are looking at a third, or maybe even fouth choice central defender here. We are cutting our cloth this summer and now Woodgate has gone Pulis will be looking for a player who wont mind sitting on the bench and settling for the odd cup game here and there. I like the look of Cameron. From the snippets i`ve seen and heard he is strong, quick, enthusiastic and young enough to learn and improve. Its a clever signing in my opinion.
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Post by steventweed on Jul 9, 2012 14:01:34 GMT
The US national team have done much better than England in most recent World Cups right? They aren't bad at all.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 9, 2012 14:19:08 GMT
IF Upson stays, it'll be interesting to see where he fits in, at CB, CM and maybe RB - and how many minutes of action he'd see.
Shawcross Huth Upson Cameron?
Whelan Whitehead Palacios Delap Ness Cameron?
Wilkinson Shotton Wilson Cameron?
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 9, 2012 14:34:41 GMT
Footballing centre half, i genuinely expect to see him played at right back.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 9, 2012 22:07:51 GMT
twitter.com/OrtizKicksDynamo 100 % support Cameron move Stoke: “The club is in favor of this transfer, and we are in support of it happening,” Canetti said.
More Canetti on Stoke-Cameron talks: “We will continue to work with the league as they go through the process and make their decision.”
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Jul 9, 2012 23:22:12 GMT
I can't see why we should buy a player who can't get a regular palce in the US national team. Their league isn't that good, and when you see some other players in the US team ahead of him, I really wonder what our plans are. As Fornie says, there's very little difference between the USA and England at international level. Shawcross doesn't get a look in for England, does that make him a poor player? Mickstupp sums it up well, above
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Post by luke2u on Jul 10, 2012 6:59:54 GMT
USA and England are probably at the same level as a side, but I don't think that say all about their players. Look at some other nations in the past, did Northern Ireland have a squad full of star players when they won their group in the 1982 World cup?
USA are great as a team, but when it comes down to each player, I'm not very impressed, with a few exceptions.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2012 7:51:53 GMT
www.chron.com/sports/dynamo/article/Dynamo-supports-Cameron-s-transfer-to-Stoke-City-3694635.phpStoke City submitted a bid for Cameron, 26, last month, and it made a formal written offer last week.
According to multiple sources involved in the talks, MLS is being offered $2.7 million for Cameron, which would be a record exchange for a Dynamo player.
The Dynamo would receive two-thirds of the transfer fee on Cameron.
A decision from Garber was expected to come as early as Monday, but it appears as though the single-entity league's owners won't decide until Thursday.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 10, 2012 8:05:37 GMT
He won't get in ahead of Huth or Shawcross.
Is he the new RB?
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 10, 2012 8:12:22 GMT
He won't get in ahead of Huth or Shawcross. Is he the new RB? Bound to be. He is similar to Wilson in how he can play CB as well as CM. So it is more than likely that he will be thrown to play RB.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2012 8:18:52 GMT
6'3" CB/CM who is physical and has played his early football as a right winger....
RB definitely seems an option in the Pulis mind, as well as providing cover for CB - especially if Upson goes.
There was talk in the American press of him being primarily seen as a CM, but that doesn't seem to make much sense given our squad needs
Mind you, with him being 27 this week and 'only' on £3,000-a-week and the clock ticking on him getting a life-changing offer, he'd probably accept a contract on £1m-a-year to be the new kit man or Golden Goal Girl.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 10, 2012 8:20:34 GMT
He won't get in ahead of Huth or Shawcross. Is he the new RB? Bound to be. He is similar to Wilson in how he can play CB as well as CM. So it is more than likely that he will be thrown to play RB. I don’t see it as a Wilson situation really. Firstly, Wilson is a right footer playing on the left. I’m assuming Cameron is right footed so if he is to play at RB then at least he’s on his natural side. Secondly, Wilson was brought in and he was a natural midfield platyer and he had to learn the defensive side of the game. Again, from what I’ve read of Cameron, he is first and foremost a defender so that side of his game should be sound. The fact he can also play in midfield may suggest he can get forward too?? All ifs and buts mind, never seen him play so it’s a gamble how it will pan out if he comes. One things for sure, him and Ness are strange signings. Suppose it’s a good sign we’re casting the net further afield.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 10, 2012 8:26:40 GMT
Bound to be. He is similar to Wilson in how he can play CB as well as CM. So it is more than likely that he will be thrown to play RB. I don’t see it as a Wilson situation really. Firstly, Wilson is a right footer playing on the left. I’m assuming Cameron is right footed so if he is to play at RB then at least he’s on his natural side. Secondly, Wilson was brought in and he was a natural midfield platyer and he had to learn the defensive side of the game. Again, from what I’ve read of Cameron, he is first and foremost a defender so that side of his game should be sound. The fact he can also play in midfield may suggest he can get forward too?? All ifs and buts mind, never seen him play so it’s a gamble how it will pan out if he comes. One things for sure, him and Ness are strange signings.Suppose it’s a good sign we’re casting the net further afield. Although I have never seen them play before (apart from Ness's goal against Celtic which has been posted on here about a thousand times! ;D) I will be very disappointed if they have been signed to play in the first 11. I think they will be great squad players but I really hope that we add some quality to our starting 11 which would no doubt help us to push on to the top half of the table.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2012 8:27:54 GMT
All ifs and buts mind, never seen him play so it’s a gamble how it will pan out if he comes. One things for sure, him and Ness are strange signings. Suppose it’s a good sign we’re casting the net further afield. Strange is good. Dunno whether it's economising that's forced our hand - and suddenly Nessy on a free and Cameron for £1.7m look more attractive than a Championship player for £4-5m. Whatever the reason, it's encouraging that we're looling beyond our usual stomping grounds
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 10, 2012 8:30:29 GMT
Agreed FM.
We just need some 5ft 2" 18 year old from Japan to complete the box of tricks now!
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Post by foster on Jul 10, 2012 8:31:42 GMT
Cameron and Ness... two players that pre window I'd never heard of and would have been mightily disappointed about signing.
Seems that while we're spending ages getting these in, our competitors are bringing in players with experience. Players that we know would improve our squad.
Still plenty of time yet, but come on, at least bring in someone relatively quickly. These long drawn out transfers seem to affect us more than any other team. Even for players that probably have no other interested parties.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 10, 2012 8:33:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:13:26 GMT
Cameron and Ness... two players that pre window I'd never heard of and would have been mightily disappointed about signing. Seems that while we're spending ages getting these in, our competitors are bringing in players with experience. Players that we know would improve our squad. Still plenty of time yet, but come on, at least bring in someone relatively quickly. These long drawn out transfers seem to affect us more than any other team. Even for players that probably have no other interested parties. Everton, Norwich & Southampton are all affected by the same issue re Ness plus Cameron seems to be a decent acquisition for very little outlay. There is not an awful amount of activity other than at QPR who have huge wages to pay www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2145179/Premier-League-transfers--summer-2012.html
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 10, 2012 9:29:32 GMT
Cameron is only on $3,000 a week apparently, so this deal could turn out to be a bargain....if he's not absolute dog shite that is...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:34:29 GMT
Cameron and Ness... two players that pre window I'd never heard of and would have been mightily disappointed about signing. Seems that while we're spending ages getting these in, our competitors are bringing in players with experience. Players that we know would improve our squad. Still plenty of time yet, but come on, at least bring in someone relatively quickly. These long drawn out transfers seem to affect us more than any other team. Even for players that probably have no other interested parties. Which 'competitors' are they though really? Other than Diame, which realistic targets have we missed out on so far? Most teams indulge in transfer brinkmanship to a degree. Personally I'm encouraged that at long last we're looking young or youngish options and players in other leagues to supplement our usual targets. We should have been doing this years ago.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 10, 2012 9:45:00 GMT
Cameron and Ness... two players that pre window I'd never heard of and would have been mightily disappointed about signing. Seems that while we're spending ages getting these in, our competitors are bringing in players with experience. Players that we know would improve our squad. Still plenty of time yet, but come on, at least bring in someone relatively quickly. These long drawn out transfers seem to affect us more than any other team. Even for players that probably have no other interested parties. The management Team cannot win then, people (including me) are always crying out for us to explore the foreign market and sign some youngsters. Now they are on the verge of doing so, they are getting moaned at for not getting experience in.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Jul 10, 2012 10:10:13 GMT
Cameron and Ness... two players that pre window I'd never heard of and would have been mightily disappointed about signing. Seems that while we're spending ages getting these in, our competitors are bringing in players with experience. Players that we know would improve our squad. Still plenty of time yet, but come on, at least bring in someone relatively quickly. These long drawn out transfers seem to affect us more than any other team. Even for players that probably have no other interested parties. The management Team cannot win then, people (including me) are always crying out for us to explore the foreign market and sign some youngsters. Now they are on the verge of doing so, they are getting moaned at for not getting experience in. Correct. At 1.7M its a great business deal. If he flops its cost us next to nowt in comparison. If he does well we get a bargain. If he does really well we sell him on for a big profit - which helps with the self sufficiency. It also gets our name out and about in the USA - along with the friendlies.
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Post by foster on Jul 10, 2012 13:01:49 GMT
The management Team cannot win then, people (including me) are always crying out for us to explore the foreign market and sign some youngsters. Now they are on the verge of doing so, they are getting moaned at for not getting experience in. Correct. At 1.7M its a great business deal. If he flops its cost us next to nowt in comparison. If he does well we get a bargain. If he does really well we sell him on for a big profit - which helps with the self sufficiency. It also gets our name out and about in the USA - along with the friendlies. Scotland is hardly the foreign market is it. Maybe they will both turn out to be good, but my point is that we spend bloody ages signing what can be perceived as mediocre players - at the time of signing. As for getting our name out and about in the US. If we play like we did at the back end of last season, then we'll be more likely to deter potential fans rather than attract them.
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