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Post by elsidibe on Nov 18, 2011 16:43:59 GMT
They should both be punished by having to black up for the remainder of the season.
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Post by greyman on Nov 18, 2011 16:49:00 GMT
Good grief you make a comment on a topical subject that is currenly in the news and you get hammered with all sorts - Kylelightbourne says im an idiot, ive been branded sad and stupid - the oatcake message board is an unforgiving place. Anyway ill stick to my original comments thank you very much - it seems some people cannot exchange views without being insulting. Im not ignorant, I am not racist, im not stupid or an idiot - i have a view and if you don't agree fine. No need to resort to childish insults. The point I wanted to make is the punishment should fit the crime - life bans etc is a disproportionate punishment in my opinion. Things need to be put into a little bit of perspective - noone has been killed, raped etc................. So you think that unless John Terry raped Ferdinand, he should be left alone? Thank God you're not in charge of the FA. All people are asking for is that if the FA is going to have its Kick It Out campaign, then it should apply to everybody. If they agree with Blatter that players should be allowed to racially abuse each other, then so be it. I won't be watching the game anymore but at least we'll know where we stand.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Nov 18, 2011 16:53:17 GMT
Good grief you make a comment on a topical subject that is currenly in the news and you get hammered with all sorts - Kylelightbourne says im an idiot, ive been branded sad and stupid - the oatcake message board is an unforgiving place. Anyway ill stick to my original comments thank you very much - it seems some people cannot exchange views without being insulting. Im not ignorant, I am not racist, im not stupid or an idiot - i have a view and if you don't agree fine. No need to resort to childish insults. The point I wanted to make is the punishment should fit the crime - life bans etc is a disproportionate punishment in my opinion. Things need to be put into a little bit of perspective - noone has been killed, raped etc................. When did I call you an idiot?!! Go back and read before you start crying I said anybody who can't see the difference between someone taking the piss out of ginger hair and being racist, is an idiot, and I stand by that statement 100% there is a huge difference, I'm not gonna talk you through the history and origins of racism and civil rights. Jesus Christ
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Post by peepin on Nov 18, 2011 16:57:53 GMT
Ohhh good a thread about race.......havent had one of them for a while. zzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 18, 2011 17:00:51 GMT
I knew there'd be trouble letting these darkies play with the whiteys.
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Post by Countydog on Nov 18, 2011 20:54:43 GMT
Don't get me wrong racism is deplorable and completely wrong and if proven to be true Messrs Terry and Suarez deserve to be punished, there is completely no place for it in a civilised society. The debate for me however is the level of punishment - I have read threads calling for life bans and 10 games bans which I think is excessive. Again I maintain such punishments are disproportionate in my opinion - noone has been raped or murdered here. Thats not to say I am trying to water down the serious nature of their conduct - its just - lets get things into some sort of perspective. The public shame of it, abuse for the rest of their careers from the terraces, a big fine, 3-5 match ban yes - but life ? No I think not. In the case of John Terry you can also add being stripped of the England captainship - all of that is sufficient in my opinion.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Nov 18, 2011 21:00:32 GMT
Don't get me wrong racism is deplorable and completely wrong and if proven to be true Messrs Terry and Suarez deserve to be punished, there is completely no place for it in a civilised society. The debate for me however is the level of punishment - I have read threads calling for life bans and 10 games bans which I think is excessive. Again I maintain such punishments are disproportionate in my opinion - noone has been raped or murdered here. Thats not to say I am trying to water down the serious nature of their conduct - its just - lets get things into some sort of perspective. The public shame of it, abuse for the rest of their careers from the terraces, a big fine, 3-5 match ban yes - but life ? No I think not. In the case of John Terry you can also add being stripped of the England captainship - all of that is sufficient in my opinion. a 10 game ban is nothing!! You say there is "completely no place" for racism but a ten game ban is excessive?? You talk about "life bans and 10 game bans" like theyre in the same ball park, they are a million miles apart I've never suggested a life ban, but there should be strict punishments
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 18, 2011 21:33:30 GMT
I find this whole thing pretty disgusting to be honest and I include some of the "black" players and ex players involved in this.
Paul Elliot for instance is a leading voice in the "Kick it Out Campaign" and is clearly well in with the FA. Probably due to fear of jeopardising his own position in the hierarchies of Football administration, he actually defended, to some extent, the comments of Blatter and said effectively said that he was misunderstood having done some remarkable work in Africa.
Equally, Rio Ferdinand. Immediately blasted Blatter on Twitter following his comments and then launched into comment on Gus Poyet this morning. However, he hasn't tweeted a word about Terry's racist abuse of his own brother. Again, acting to an agenda that suits himself and not his slurred family member.
In that respect, these people don't help themselves.
It was great to hear Dion Dublin, Les Ferdinand and Dwight Yorke comment and denounce every aspect of racism and it is a pity that those mentioned above didn't do likewise.
Blatter, Suarez, Poyet, Terry and any other vile scumbag that cares to utter racist slurs to people of a different skin colour should be hung out to dry. It isn't acceptable under any circumstances.
The FA should have thrown the book at Terry. It is clear as day what he said to Anton Ferdinand but again, they dally.
The kick racism out campaign is a joke because those at the highest level of our game do absolutely nothing about it when faced with an incident of massive proportions.
Poyet, Terry, Suarez and Blatter should all be sacked, suspended, fined or given whatever is the highest possible form of punishment.
Blatter should be sacked, Poyet and Suarez should be deported and Terry should be banned for the rest of the season at the very least and hit with a multi-million pound fine and even a prison sentence.
Then and only then, will people start to take racism seriously and realise that it is not acceptable in any walk of life!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 18, 2011 21:59:26 GMT
Who can sack Blatter? And maybe Rio cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. It will be interesting if Terry is found guilty (and will somebody please think of the endorsements ) what Rio will say. Will he line up in and England team with him? Should Terry be banned from international football? Maybe he should be as that will hurt him personally and financially and quite frankly would send out the strongest message to the rest of the world. All this should be used in a positive way to educate the next generation and act as a warning that it won't be tolerated even if you are the England captain.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 18, 2011 22:21:49 GMT
Call me paranoid but does anyone think if it was Andy Wilkinson who'd said the things that John Terry has reportedly said, it would have been dealt with by now and that we wouldn't be seeing much of Wilko in the near future?
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 18, 2011 22:27:01 GMT
Equally, Rio Ferdinand. Immediately blasted Blatter on Twitter following his comments and then launched into comment on Gus Poyet this morning. However, he hasn't tweeted a word about Terry's racist abuse of his own brother. Again, acting to an agenda that suits himself and not his slurred family member. Hang on a minute, what happened with Terry is still totally unknown and unproven - the "slurred family member" hasn't even said anything about it yet...! Slightly different from doing several interviews in the media denying that racism in football exists and that victims of it should just accept it as a part of the game.
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Post by santy on Nov 18, 2011 22:49:15 GMT
Being bigoted and prejudicial to people who don't match societies demanded behaviour towards the ethnic minorities has just stepped into the void left by people being less bigoted and prejudicial to people who didn't match previous societies demanded skin colours.
It's now perfectly fine and reasonable to say disgusting and prejudicial things about someone who makes a comment generally perceived as racist.
Go back 50 years and it was perfectly fine and reasonable to say disgusting and prejudicial things about someone who was of a different skin colour.
People are bigoted and prejudicial, they just swap one target dummy for another. Instead of ethnic minorities being criminals/vandals/generally terrible people its now the 'neanderthals' who are the criminals/vandals/generally terrible people.
To be able to say as you want about who you want you just have to keep up with the trend of who the acceptable target is. We are running out of targets though, lower classes have come and gone, women have been and gone, ethnic minorities too, now its generally people who don't agree with societies norms it should get a good bit of mileage but the general "Oh X is a terrible person because of Y" is rapidly running out of variables.
Also, don't take this as a condemning or supporting of either side as its neither.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 18, 2011 22:56:54 GMT
Being bigoted and prejudicial to people who don't match societies demanded behaviour towards the ethnic minorities has just stepped into the void left by people being less bigoted and prejudicial to people who didn't match previous societies demanded skin colours. It's now perfectly fine and reasonable to say disgusting and prejudicial things about someone who makes a comment generally perceived as racist. Go back 50 years and it was perfectly fine and reasonable to say disgusting and prejudicial things about someone who was of a different skin colour. People are bigoted and prejudicial, they just swap one target dummy for another. Instead of ethnic minorities being criminals/vandals/generally terrible people its now the 'neanderthals' who are the criminals/vandals/generally terrible people. To be able to say as you want about who you want you just have to keep up with the trend of who the acceptable target is. We are running out of targets though, lower classes have come and gone, women have been and gone, ethnic minorities too, now its generally people who don't agree with societies norms it should get a good bit of mileage but the general "Oh X is a terrible person because of Y" is rapidly running out of variables. Also, don't take this as a condemning or supporting of either side as its neither. What a strange way of looking at it - you seem to be saying that "acceptable targets" for abuse are some sort of human necessity like natural resources. Oh what will we do when the world runs out of people to abuse...?
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Post by santy on Nov 18, 2011 23:10:00 GMT
Each society always has its own, some societies still have women bearing the brunt of it for their actions, as well as ethnic minorities in those countries.
The premise does follow though, it doesn't matter who, what or why about X as time has passed on X could be:
A woman A black man An asian man A chav A modern racist (lets face it most modern day racists, and in general our racists on the whole in this country have little on the extremities of the KKK in America etc)
X is terrible because of [insert prejudged comment here]
More and more frequently its not about trying to educate people or help them see the right (as in a way that causes least friction in society) but instead condemning them, backing them into a corner and brow beating them for views which have been the norm in what has basically been a differing social and cultural upbringing.
Even in this thread you see the same close minded persecution of people who are deemed racist that you would see of a black man in 1920's/1930's Texas - baying for the same kind of things that happened to them.
A comment from DaveJohnno's post:
It's quite easy to imagine something akin to that in terms of close-mindedness coming from someone donning white sheets talking about black people, maybe to: any other vile scumbag that cares to utter about equality should be hung out to dry
You have a perfectly fitting prejudiced statement, all that has changed is the X variable.
Look at the following statements:
Women are subhuman, they don't deserve to be treated the same as us. Black people are subhuman, they don't deserve to be treated the same as us. Disabled people are subhuman, they don't deserve to be treated the same as us. Racists are subhuman, they don't deserve to be treated the same as us.
1, 2 & 3 are completely unacceptable in our corner of the world, 4 is fine - infact saying things like that can even earn you 'respect' and 'admiration' from peers. Much like 1,2 & 3 would in a different time or a different corner of the world.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 18, 2011 23:31:11 GMT
Being bigoted and prejudicial to people who don't match societies demanded behaviour towards the ethnic minorities has just stepped into the void left by people being less bigoted and prejudicial to people who didn't match previous societies demanded skin colours. It's now perfectly fine and reasonable to say disgusting and prejudicial things about someone who makes a comment generally perceived as racist. Go back 50 years and it was perfectly fine and reasonable to say disgusting and prejudicial things about someone who was of a different skin colour. People are bigoted and prejudicial, they just swap one target dummy for another. Instead of ethnic minorities being criminals/vandals/generally terrible people its now the 'neanderthals' who are the criminals/vandals/generally terrible people.To be able to say as you want about who you want you just have to keep up with the trend of who the acceptable target is. We are running out of targets though, lower classes have come and gone, women have been and gone, ethnic minorities too, now its generally people who don't agree with societies norms it should get a good bit of mileage but the general "Oh X is a terrible person because of Y" is rapidly running out of variables. Also, don't take this as a condemning or supporting of either side as its neither. Of course you are right Santy ... it makes people feel better about their own inadequate self. But what sort of punishment (if any and if found guilty) do you think would be appropriate for Suarez and Terry?
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Post by santy on Nov 19, 2011 0:02:28 GMT
You can only punish people you have power over, unfortunately there is little punishment that can be put on those two. If your child misbehaves you can take their PS3/360 away, by the time they get to what 7/8 years old they can go to a friends and play theirs instead.
If someone comes around your house as an adult and tries to take your PS3/360 away for 'misbehaving' they probably get a verbal response at the very least.
Quite frankly I don't think you can punish Terry or Suarez, pretty much every outcome either has a loophole or a chance to profit. They're not completely immune to punishment in the same way a powerful nation is, but for racist remarks on a one-off case (at least interms of being investigated) there is nothing that can be done. If they had been on a raping spree or killing spree then there would be more options for punishment, but their money gets them amazing legal teams, any punishment they faced would be far less than the average man.
The same society that creates the mentality to persecute them for these actions also created the situation where they can't be punished for it. At the end of the day even a season long ban wouldn't be much, a permanent ban would be overturned, expulsion from FIFA has clubs in the middle-east who aren't FIFA recognised. Even then it becomes a case of putting a greater punishment on those who have done no wrong than on those who have been deemed to have done wrong.
Punishment only exists when there is power and control, footballers have the power and control in the sport at the moment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 19, 2011 0:21:44 GMT
You can only punish people you have power over, unfortunately there is little punishment that can be put on those two. If your child misbehaves you can take their PS3/360 away, by the time they get to what 7/8 years old they can go to a friends and play theirs instead. If someone comes around your house as an adult and tries to take your PS3/360 away for 'misbehaving' they probably get a verbal response at the very least. Quite frankly I don't think you can punish Terry or Suarez, pretty much every outcome either has a loophole or a chance to profit. They're not completely immune to punishment in the same way a powerful nation is, but for racist remarks on a one-off case (at least interms of being investigated) there is nothing that can be done. If they had been on a raping spree or killing spree then there would be more options for punishment, but their money gets them amazing legal teams, any punishment they faced would be far less than the average man. The same society that creates the mentality to persecute them for these actions also created the situation where they can't be punished for it. At the end of the day even a season long ban wouldn't be much, a permanent ban would be overturned, expulsion from FIFA has clubs in the middle-east who aren't FIFA recognised. Even then it becomes a case of putting a greater punishment on those who have done no wrong than on those who have been deemed to have done wrong. Punishment only exists when there is power and control, footballers have the power and control in the sport at the moment. That's an excellent response Santy and I agree with much of it. Indeed I'm sure we're about to witness the inepitude of the FA in both cases, however if the CPS does prosecute Terry (as is increasingly looking likely) then I'm not so certain (well I hope anyway) that's it's going to be such a walk in the park for him, regardless of his status.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Nov 19, 2011 0:32:28 GMT
It only remains to be seen how many professional footballs have been irreparably & psychologically damaged as a result of racist abuse /comments.
The sum total I would guess is less than 3....Yes 3.
Hours and hours of social debate and exasperation culminating in very little we didn't already know.
Blatter meanwhile, plods on regardless with no intention of resignation , and it would seem with the full backing of most of the European countries where little fuss or anger has been shown. It would appear that this problem is mainly reserved for the attention of us Brits.
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Post by onionman on Nov 19, 2011 0:34:53 GMT
You can only punish people you have power over, unfortunately there is little punishment that can be put on those two. If your child misbehaves you can take their PS3/360 away, by the time they get to what 7/8 years old they can go to a friends and play theirs instead. If someone comes around your house as an adult and tries to take your PS3/360 away for 'misbehaving' they probably get a verbal response at the very least. Quite frankly I don't think you can punish Terry or Suarez, pretty much every outcome either has a loophole or a chance to profit. They're not completely immune to punishment in the same way a powerful nation is, but for racist remarks on a one-off case (at least interms of being investigated) there is nothing that can be done. If they had been on a raping spree or killing spree then there would be more options for punishment, but their money gets them amazing legal teams, any punishment they faced would be far less than the average man. The same society that creates the mentality to persecute them for these actions also created the situation where they can't be punished for it. At the end of the day even a season long ban wouldn't be much, a permanent ban would be overturned, expulsion from FIFA has clubs in the middle-east who aren't FIFA recognised. Even then it becomes a case of putting a greater punishment on those who have done no wrong than on those who have been deemed to have done wrong. Punishment only exists when there is power and control, footballers have the power and control in the sport at the moment. That's an excellent response Santy and I agree with much of it. Indeed I'm sure we're about to witness the inepitude of the FA in both cases, however if the CPS does prosecute Terry (as is increasingly looking likely) then I'm not so certain (well I hope anyway) that's it's going to be such a walk in the park for him, regardless of his status. With someone like Terry, who is always going to be rich no matter how much you fine him, isn't the most effective punishment likely to be him being exposed, categorically, as a racist and a liar? Regardless of the rights and wrongs of what he said, and irrespective of whether everyone finds it as offensive as I do, if he's proven guilty of saying it he's also a liar and a hypocrite for pretending that he didn't. To forever be thought of as a racist and a liar by every man and woman on the street would be a fairly comprehensive punishment of sorts.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Nov 19, 2011 0:40:34 GMT
That's an excellent response Santy and I agree with much of it. Indeed I'm sure we're about to witness the inepitude of the FA in both cases, however if the CPS does prosecute Terry (as is increasingly looking likely) then I'm not so certain (well I hope anyway) that's it's going to be such a walk in the park for him, regardless of his status. With someone like Terry, who is always going to be rich no matter how much you fine him, isn't the most effective punishment likely to be him being exposed, categorically, as a racist and a liar? Regardless of the rights and wrongs of what he said, and irrespective of whether everyone finds it as offensive as I do, if he's proven guilty of saying it he's also a liar and a hypocrite for pretending that he didn't. To forever be thought of as a racist and a liar by every man and woman on the street would be a fairly comprehensive punishment of sorts. Yep he should be shamed. And I also hope this results in the end of his England career cos how could he play alongside Rio and for that matter, any other england play who is disgusted by him.
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Post by onionman on Nov 19, 2011 0:48:54 GMT
With someone like Terry, who is always going to be rich no matter how much you fine him, isn't the most effective punishment likely to be him being exposed, categorically, as a racist and a liar? Regardless of the rights and wrongs of what he said, and irrespective of whether everyone finds it as offensive as I do, if he's proven guilty of saying it he's also a liar and a hypocrite for pretending that he didn't. To forever be thought of as a racist and a liar by every man and woman on the street would be a fairly comprehensive punishment of sorts. Yep he should be shamed. And I also hope this results in the end of his England career cos how could he play alongside Rio and for that matter, any other england play who is disgusted by him. It may turn out he doesn't need to be officially banned from the England team. Capello may decide it's best all round not to pick him again, especially as he's not as good as he was anyway.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 19, 2011 0:54:57 GMT
That's an excellent response Santy and I agree with much of it. Indeed I'm sure we're about to witness the inepitude of the FA in both cases, however if the CPS does prosecute Terry (as is increasingly looking likely) then I'm not so certain (well I hope anyway) that's it's going to be such a walk in the park for him, regardless of his status. With someone like Terry, who is always going to be rich no matter how much you fine him, isn't the most effective punishment likely to be him being exposed, categorically, as a racist and a liar? Regardless of the rights and wrongs of what he said, and irrespective of whether everyone finds it as offensive as I do, if he's proven guilty of saying it he's also a liar and a hypocrite for pretending that he didn't. To forever be thought of as a racist and a liar by every man and woman on the street would be a fairly comprehensive punishment of sorts. For sure but I'd like to hope that we're all equal in the eyes of the law. There are numerous precendents that have already been set for the exact same crime. If you or I can be banned from entering a football stadium for several years for making a racist comment, then why should it be any different for John Terry?
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Post by onionman on Nov 19, 2011 3:31:49 GMT
With someone like Terry, who is always going to be rich no matter how much you fine him, isn't the most effective punishment likely to be him being exposed, categorically, as a racist and a liar? Regardless of the rights and wrongs of what he said, and irrespective of whether everyone finds it as offensive as I do, if he's proven guilty of saying it he's also a liar and a hypocrite for pretending that he didn't. To forever be thought of as a racist and a liar by every man and woman on the street would be a fairly comprehensive punishment of sorts. For sure but I'd like to hope that we're all equal in the eyes of the law. There are numerous precendents that have already been set for the exact same crime. If you or I can be banned from entering a football stadium for several years for making a racist comment, then why should it be any different for John Terry? Yes, I'd like to see him face the same punishment as a fan. But I don't think it's quite that simple, because a season-long ban for a player is a more draconian punishment than a season-long ban for a fan. A footballer facing such a ban could see his career destroyed; a fan would just have to find something else to do on his Saturday afternoons. I'm not trying to defend Terry of course, or put forward a case for him getting off lightly.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 19, 2011 8:33:05 GMT
It is absolutely clear as day what John Terry called Anton Ferdinand Potterlog. His words are beyond debate and are clear for all to see.
Terry is a vile individual who thinks he is beyond reproach and totally untouchable. In this instance, it should be shown to him that he isn't.
Rio Ferdinand could have twitted immediately on seeing the incident, just as he has with Poyet and Blatter but didn't.
Paul Elliot's response was even worse and even more detrimental to the issue of racism in football. Defending Blatter, he merely proved to be as self serving as any mainstream politician.
Dion Dublin's response was the best I've heard and he was dead right. Pity Mr Terry couldn't say such words to someone like Dion Dublin.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 19, 2011 8:34:07 GMT
Wat did paul Elliot say??
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 19, 2011 10:40:41 GMT
For sure but I'd like to hope that we're all equal in the eyes of the law. There are numerous precendents that have already been set for the exact same crime. If you or I can be banned from entering a football stadium for several years for making a racist comment, then why should it be any different for John Terry? Yes, I'd like to see him face the same punishment as a fan. But I don't think it's quite that simple, because a season-long ban for a player is a more draconian punishment than a season-long ban for a fan. A footballer facing such a ban could see his career destroyed; a fan would just have to find something else to do on his Saturday afternoons. I'm not trying to defend Terry of course, or put forward a case for him getting off lightly. I'm sorry but we can't live in a society where a persons punishment for a crime differs to another person because of the job they do. If I get arrested by the old bill for having a gram of coke in my pocket or for stealing a car tonight, then I'll (quite righly) get the same punishment that a footballer would, how that punishment then impacts on our individual lives as a whole is something else entirely. We should all be treated EQUAL in the eyes of the law and that includes when we've been caught being racist.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Nov 19, 2011 11:03:32 GMT
Some great replies on here but I think the main point of the thread has been missed. How can someone that says something out of line to another player get a stiffer punishment than someone who puts in a nasty tackle that could end a fellow players career? Obviously neither is right but the latter has far worse consequences on the person on the receiving end.
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Post by spongebob on Nov 19, 2011 11:04:09 GMT
People are being over sensitive about this crap....I get insulted every day in my job and I am not earning £50k a week. I just laugh it off and get on with it...its part of life. If someone from the West Country called me a stupid Nothern Git...should I take offence?....thats my home you are talking about Denzel!!!! am I offended?? No I am not!! When I get called a knock kneed pasty faced numpty by my darker complexioned work colleagues ...should I go running to the police demanding justice for the pasty race...FFS..should I play the racism card!! Has anyone ever played COD or Halo or whatever online??? You ever joined a game where there is a clan of black lads playing?? usually Americans...the language they use to EACH OTHER is unbelievable...but if I use the same language I could be arrested. Apologising for slavery....Oh F*ck off! If that is the case I want an apology from the French for invading and taking over our country. I want an apology from the Danes for raiding our shores with their stupid dragon boats and horny helmets (oops racist) I want an apology from the Scots, especially Mel Gibson for sacking York...and I want an apology from the Italians for three hundred years of Roman occupation which totally screwed up our way of life...I actually Like the idea of shitting in bushes thank you very much!!!
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 19, 2011 11:21:05 GMT
Some great replies on here but I think the main point of the thread has been missed. How can someone that says something out of line to another player get a stiffer punishment than someone who puts in a nasty tackle that could end a fellow players career? Obviously neither is right but the latter has far worse consequences on the person on the receiving end. If unchallenged, racism can spread like a cancer, not only throughout the game, but far beyond that. As long as there are people ignorant enough to peddle racist ideologies then there will always be a risk of racism spreading and ruining peoples lives. I think this is about sending out a message:- this is unacceptable behaviour, not only on the football pitch but also in everyday life. It can not and will not be tolerated under any circumstances, as to do so allows it to grow and spread. Deliberately injuring a player is unacceptable as well, but doesn't have the same widespread effect that racism creeping back into football could have. Alright, one footballer calling another a "black cunt" isn't going to spark off a wave of genocidal ethnic cleansing in Britain, but if one person gets away with it, then other scumbags will see no reason not to say this sort of shit as well. How long is it then before we're hearing monkey noises again from the terraces? If guilty, I think Terry has to be seriously punished. I think a lifetime ban is draconian, but a ban of a few months wouldn't be inappropriate in my opinion. A grovelling public apology and the humiliation that would follow would send out an appropriate message.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 19, 2011 11:32:25 GMT
Joe...In the immediate aftermath of Blatter's comments, 5 Live spoke to Paul Elliot who has some role with the FA but who predominantly is at the forefront of the "kick it out campaign".
Elliot said that Blatter was misunderstood, was pleased to hear that an additional statement had been made and that Blatter was not racist due to the work that he had done in Africa.
I listened in complete and utter amazement at what I was hearing and I was as disgusted by his reaction as I was with the comments that were made by Blatter.
I share many of the sentiments expressed by Trouserdog, but I don't think that a lifetime ban would be draconian.
As for the question either above or on the other thread "what if it was Wilko who said what Terry did" then my reaction would be the same. Fortunately for us, I don't think we have such vile players in our ranks and if we did, I'm pretty sure that our club in general, and I include bulk of supporters in that, and our manager specifically, would make the offending player pay the ulitmate penalty.
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