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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 1, 2011 9:19:08 GMT
I am told that Isreal is an absolutely beautiful country and clearly Macaabi is very proud of where he comes from.
I can't wait to go over there and see the country for myself.
I know it is all in jest and football banter, but for European fixtures, this is very much a song that should be avoided as should the insane Engerland chants.
We are supporting Stoke City, not England, and we are representing Stoke-on-Trent, not England.
For me, we should show some respect to the countries that we are visiting and avoid such derogatory chanting which for many of our European foes, won't be taken in the same manner in which it is by our British opposition.
Football is more important than any politics and as mentioned elsewhere above, this is a period in our club where football will unify people and create friendships far and wide.
Macaabi is a welcome visitor to our board and your ramblings do little to make him feel as welcome as he should be.
I rarely treat the internet and many of the views expressed seriously, but this is something that I do feel quite strongly about personally.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 1, 2011 9:56:13 GMT
I was being light hearted when I started this.
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Post by RAF on Oct 1, 2011 9:57:19 GMT
I was being light hearted when I started this. Somebody should have told you what would happen! H
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Post by stokemaccabi on Oct 1, 2011 11:04:06 GMT
So what time's the kick-off against Maccabi?? In Israel time its 21:05 but im not sure because Israel clock goes backwards tomarrow, a little bit before all the world, so im exactly sure, i believe its in 20:05 if England doesnt move the clock backwards till then.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Oct 1, 2011 11:44:30 GMT
$200 mill in aid earmarked by Obama for Palestine vetoed by Congress because the Palestinians in the form of the moderate Mahmood Abbass have applied to join the UN. Another disgrace.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Oct 1, 2011 13:01:47 GMT
waitingforwaddo, i was wandering if your such a brave guy behind the keybored aswell, and if you are, you probably got no problem to tell me all those things in the face, your a funny hilarious internet guy, but behind the keybored your probably nothing.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 1, 2011 13:10:10 GMT
$200 mill in aid earmarked by Obama for Palestine vetoed by Congress because the Palestinians in the form of the moderate Mahmood Abbass have applied to join the UN. Another disgrace. Give it a rest now waddo, you're in danger of becoming a prick
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 1, 2011 13:12:00 GMT
$200 mill in aid earmarked by Obama for Palestine vetoed by Congress because the Palestinians in the form of the moderate Mahmood Abbass have applied to join the UN. Another disgrace. FFS........are you STILL on here picking at scabs!!?? Give it a f*cking rest, will you??
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 1, 2011 13:13:15 GMT
I was being light hearted when I started this. You might have got away with it if the subject matter wasn't so serious!!
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 1, 2011 13:14:33 GMT
So what time's the kick-off against Maccabi?? In Israel time its 21:05 but im not sure because Israel clock goes backwards tomarrow, a little bit before all the world, so im exactly sure, i believe its in 20:05 if England doesnt move the clock backwards till then. We add an hour ON in Oz overnight (tonight)......this is getting complicated!! ;D
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Oct 1, 2011 13:37:10 GMT
Why is that Ramblers. It's all over the papers this morning. Is it best for people not to know these things then?
It's not me saying it Maccabi. These are quotes mainly from YOUR people.
Sounds like you'd prefer the world not to know the truth?
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 1, 2011 13:46:38 GMT
Why is that Ramblers. It's all over the papers this morning. Is it best for people not to know these things then? It's not me saying it Maccabi. These are quotes mainly from YOUR people. Sounds like you'd prefer the world not to know the truth? It's not just me who thinks you should give a rest, there's other people saying it too. Just leave the lad alone anyone would think he is Golda Meir the way you're going on at him.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Oct 1, 2011 14:09:31 GMT
Why is that Ramblers. It's all over the papers this morning. Is it best for people not to know these things then? It's not me saying it Maccabi. These are quotes mainly from YOUR people. Sounds like you'd prefer the world not to know the truth? Truth? truth is the last thing comes out of your talks, you keep talking bullshit without understanding the situation for real. if you had any idea what actually happen here, Oh wait, you got no idea, have u ever been to Israel? No... you just keep talking bullshit, lies, and more. Israel biggest Enemys aint Iran, Israel biggest enemys are ppl like you - who keep lieing about israel, and give us a realy bad reputition with horrible lies. but again, you didnt answer my question, whats the chances we can meet and talk when i get to stoke ? i dont like ppl who talk bout this things behind the keybored.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Oct 1, 2011 14:17:32 GMT
Ah...the Israeli answer to any opposing point of view.....aggression. Why not pick a fight with Moshe Dayan instead? Or Ben Gurion? Or Gandhi? It's them sayiing these things, not me.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 1, 2011 14:29:54 GMT
waddo, will your views on Israel mean that you will not go the any of the games out of protest? Please fella give the Israel beliefs a rest now ...you have made your points but out of the common ground that is football & Europa league ease up on Maccabi and the other visitors using our Forum purely on a football basis.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 1, 2011 14:34:16 GMT
waddo, will your views on Israel mean that you will not go the any of the games out of protest? Please fella give the Israel beliefs a rest now ...you have made your points but out of the common ground that is football & Europa league ease up on Maccabi and the other visitors using our Forum purely on a football basis. Waddo......some of us have asked nicely..............FFS, wind your f*ckin' neck in will you!!??
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Post by santy on Oct 1, 2011 15:00:41 GMT
There's only one thing in life that truly matters, you can only have what you can hold. If we could have held onto our Empire and still been reaping the benefits we would have, the reason we still have the falklands is because we can hold onto it. The reason Alaska is with the Americans and not Russians is because they can hold onto it.
You can't take a country to court saying they're illegally squatting on your land, the life each and every one of us enjoys today in this country is built on the back of slave trading, child labour, deathly work conditions, stealing, murder, pillaging and taking what we want from those who couldn't stop us.
The reasons why we don't speak German (world wars), or French (napoleonic wars) or Spanish (armada) as our primary language is because it was held in the name of Britain. In this time we did many things ranging from burning men alive to bombing the towns of innocent citizens.
Keeping what you have, or taking what you want isn't pretty. But right and wrong is just perspective.
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Post by chorleystoke on Oct 1, 2011 18:53:24 GMT
Politics and religion stay clear - nothing but trouble Football - is the only way forward for this world Told you, nothing but trouble, especially after a few pints
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Post by Roy Cropper on Oct 1, 2011 18:57:53 GMT
I wouldn't set foot in the place given what they've done to the Palestinians for the past 60 years. We've hardly got a clean history have we.
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Post by ange1 on Oct 1, 2011 19:15:23 GMT
I have been to Israel many times and it's a great country with great people who are used to confronting those whom do not like them (to put it mildly). We are supporting our football team and as such are ambassadors for our City (or not) So far, we have been on this European tour and acquitted ourselves well. I hope we don't spoil it in Israel. If you fancy "having a go" in jest or otherwise, you may be met with a less than cheerful response from Israeli soldiers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 19:26:28 GMT
There's no denying it, WFW knows how to use Google. He'll be frantically googling "Clever quotes about the Israel/Palestine situation" as I type for his next retort.
Change the fucking record you absolute dullard................
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 0:07:22 GMT
I agree with Davejohnno's post earlier. I really don't like insulting other nations and cultures just for the heck of it. Thought the "Turkey's a shit hole" chants were more than a bit embarrassing - though to be honest, you're best avoiding the public loos there if you want to stay healthy. When we slag off Liverpool or Manchester, the opposition know it's banter and they slag us off the same way. When we insult another nation in this way, it's genuinely disrespectful. If you're not bothered about that, then at least realise that it will do nothing but fire up the opposition. Why would you want to do that?
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 2, 2011 2:19:53 GMT
I agree with Davejohnno's post earlier. I really don't like insulting other nations and cultures just for the heck of it. Thought the "Turkey's a shit hole" chants were more than a bit embarrassing - though to be honest, you're best avoiding the public loos there if you want to stay healthy. When we slag off Liverpool or Manchester, the opposition know it's banter and they slag us off the same way. When we insult another nation in this way, it's genuinely disrespectful.If you're not bothered about that, then at least realise that it will do nothing but fire up the opposition. Why would you want to do that? Banter is fine......we give it and we take it........forget this other f*ckin' rubbish.........PLEASE!!!!
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Post by coachragnar on Oct 2, 2011 3:25:47 GMT
This is one of those occasions where its best to check your politics at the door and just enjoy the footy.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Oct 2, 2011 4:33:45 GMT
Basically, I'd rather go Rhyl. The trouble is that morality only rears its head where there's also self interest at stake as in Libya or Iraq. The Israelis are allowed to flout every law of decent human behaviour as well as ignoring endless UN security council resolutions because, as Truman said, of the massive Zionist lobby in the States. Great. Waddo thinks he's Mel Gibson now.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Oct 2, 2011 4:36:15 GMT
Lodge...Wand......are you a MASON by any chance?.........Just a thought......your views do appear to be......ahem......rather to the....ahem.....right of centre.......... That's a bit rich coming from Staffs answer to Mel Gibson.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 2, 2011 5:28:07 GMT
Lodge...Wand......are you a MASON by any chance?.........Just a thought......your views do appear to be......ahem......rather to the....ahem.....right of centre.......... That's a bit rich coming from Staffs answer to Mel Gibson. ;D ;D ;D Mel 'dribbler' Gibson..........F*ckin' classic, that!! Talk about a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock!!
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